Landlords Sue to Stop Eviction Ban

Me and the wife made the decision when we moved for work to get our house in Oklahoma Section 8 approved, I was very cautious about that but thank god she talked me into it.

that money from the state is ALL we have gotten from our renter since this mess started, we would be out on the street if we didnt have that to cover the majority of the house payment.

What if all the Americans who can't pay rent where sent to one of China's stack and pack Ghost Cities?



That would explain the Deagel population crash in the USA

a reply to: ketsuko
I could never be a land lord. Buying a property to rent to another knowing that in relative likelihood that I would have to face tenants who might not be able on the turn of fortune to pay their rent so I could then turn around and pay the bankers. It's a vicious circle from my point of view.

When I was young an freshly married with a couple of kids I rented a nice enough apartment and for a couple of years it was ok and within our budget. But then the owners sold and immediately the rent went up by a hundred bucks a month. Not much right now but back in the mid 70s it was huge. The new owners needed to raise the rents to pay for the loan they took out to buy the place. We had to move cuz that hundred bucks was over our heads. I figured that the new owners wanted their profit and the bank wanted theirs an it we me who was the weak link in the circle jerk. So it's not in my nature to put myself up the ladder in that equation.

a reply to: FauxMulder

Never.
Let.
A.
Crisis.
Go.
To.
Waste.

Especially one of your own creation that you can rush in and “solve” at the last minute to look all heroic to those that didn’t understand the problem was your fault to begin with...Playbook 101.

They should and I hope they win. First the government shuts down small businesses then they expect you to let people live in your property for who knows how long with no recourse at all if they don’t pay.

This is yet another subject that I see come up on places like Facebook that make me just want to disconnect my internet all together. Comments from folks saying they shouldn’t have to pay rent because of covid and that the landlords should have a “real” job and they wouldn’t have to worry about it.

How anyone thinks they have right to someone else’s property for the duration without paying anything is so far beyond me that I wonder if we aren’t already living in the twilight zone. If you don’t like paying rent then go buy a house. After that just let the bank know that you won’t be paying for whatever reason.

These are the same folks happy not to pay rent for 10 months then ring the landlord at 3 am complaining that the heat pump is out. What do you want him to fix it with? The same good vibes you paid that months rent with?

At some point rent is going to come due. And there are quite a few that could have paid but didn’t that are going to be shook when eviction notices start popping up. Whether it’s from the landlord or from the bank the landlord couldn’t pay because nobody paid rent. Then what? A long dark winter indeed.

I’m sorry for those that legit can’t pay. But don’t then turn around and act like it’s the landlords responsibility to continue to house you if you can’t. They didn’t get into the business because it’s glamorous. A landlord can understand your plight and still have bills to pay.

a reply to: Jamie2018
Put a bullet in my brain before you ship me off to one of those monoliths, either in China or here at home. Arrrrrrrhhhhh.

As for Deagel, wasn't that prediction made over fifteen years ago? We have only 4 years to go on that one and as of now, we are not even close to that decrease in population. Or course should this virus take a more lethal turn, that could account for that population crash as well. But that kind of disruption to ''business as usual '' is beyond my ability to even speculate.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Then you don't have to.

Thing is that not everyone gets into it that way. Friend of mine from college bought a trailer to live in while she was in grad school. Instead of selling it off when she and her hubs moved out, they kept it and fixed it up for rental. Didn't change the fact they were landlords though.

She got out of the game as soon as they used the rents to help with certain other financial goals because she was tired of dealing with tenant crap, but her first tenant was a friend she wanted to help out with a reasonable place to live and it went from there.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
The state needs to do this with cars, and with food, groceries.

I have a sick feeling when we have self driving/flying cars they will be shared...

This is what happens when you elect socialists. Enjoy Oregon.

Kudos and a star to you JAGstorm for providing a solution for this issue vs blaming a political side or viewpoint as is ATS tradition.

As an Oregon resident, I'd actually campaign for this.
I'm now motivated to contact some elected officials.

More of you need to follow JAGs initial example if it's actual cooperation you seek.

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

I had a good landlord once. I got into a place that suited my family perfectly. Actually it was the next place after I was forced out of the previous rental we had. With an interval of my pregnant wife and two kids to my parents house for a year. He let me in and I had to pay the owed money from the last tenant on a new washing machine as down payment. He kept my rents low enough for fifteen years. I don't dislike landlords outright because I've had good and bad. But to be one, is not an experience I would ever like to go through.

I have no philosophical solution to this whole landlord tenant debacle.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: andy06shake

Its to help pay your rent if you're unemployed or on a low income.

