Justice John Roberts Gives Trump the Middle Finger - Saving the USA Will Not Involve SCOTUS.

a reply to: St Udio

I will not dispute any of that for it would be silly to do so especially here on a conspiracy site.

Yes, Paperclip. The exact balance of Western Industrialists and hold over Reichists is one of questionable debates. Asking me, I would say that they are all spawned by the same motivations and influences brought about by the imbalances of wealth and centralization of power brought on by industrialism and the economic system that allowed it to flourish.

How much of all of this is due to that centralized power structure and how much is do to simple unconscious adherence to the accepted principles of present economics is a major question for me. I don't know.

As for globalism, well that too is a question for me. I can see plenty of indications that globalism has been the direction of human history from the advancing of tribes to city states to regional kingdoms to continental empire and onward. For me, globalism is a foregone conclusion. Who is in control of it is one more ''up for debate'' question for discussion.

PS. Every time is see your avatar it see myself or my brother from the bridge of the nose up.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: carewemust

Regarding John Roberts and others, take no overt actions against them unless President Trump gives the order.

OH! P)LEASE!
(As my wife's little girl once screamed at both of us when she wanted
to go to the miniature golf and arcade).

If I make it back I should have lots pics to upload if their not boring,

It's not going to come to that. We will not have to sacrifice ourselves, taking out evil. Not THIS election cycle anyway.

The latest Rasmussen survey says almost half of the country feels President Trump is being cheated out of his rightful victory.

Source: townhall.com...


ALSO, those who are planning, and those of us who are "following" the planners actions, understand why the White House told all staff and employees to cancel their plans for moving out, and for seeking new jobs next month.

WH staff & employees told to cancel departure plans: www.thegatewaypundit.com...

Because the activities/actions pointing to President Trump being re-elected are not being broadcast by 98% of the organized news media, most Americans will be totally surprised. Trump supporters will be elated. Anti-Trumpers will be angry at Biden/Dems/China for not planning their election steal well enough.

a reply to: carewemust

Most voters say this year’s unprecedented level of mail-in voting was largely successful and continue to think President Trump should concede the presidential race. Republicans, however, strongly believe Democrats are likely to have stolen the election.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters think mail-in voting worked well for the most part. Thirty-nine percent (39%) disagree and say it led to unprecedented voter fraud in this election.

Rasmussen Reports

Once again, the truth is so easily found. Most Americans believe that mail-in voting worked well and that Trump lost. Even according to Rasmussen, which always skews in the Republicans favor.

Hey, since we're suddenly accepting polls again ... Why? Would you believe it has to do with political party affiliiation?

Altogether, 73% of those polled agreed that Biden won the election while 5% thought Trump won. But when asked specifically whether Biden had “rightfully won,” Republicans showed they were suspicious about how Biden’s victory was obtained.

Fifty-two percent of Republicans said that Trump “rightfully won,” while only 29% said that Biden had rightfully won.

Half of Republicans say Biden won because of a 'rigged' election: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Certainly polling shows Republicans are skeptical about the election results, and at a level that seems startling. A Nov. 13-17 Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 68 percent of Republicans (+/-5) say that the 2020 presidential election was rigged. A Monmouth poll carried out between Nov. 12 and Nov. 16 finds that 61 percent of Republicans (+/-3.5) are “not at all confident” that the election was fair and accurate.

But none of this is unique to 2020. Many members of the losing party have questioned the outcome of earlier elections, too. That’s what my research team found after the 2012 election.

Many Republicans believe the election was fixed. But that’s what losing partisans often think. WaPo

Here's the percentage that matters:

Joe Biden won the Electoral College with 306 or 57% of the votes.

The States have spoken.

Biden won the popular vote by 8 + million votes.

The People have spoken.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Does roberts know how this works if the senate and house cannot make a decision? its not up to him to refuse it if it comes down to it. Anyway we just have to cheat harder next time.

originally posted by: Phage

Pence does not have the power to dispute the electoral vote.

And the military has no interest in a coup. Nor does it have the authority to seize anything.

But the President still has the legal option of enforcing Martial Law. You want to get away with stealing the elections so your draconian socialist leaders can transform this nation into another socialist hell hole in which political opponents are taken to kangaroo courts to be imprisoned just for daring be your political opponents?... Then President Trump should enforce Martial Law and enforce a new election without all the fraud your side committed. republican/independent observers should have been allowed to watch the counting of ballots, and the counting of ballots should have stopped after November 3rd AS THE LAW states it must be done...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Here's the percentage that matters:

Joe Biden won the Electoral College with 306 or 57% of the votes.

The States have spoken.

Biden won the popular vote by 8 + million votes.

The People have spoken.

Your mumbling and forgetful candidate whom actually works for China and is getting paid by them, as the large majority of your socialist leaders are also paid by China, could not have gotten more votes than Obama, or even Clinton... And certainly he couldn't have gotten more votes than President Trump.

The law states all ballots, including mail in ballots must be counted by 8 pm on November 3rd... Every ballot after that deadline is illegal.

We are not going to allow socialist aholes like you to destroy the Republic so that you can have some inkling of control over people.

Those like you keep forgetting what is the law of the land in the U.S...

Article 4 - The States
Section 4 - Republican Government


The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

usconstitution.net...

