COVID has killed 1 out of 1000 in the US

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: tanstaafl

It's all about you, isn't it?

-sigh-

No, it is about the truth.

Some posters on here are just plain unpleasant and make the whole experience of comng on here diststastful and a negative vibe.

Speak for yourself.

Still, Happy Christmas to you.

It is Merry christmas, but - ok, Merry (belated) Christmas to you too.

Please be more tolerant of others opinions

I'm very tolerant of others opinions.

What I'm not tolerant about is people voicing opinions that happen to be either demonstrably factually wrong, or unprovable, as if they were well established facts.

Yeah, that kind of annoys me, but I'll try to be more tactful in the future.

Happy New Year to you as well.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Rob808

Again, this is a lie that keeps being repeated. If your theory is true, the total number of deaths in 2020 would not be significantly higher.

So far the estimations are about a 15% increase in total deaths from the previous year, this is the highest increase per year since 1918, which had World War I and the Spanish Flu.

Your theory also does not explain why life expectancy has dropped by almost 3 years.

In short, what you wrote is an opinion void of facts. The information is available but many reject it because it goes against their confirmation bias.

False, I am correct in my statements. You are, actually just parroting fear porn that diddles you so. It’s dangerous and you need to stop.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

the flu jab does not prevent death.

Yes it does. Posting anti-science disinformation on the internet threatens lives.

during 2019-2020, flu vaccination prevented an estimated 7.5 million influenza illnesses, 3.7 million influenza-associated medical visits, 104,000 influenza-associated hospitalizations, and 6,300 influenza-associated deaths.

A 2017 study was the first of its kind to show that flu vaccination can significantly reduce a child’s risk of dying from flu.

A 2017 study showed that flu vaccination reduced deaths, intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, ICU length of stay, and overall duration of hospitalization among hospitalized flu patients.

www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: EvilAxis

... a novel virus considerably more lethal than most strains of flu,

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Sorry, this false claim is getting tired. It is false.

So which falsehood are we going with here? Flu is more lethal than Covid-19, but you don't need a vaccine for it because flu never kills?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

There is plenty of evidence that these insane lockdowns not only didn't help, they hurt.

Again to believe that you have to ignore data from countries around the world which track infection rates dropping dramatically when strict lockdowns were imposed and rising again when they were removed.

As I have said, a few countries which handled the pandemic well avoided the hurt of lockdowns altogether.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: Rob808

Again, this is a lie that keeps being repeated. If your theory is true, the total number of deaths in 2020 would not be significantly higher.

So far the estimations are about a 15% increase in total deaths from the previous year, this is the highest increase per year since 1918, which had World War I and the Spanish Flu.

Your theory also does not explain why life expectancy has dropped by almost 3 years.

In short, what you wrote is an opinion void of facts. The information is available but many reject it because it goes against their confirmation bias.

What is the societal ramification of a 15% increase in total deaths in 2020?

What is the societal ramification of life expectancy has dropped by almost 3 years?

With many elderly people being the victim of Covid-19; what will the likely excess deaths be in 2022, 23 and 24?

Why work with the faux “numbers” at all? What does it mean if you catch covid? Better than 99.5% chance for everyone of nothing but a few days bed rest.

a reply to: DanDanDat

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: PurpleFox
Why hasn't the total deaths in the US changed in comparison to 2019?

Asking for 320M+ friends.

Because that doesn't help spread fear. Now lock yourself down and wait for your government check like a good little sheep!

Surely this is the opposite of what they would do to spread fear? How are the death rates published being the same as last year (which they aren't, Dec isn't counted yet and it's over 400,000 excess deaths) help the agenda you believe exists?

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: PurpleFox
Why hasn't the total deaths in the US changed in comparison to 2019?

Asking for 320M+ friends.

Because that doesn't help spread fear. Now lock yourself down and wait for your government check like a good little sheep!

Surely this is the opposite of what they would do to spread fear? How are the death rates published being the same as last year (which they aren't, Dec isn't counted yet and it's over 400,000 excess deaths) help the agenda you believe exists?

If they ain’t published how do you have access to them? Meh just make some number up without source and demand we believe you, it’s been a tried and true strategy with covid up until now why change!

originally posted by: Rob808
Why work with the faux “numbers” at all? What does it mean if you catch covid? Better than 99.5% chance for everyone of nothing but a few days bed rest.

a reply to: DanDanDat

Perhaps the most relevant statistic is the chance you will take up a hospital bed if you get the virus.