I would not have imagine many Americans would have been up for such a safety net all the same.

Damned commies....they get everywhere.
Imagine, government trying to make sure that landlords don't exploit the poor and vulnerable.

The landlords might be one tax bracket above the tenants. Maybe. This isn’t about helping the poor and vulnerable. This is about making more poor and vulnerable.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: Freeborn

Have you ever considered that landlords can be regular, hard-working and ambitious people as well?
My friend spent months finding an investor for her property. Then she spent a year putting labor into the property to make the living conditions really nice for her lessees. She intentionally picked a shady neighborhood thinking her effort and love would help improve the whole area.

She deserves to see the fruit of all that labor, don't you agree?

no, it should be given up as reparations to the BLM community. How dare she even have the opportunity to better her self when there are others that rightfully deserve what she worked so hard for.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
Isn't it interesting the gov who is causing the crashes intentionally isn't suspending property taxes, or all taxes they absolutely have the ability to do?

Time to suspend all politicians pay and seize their assets.

Or better yet... Put people into our politician's houses...houses plural... For their housing.

We really need a system where the politicians feel something to give them incentive.

a reply to: GraffikPleasure

Where yet have the bureaucrats suffered in all of this?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Eminent domain is the power of a state, provincial, or national government to take private property for public use.

Long story, but will make your blood boil. Eminent domain used in the worst possible way.


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'They demolished my house for this?' Residents outraged by the Foxconn factory that fizzled..
Village leaders upended lives in the name of acquiring property for the company, residents say. Some continue to fight for their land while others took inadequate relocation packages and left. A few saw their homes seized by the village.

So, what happens if the landlords decide to call themselves motels or hotels as opposed to rental property? Occupants sign a contract to pay the hotel fee daily and their electronic door lock stops working at noon until the fee for the next day is paid. And if someone screams about it you say you are operating a hotel. Not rental property. The system must work differently for hotels doesn't it?

originally posted by: ntech
So, what happens if the landlords decide to call themselves motels or hotels as opposed to rental property? Occupants sign a contract to pay the hotel fee daily and their electronic door lock stops working at noon until the fee for the next day is paid. And if someone screams about it you say you are operating a hotel. Not rental property. The system must work differently for hotels doesn't it?

There are some loopholes that are being used, but for the most part landlords are on the hook.
The issue is that landlords should not have to do these things.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: ntech
So, what happens if the landlords decide to call themselves motels or hotels as opposed to rental property? Occupants sign a contract to pay the hotel fee daily and their electronic door lock stops working at noon until the fee for the next day is paid. And if someone screams about it you say you are operating a hotel. Not rental property. The system must work differently for hotels doesn't it?

There are some loopholes that are being used, but for the most part landlords are on the hook.
The issue is that landlords should not have to do these things.

Not even that really. Landlords have always done these things. There have always been tenants who have been unable to pay rent for one reason or another and landlords have always used the same remedies to take care of the problem.

But for some reason ... COVID makes this time "special" and only now are evictions suddenly deemed more brutal than they used to be.

Yeah, there are more people being evicted, but this isn't the issue of the landlords really. The people getting the boot (again a normal process that has always happened) should take this one up with the government who nakedly shut down the economies they depended on for their lives and livelihoods.

But no ... instead this one is somehow the fault of landlords.

a reply to: ketsuko

It’s the same with the utility companies here. They can’t shut anything off due to nonpayment. They took it to city council a few months back and said that 75% of the accounts that are late were late as of last November. Now let that sink in. The ones who weren’t paying right before this all happened aren’t paying at all now and they still can’t have anything shut off. Who plans on paying for all of this when the time comes?

I live in an area where people were partying extra hard when they were getting that extra $600 unemployment. New TVs, paper tags galore. You don’t make that kind of money around here. Nobody on unemployment should have been late on anything (at least not here. I know the cost of living is much higher in other places). Now all over Facebook market place people are selling all those new TVs and atv’s, game systems etc because they cut out a bunch of the extra. People didn’t plan. Didn’t spend wisely and the whole time they are waiting for the government to wipe the slate clean so they won’t owe any back bills. It’s unreal to watch it.

ETA - I have been essential this whole time. I see some people that are essential just like me talking about being $5,000 dollars behind on rent and utilities. How in the hell can you live like that? People are just gambling in hopes that the government will swoop in and clear all debt away. I’m not so sure that will happen and I’m really sure that it won’t be fair for those who actually did what they were supposed to do. Again, there are some who fell through the cracks but there are a lot who simply refuse to do the right thing because right now they just don’t have to.