You can stick your socialism where the sun don't shine, or move to China if you want. In the U.S. you will have over half the country taking up arms to stop you and your dreams of totalitarianism in the U.S.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I think you're confused. Trump is the one who has strong ties to China, has advanced the "One China" concept in exchange for trademarks, it's Trump's business that has a bank account in China and has paid more tax there than here.

Yeah, you guys jsut can't get over that more Americans voted and more Americans voted for Biden.

No law, anywhere states that all ballots must be counted by 8 pm on Election night. That is a pure crock of crap.

I'm not a socialist as anyone who's bothered to read my posts knows, but even if I were I'm still as American as you (assuming) I have the same rights as you, the same right to vote as you, etc. You and others key on the word "socialiist" like its illegal.

Surely you're not stupid enough to think that the reference to a republican form of government is referring to your party, are you? Surely not. We are a democratic republic which means simply that the people elect representatives but that the power remains with the peoplel (See Amendment X).

Nah. I'm good right here, with conservative fiscal beliefs, liberal social ones and believing (and understanding) our Constitution.

If any American takes up arms against any duly elected President they will be put down. You don't like Biden, fine. You don't like the fact that Trump got his ass handed to him at the polls, fine.

The sedition that you are advocating for is what will not be tolerated in the United States of America. Got it?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Here's the percentage that matters:

Joe Biden won the Electoral College with 306 or 57% of the votes.

The States have spoken.

Biden won the popular vote by 8 + million votes.

The People have spoken.

As it should be.

Trump had his suspicions the election would be rigged. He expressed those misgivings months before November 3d. He didn't do squat about it.

Election conceded.

I voted Trump as the lesser of two evils. In hindsight, I probably should have sat this one out. Trump could have done real harm to the country (and I suspected he might). We can tell by Biden's staff placements, he's going to continue the dismantlement of the country ... 0bama fashion. I don't feel bad about having thrown my vote to Trump a second time, only because it didn't matter.

Conservatives still have a limitless reservoir of liberal tears left over from the Clinton election effort.

Now ... if Biden can only hold out from dying like RBG. Camel-Allah as 47 ... oh noes!!

originally posted by: Telos
Yes, "our" boy lost with all the yard signs and giant rallies to a demented moron who couldn't get 10 people together, corrupt to the core, assisted by the corrupt media and giant tech.

Yup, that about sums it up, now comes the hard part for you, accepting that reality.

If you and others like you have no eyes to see, brain to understand or even worst, conscience to accept the biggest vote fraud in history...

No, there was no widespread fraud, your boy lost to a demented moron who couldn't get 10 people together, corrupt to the core, assisted by the corrupt media and giant tech like you said, now you have to accept that reality.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Nothing can match the ocean of leftist tears after Queen Hillary lost...lol We talking 4 years of 80 million crying 24/7...

These are just as delicious. Tears of two party political pain and suffering all taste the same to me.

originally posted by: yuppa
Does roberts know how this works if the senate and house cannot make a decision?

Make a decision on what? There are only one slate of Electors coming from each State, there's nothing to choose from and if you're referring to a member of the House and the Senate objecting to the Electors you need both chambers to vote it down. You think the Democrat run House is going to vote for not counting the votes?

It helps if you educate yourself on the process, read the actual legislation on the process instead of RWNJ sites that are looking for you to click on them for ad revenue.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I have read it. I suggest further reading if you are intrested too.

National Security Action Memoranda [NSAM]: NSAM 57, Responsibility for Paramilitary Operations

www.jfklibrary.org...

Allows the president to use the DOD to carry out military operations.

a reply to: Zaphod58

How about paramilitary ops.. The DOD?

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Gryphon66

I have read it. I suggest further reading if you are intrested too.

National Security Action Memoranda [NSAM]: NSAM 57, Responsibility for Paramilitary Operations

www.jfklibrary.org...

Allows the president to use the DOD to carry out military operations.

Is that the Insurrection Act?

I could swear it was called "The Insurrection Act" not "NSAM 57"

EDIT: I jest.

Here's the thing, the Insurrection Act does not supercede the Constitution. The Constitution specifies that the Electoral College shall meet and vote as their States inform them to do. All fifty States have laws in place for selecting the slates of Electors, the votes were certified by all 50 states, the EC met and voted, that will be confirmed by Congress on Jan. 6, and Biden will be inaugurated on Jan. 20.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

Saving America must now be accomplished via POLITICAL (VP Mike Pence), or MILITARY (Seizing of voting machines) means.

Pence does not have the power to dispute the electoral vote.

And the military has no interest in a coup. Nor does it have the authority to seize anything.

Pence is president of the Senate is he not..?

With two or more states sending alternate electors, Pence can void those states during the electoral college count.

So in a word... "He can do something"..!!

You should stick to science stuff and leave the politics to people who actually understand it..lol

originally posted by: Ironclad3000
With two or more states sending alternate electors, Pence can void those states during the electoral college count.

No States are sending alternate Electors.

a reply to: Ironclad3000

No, he can't.

The President of the Senate has a very specific Constitutional role iin the affirmation of the EC ... picking and choosing votes isn't it.

Something I do find interesting in all this ... is that the Constitution does specify that the VP is also President of the Senate. Those powers have been ceded to the President Pro Tem and the Majority Leader ... but they dont' have to be.

Harris could decide to fulfill her Constitutional role and preside over the Senate everyday, deciding what gets to the floor, voting in the case of a tie, etc.