Justice John Roberts Gives Trump the Middle Finger - Saving the USA Will Not Involve SCOTUS.

The problem is every step of the system is sabotaged, primaries are even sabotaged, look at Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul on both sides of the parties.

a reply to: menehune

Okay.

Used as a political phrase though, that is where it came from. Steve Bannon was well aware even if Trump was not.

Don't bother to suggest that many white supremacists aren't ardent Trump supporters. There's a reason for that.

(Also, because ATS, I want to clarify that I am not suggesting, implying, or hinting that all Trump supporters are white supremacists.)

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
The problem is every step of the system is sabotaged, primaries are even sabotaged, look at Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul on both sides of the parties.

The system as such is the two-party system which is functionally one party.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

This is the source of the other great Trump campaign phrase ... it just happened to be the motto of the KKK in the early 20th century.

So do you think Trump is racist and pulled that from some archaic KKK slogan for a reason? Or maybe he just believes America has been screwing themselves over for a very long time. Nazis could have chanted "peace and love" while killing Jews and that wouldn't have made those three words forever bad/wrong to use again. How about MAGA...seems that was the bigger one attacked. America First came about when Trump wanted to redo international agreements were we were taking it in the shorts, so hard to see a racist agenda there...lol

a reply to: Xtrozero

I think that "America First" is the well-established motto of the early 20th century KKK. I think Steve Bannon was well aware of that. As I stated.


PS: Trump used the phrase "America First" in his Inaugural Address. He wasn't negotiating trade contracts then. But, you do you.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Xtrozero

I think that "America First" is the well-established motto of the early 20th century KKK. I think Steve Bannon was well aware of that. As I stated.


PS: Trump used the phrase "America First" in his Inaugural Address. He wasn't negotiating trade contracts then. But, you do you.

You didn't answer my question, so I guess you do you...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Racism is an overused excuse in this country.

So is the claim that there is no racism in this country.

It's two competing scenarios to hook our attention from the same source: the corporate media.

Steve Bannon's connection to the white supremacist movement is not exactly a secret.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Racism is an overused excuse in this country.

So is the claim that there is no racism in this country.

It's two competing scenarios to hook our attention from the same source: the corporate media.

Steve Bannon's connection to the white supremacist movement is not exactly a secret.

I think it is...IF he is connected...He was also a film producer with the likes of Sean Penn, so who the hell knows what he is. His connection to Trump was rather limited to say the least. He came on board his campaign with less than 3 month remaining as Breitbart was pretty influential back in 2015, and he lasted for about 7 months at which point Trump fired him because in the end Bannon is really a loose cannon. I personally feel Bannon wants to destroy the Republican party more than help it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I personally feel Bannon wants to destroy the Republican party more than help it.

I think he's pretty much succeeded.

a reply to: Bunch

It's been a minute, admittedly, but at one point, the president told SecDef to go break things and kill people, and where, then he would tell someone in the JCS office, and it filtered down to the people that actually broke things and killed people. I wouldn't be surprised if it's changed, because it was unwieldy as hell, and everyone got involved.

a reply to: carewemust

Saving America must now be accomplished via POLITICAL (VP Mike Pence), or MILITARY (Seizing of voting machines) means.

ummm....I was interested until I saw "Fox News".

The only "military" assistance (means) will be in preventing some sort of inane, violent activity from those who refuse to lose.

a reply to: carewemust

Saving America must now be accomplished via POLITICAL (VP Mike Pence),

....by invoking the 25th amendment right now. Which he could do and it would be instrumental in saving America right now...

or MILITARY means.

The military is not going to respond to Trump's demands.

You realize that, right?
Would you like some sources to check regarding that?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Don't bother to suggest that many white supremacists aren't ardent Trump supporters. There's a reason for that.

(Also, because ATS, I want to clarify that I am not suggesting, implying, or hinting that all Trump supporters are white supremacists.)