Percentage of COVID-19 cases in the United States from February 12 to March 16, 2020 that resulted in hospitalization, by age group*

Just to quote the middle age range: 55 to 64 years is 20.5% - 30.1%

Statistics.com

Id go to the hospital too if I was worried I was sick and maybe dying (and we should all worry the next sniffle or cough). This is also the largest group with access to healthcare, im not surprised they go. They also go home, perhaps most meaningful to those who don’t view them as a statistic to prove a false political narrative.

You quoting only the first month of this data kind of fits with my point- you’re trying to prove it’s dangerous because other people were worried it might be dangerous. Let me guess, the numbers drop significantly after the month you’re citing too? You ever play telephone in kindergarten?
a reply to: EvilAxis

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Salander

Well, you can't fight fate.

In this instance though, you can keep yourself safer fairly easily:

1. Wear a mask when around others.
2. Avoid large crowds when possible.
3. Try to maintain 6-10 distance from others when possible.
4. Wash your hands regularly and use an alcohol based hand sanitizer when not.

Basic medical safety really. Nothing outragious at all.

Because I was raised in a medical and pharmaceutical atmosphere, I've been washing my hands and avoiding symptomatic individuals for my entire life.

The mask does nothing except display one's submission to illegitimate authority.

I was taught from a young age that when I'm sick, I stay home. I cover my coughs and sneezes.

The sickness can be severe or mild, like so many other things. Sympathies to all those who had it bad. I know many dozens who've had it, and it's evenly split between mild and severe symptoms.

The infection is real, the narrative is a scam.

CDC admits at least 96% of deaths attributed to Covid19 were deaths from other causes


It's One Big Lie BitChute

originally posted by: EvilAxis
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"the flu jab does not prevent death."

Yes it does. Posting anti-science disinformation on the internet threatens lives.

"during 2019-2020, flu vaccination prevented an estimated 7.5 million influenza illnesses, 3.7 million influenza-associated medical visits, 104,000 influenza-associated hospitalizations, and 6,300 influenza-associated deaths.

A 2017 study was the first of its kind to show that flu vaccination can significantly reduce a child’s risk of dying from flu.

A 2017 study showed that flu vaccination reduced deaths, intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, ICU length of stay, and overall duration of hospitalization among hospitalized flu patients."

[url=https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm#:~:text=Flu%20vaccination%20can%20keep%20you%20from%20getting%20sick%20with%20flu.&text=F or%20example%2C%20during%202019-2020,and%206%2C300%20influenza-associated%20deaths[/url]

Fixed your broken link, but...

Sorry, first, epidemiological studeies are mostly just guesswork and extremely flawed.

I mean, they state right there on your own linked page that:

"While determining how well a flu vaccine works is challenging, in general, recent studies have supported the conclusion that flu vaccination benefits public health, especially when the flu vaccine is well matched to circulating flu viruses.
In other words... they are very - and in my opinion intentionally - vague.

So. No, your 'studies' prove nothing except that there are far too many people making exorbitant salaries just so they can sit around and pontificate about their guesswork.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
"Sorry, this false claim (that COVID-19 is far more deadly than the flu) is getting tired. It is false."

So which falsehood are we going with here? Flu is more lethal than Covid-19, but you don't need a vaccine for it because flu never kills?

Since that isn't what I said... ?

originally posted by: tanstaafl
"There is plenty of evidence that these insane lockdowns not only didn't help, they hurt."

Again to believe that you have to ignore data from countries around the world which track infection rates dropping dramatically when strict lockdowns were imposed and rising again when they were removed.

You are confused. I didn't say they didn't work to actually temporarily stop the spread. I said they simply didn't work, PERIOD - and your response just proves my point.

Lockdown = lower cases.

Open up = more cases.

So, locking down is only a temporary reprieve. It (insane total lockdown) has NEVER been done in the known history of our world to fight something like this, and it is, quite simply, doomed to failure - unless your end goal is to destroy the worlds economy.

Is that your goal?

As I have said, a few countries which handled the pandemic well avoided the hurt of lockdowns altogether.

Yes, and they destroyed their economies, which will result in far more deaths and mental iless that just letting the virus run its course would have done.

Go away.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: tanstaafl

It's all about you, isn't it?

-sigh-

No, it is about the truth.

Some posters on here are just plain unpleasant and make the whole experience of comng on here diststastful and a negative vibe.

Speak for yourself.

Still, Happy Christmas to you.

It is Merry christmas, but - ok, Merry (belated) Christmas to you too.

Please be more tolerant of others opinions

I'm very tolerant of others opinions.

What I'm not tolerant about is people voicing opinions that happen to be either demonstrably factually wrong, or unprovable, as if they were well established facts.

Yeah, that kind of annoys me, but I'll try to be more tactful in the future.

Happy New Year to you as well.

Sorry, I did not realise that in some way I was obliged to say Merry Christmas instead of Happy Christmas. I must have missed your instructions.

Please feel free to give me further instructions on what to say and how I must think.

Happy Christmas. Oops, I did it again. Sorry.

a reply to: jrod

Your being a fool if you believe 1 out of 1000 have died from the flu and covid put together with HIV and Cancer lol.

I had horrible stomach issue that put me in the hospital. Our largest and newest hospital that is everyone's first choice in our area now. That was in September, after recovering from what felt like certain death and talking with more than a few doctors and many nurses there, they still had not had one confirmed case of Covid since it all began !!!!!!!

NOT ONE. This is a big hospital not some small town go in and pray you survive public hospital.

I am not saying Covid is not real but its not nearly what they are making it out to be. Not even close.

originally posted by: Kenzo

CDC admits at least 96% of deaths attributed to Covid19 were deaths from other causes


It's One Big Lie BitChute

SSSSHHHHH Dont say that peoples heads will explode but deny evidence slapping them in the face like the fact, You only hear so and so had it and they laughed at the severity of it.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: jrod

In The U.K. more people have did from Covid in 10 months, than the number of civilians killed in 6 years of WW II.

Some 40 million civilians died as a result of WW2. About 65,000 due to covid.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: jrod

In The U.K. more people have did from Covid in 10 months, than the number of civilians killed in 6 years of WW II.

Some 40 million civilians died as a result of WW2. About 65,000 due to covid.

Not in UK they didn't.

a reply to: whosWatchingyou

injuryfacts.nsc.org... by the looks of it, you're more likely to die from many other things before dying OF*/With* Covid

This is excellent info to have, you have wisely pointed out how the OP's hysteria is completely not based in reality and simply a symptom of fear and emotion overtaking logical thinking.

It is extraordinarily dangerous for this to be occurring and the ramifications of this induced fear is leading to serious problems. People really need to wake up and shut off the fear programming.

do me a favor and tell Covid to get to the back of the line. I still have to worry about having a heart attack from the burger I just had, cancer from the diet coke i drank to wash it down, the accident I got in on the way to pick up the burger, COPD from waiting in line and breathing exhaust, don't forget the stroke I had from sitting in a long ass line..... and then the al's......what was I saying? OH YEAH, no cutsies! no backsies!

The reaction to covid is adding to the trends it is diligently trying to beat out!

It hasn't killed me yet. I got pneumonia in June somehow but no Covid. Maybe next year.

originally posted by: DanDanDat

So far the estimations are about a 15% increase in total deaths from the previous year, this is the highest increase per year since 1918, which had World War I and the Spanish Flu.

Your theory also does not explain why life expectancy has dropped by almost 3 years.

Actually WWII had about a 3 year reduction with Spanish Flu about a 12 year reduction. but what does that really mean? I posted this before and there has been an increase in deaths across the board with pneumonia at 11% increase. Pneumonia infection is basically what people are dying from with COVID due to already weakened immune system.



The Spanish Flu was crazy worst since it attacked children more than adults and that huge loss of life greatly decreased life expectancy overall. COVID affects the old and ill mostly, so people already close to dying with weakened immune systems have been accelerated to their end with COVID. This is why deaths over 70+ are not that much higher than the norm as many would have died with or without COVID in 2020. The greatest age group death increase is 25 to 44 and that is not from COVID, so what is causing that?

What is the societal ramification of a 15% increase in total deaths in 2020?

How much of that 15% is directly related to COVID as you look at my chart, 3% maybe? We also F'ed up along the way as COVID has a higher R factor of 3 times that of the typical flu as it can have about double the infection period. We lost about 50k from Governors making bad decisions in care facilities and we lost 100k or many more from medical procedures in the beginning that made it worst and not better on people. Ventilators turned out to be a death sentence for 90%+ put on one while just keeping the patent on their stomach and other technics was found to keep people off the ventilator and survive. So today it is about an 80% increase in survival rate compared to 8 months ago.

I'm not complaining as this was a black swan event, so everyone was learning along the way. 2021 rolls around and we are much better off and closer to herd immunity with either getting it or vaccine.

You are also not considering other massive societal ramifications with the lock downs, schools closed etc...ALL that is in your face for 330 million Americans... I personally know no one who has died from COVID or even were in the Hospital, but I know dozens of people hit hard with their businesses closed or jobs lost and they are in dire situations as we made the cure worst than the disease.

COVID is serious I agree, but it is no where near what the experts initially thought, but we are still acting like its a 3 to 5% population killer and the reality is it is about 2.5 times that of the normal flu, and now pretty damn close to equal as we are not having the same missteps as we did in the beginning that cost a lot of lives.