I think this is where the left narrative starting 2012 created this mess. The issue is that what we would call white supremacists is a very small and dying group of people. They are typically low income whites that want to blame others for their own failures. When we look at Charlottesville that keeps being brought up we need to remember that this was white supremacist factions from all over America and they could hardly muster 100 people for it.

There is statically speaking so few of them that they are non-significant in anything, but boy has the left breathed life into something long dead. They will still remain non-significant in the future even thought the left will most likely continue to use them as some bogyman...

originally posted by: VeeTNA

....by invoking the 25th amendment right now. Which he could do and it would be instrumental in saving America right now...

Save America from what? Trump will be on a golf course come Feb, so what exactly is it that needs saving? lol
Trump is out and the left's narrative of evil dictator Trump is out too, you all will need to find a new OMB. How Trump treats Biden is nothing new...Obama didn't give him 2 minutes in transition and the Clintons actually vandalized crap on their way out not giving Bush even 1 minute, so what is new their too?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I honestly don't get this monolithic "left and right" you talk about.

White Supremacists are right. You are center-right. You are not a white supremacist, but if I took your tactic "the right" would refer to both you and the Nazis, and that's not fair or correct (and I know it's been done to you, hell, I may've even done it.)

When you use the term "the left" I find it equally over-generalized.

That said, we disagree on the numbers of actual white supremacist groups in this county.

originally posted by: Ahabstar
Trump’s fatal flaw was not using the Supermajority to impeach Roberts at the beginning of his presidency. The grounds being the allowing of a non-enumerated power of compelled purchases of insurance policies. Just dropping that on the table would have woke both the House and Senate up when it came time to overturn Obamacare.

Would have been four justices replaced and the removal of a traitor to the American people that reduced them from citizens to subjects of the US. Impeachment would have been the compromise because honestly, he deserved execution by public hanging.

It’s a good thought however with the deep state RINOs there was never a voting super majority

Trump never had 2/3 of the Senate that would gone along with conviction and removal of Roberts. Mostly because Roberts hasn't met any of the criteria for impeachment.

It is good to see, however, that some are willing to use the same tactics they damn their enemies using.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

That said, we disagree on the numbers of actual white supremacist groups in this county.

Much of what would be considered White supremacist groups like Aryan Nations are just gang criminals where much of their numbers come from being in prison. It would be like calling the Crips or Bloods alt Left or Black supremacist... There is about tenth or less of these White gang members compared minority gang members active... They all are bad in any case.

Racism as a whole just doesn't work...The US is very diversified. I look at my neighborhood and it is super mixed with a bunch of mix families too including mine as my wife was a immigrant minority 22 years ago. I got gay couples, mixed couples, immigrant families, all races and I live near Portland that is predominantly White. We are all a long way from even the 90s much less the 60s...

The direction of the liberals starting in 2012 changed all that as a narrative, sorry to say.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm born and raised and currently living in Atlanta.

I've known as many Black folks as White folks.

That's one of the reasons why I cringe and then am angered when I hear folks talk about Black Americans as if all of them are characters in a rap song or 70s sitcom.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
but if I took your tactic "the right" would refer to both you and the Nazis, and that's not fair or correct (and I know it's been done to you, hell, I may've even done it.)

When you use the term "the left" I find it equally over-generalized.

IDK who is generalizing systematic racism? Who are social justice warriors, WOKEness, virtual signaling, rioting, protesting rather extreme ideals, gaslighting, history revisionist, DOXing, ANTIFA, BLM, major socialism, cancel culture in destroying people with different opinions. So on and so forth

No, you are not this as many democrats are also not this, but there are numbers here and when the number of people hit a certain level that alone makes it all a big concern. Same is like with ISIS, you don't say 3 billion Muslins are radicals willing to kill you, but even if a few million...very small percentage of the whole, were ISIS it is a BIG world problem. Right now there are enough radical left that make it a big problem in America. Doesn't help we vote them into office too...lol

I don't see this with what we would call the radical right, do you? And if you do what are they doing compared to what I listed above with the radical left?