In Colorado, They're Counting Gun Shot Fatalities as COVID Deaths

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: 727Sky

the apologizers can talk now, but at the end of the year, there will be facts. A number of people will die from all kinds of things. And that number will be known. Then we will look at previous years. And unless there is a massive spike in total deaths, this will have been exposed at the garbage that it is.

Not familiar with US statistics but in the UK the numbers can be seen in weekly reported deaths which already show a significant increase.

facts not feelz.

I agree which is why we should use the death statistics showing a marked inverse in mortality rates and not people 'feelz' about the Virus being nothing more than a cold.

if you are going to spout "facts" bringing data to back up your "facts" would be the proper way to do business. Otherwise it's just a bit heavy on the "feelz" aspect. dig?

ONS data is publicly available. As of latest data set deaths are 13% up on 5 year average.

www.ons.gov.uk... es

Facts not feelz.

404 - The webpage you are requesting does not exist on the site

On phone, doesn't seem to like the link.

Data is availed on office of national statistics web site.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: 727Sky

the apologizers can talk now, but at the end of the year, there will be facts. A number of people will die from all kinds of things. And that number will be known. Then we will look at previous years. And unless there is a massive spike in total deaths, this will have been exposed at the garbage that it is.

Not familiar with US statistics but in the UK the numbers can be seen in weekly reported deaths which already show a significant increase.

facts not feelz.

I agree which is why we should use the death statistics showing a marked inverse in mortality rates and not people 'feelz' about the Virus being nothing more than a cold.

if you are going to spout "facts" bringing data to back up your "facts" would be the proper way to do business. Otherwise it's just a bit heavy on the "feelz" aspect. dig?

ONS data is publicly available. As of latest data set deaths are 13% up on 5 year average.

www.ons.gov.uk... es

Facts not feelz.

Here's a working link that I THINK is what the poster was trying to provide.
Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional: week ending 4 December 2020

www.ons.gov.uk... es

Hopefully this works.

For some reason it keeps removing the last 2 characters of link.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
www.ons.gov.uk... es

Hopefully this works.

Nope, you are truncating the URL somehow. Please check the link I posted above.

ETA: Here's the link............working link.
Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: ScepticScot
www.ons.gov.uk... es

Hopefully this works.

Nope, you are truncating the URL somehow. Please check the link I posted above.

Yeah keeps removing the last 2 characters. No idea why.

Thanks for providing

a reply to: ScepticScot

ourworldindata.org...

If you look, the total deaths are expected to rise slightly. If the trend looks like this after 2020 is factored in, what should we surmise?

The numbers will be the numbers, and they will tell the truth. Arguing about what they might be is much closer to feelz than facts.


eta:
it looks like 59.23 is both projected and actual thus far.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

ourworldindata.org...

If you look, the total deaths are expected to rise slightly. If the trend looks like this after 2020 is factored in, what should we surmise?

The numbers will be the numbers, and they will tell the truth. Arguing about what they might be is much closer to feelz than facts.


eta:
it looks like 59.23 is both projected and actual thus far.

UK figures show a 13% (so far) increasing in deAths over 5 year average.

UK Population increases by.about .6% a year so that doesn't nearly explain the inverse in deaths.

Not sure what world deaths projections has to do with that?

From the ONS


"A death in someone who has tested positive becomes progressively less likely to be directly due to COVID-19 as time passes and more likely to be due to another cause. However, there is no agreed cut-off after which COVID-19 can be excluded as a likely cause and sadly, we know that some people die from their infection many weeks later. Coronavirus can also contribute to a death without being the main or “underlying” cause."

Ergo, they can manipulate the stats as needed.




a reply to: ScepticScot

a reply to: ScepticScot

Covid numbers are skewed. Hence this thread. Looking at total deaths will be the tell tale sign. You can shift numbers around all you like, but in total, there will be a total. And it won't be able to be shifted anywhere. Dig?

originally posted by: lakenheath24

From the ONS


"A death in someone who has tested positive becomes progressively less likely to be directly due to COVID-19 as time passes and more likely to be due to another cause. However, there is no agreed cut-off after which COVID-19 can be excluded as a likely cause and sadly, we know that some people die from their infection many weeks later. Coronavirus can also contribute to a death without being the main or “underlying” cause."

Ergo, they can manipulate the stats as needed.




a reply to: ScepticScot

The overalll deaths are up why then?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

Covid numbers are skewed. Hence this thread. Looking at total deaths will be the tell tale sign. You can shift numbers around all you like, but in total, there will be a total. And it won't be able to be shifted anywhere. Dig?

The figures I provided* are overall deaths.

*or krakatoa provided technically.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

Covid numbers are skewed. Hence this thread. Looking at total deaths will be the tell tale sign. You can shift numbers around all you like, but in total, there will be a total. And it won't be able to be shifted anywhere. Dig?

The figures I provided* are overall deaths.

*or krakatoa provided technically.

good. we can compare the UK numbers and the US numbers and other nations as well. As I said, the numbers won't lie.

Who knows, thats why its called an average. Did they include deaths from people not seeking medical attention that otherwise would have? Suicides?



a reply to: ScepticScot

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: lakenheath24
Peeps lost their minds with scaremongering. I've been saying that for ages. It's like throwing water on a brush fire and walking away for six weeks thinking you put it out.

Its gonna be here like the cold. Peeps just gonna have to live with it.

Jesus H. Christ....its the damned FLU!!!




a reply to: network dude

No its not the flu.

You're right its a cold virus lol

I did a link that showed the Uk is ahead of the US in per capita deaths. Which I use when peeps here try to talk smack.

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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

Covid numbers are skewed. Hence this thread. Looking at total deaths will be the tell tale sign. You can shift numbers around all you like, but in total, there will be a total. And it won't be able to be shifted anywhere. Dig?

The figures I provided* are overall deaths.

*or krakatoa provided technically.

good. we can compare the UK numbers and the US numbers and other nations as well. As I said, the numbers won't lie.

They are already available for the UK. That is the point. We can see more people are dying.

Facts not feelz.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: xuenchen
The statistics are all faked and garbled for economic/political purposes 🚨

🚨

So, there could be even more deaths from COVID?

That's really scary.

Especially in China and Mongolia ❗

originally posted by: lakenheath24
Who knows, thats why its called an average. Did they include deaths from people not seeking medical attention that otherwise would have? Suicides?



a reply to: ScepticScot

The delta from 5 year average peaked just weeks into lock down then decreaed as time went on.

That isn't caused by people missing appointments

There are multiple stands of data overall deaths, death certificate data and deaths post test all showing the same thing.

originally posted by: markovian

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: lakenheath24
Peeps lost their minds with scaremongering. I've been saying that for ages. It's like throwing water on a brush fire and walking away for six weeks thinking you put it out.

Its gonna be here like the cold. Peeps just gonna have to live with it.

Jesus H. Christ....its the damned FLU!!!




a reply to: network dude

No its not the flu.

You're right its a cold virus lol

It's from the same family of viruses that is one of causes of the cold.

Not the same thing.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

Covid numbers are skewed. Hence this thread. Looking at total deaths will be the tell tale sign. You can shift numbers around all you like, but in total, there will be a total. And it won't be able to be shifted anywhere. Dig?

The figures I provided* are overall deaths.

*or krakatoa provided technically.

good. we can compare the UK numbers and the US numbers and other nations as well. As I said, the numbers won't lie.

They are already available for the UK. That is the point. We can see more people are dying.

Facts not feelz.

13% more death for 2020? That's significant, in fact, that's massive. The UK must be nothing but old folks with health issues. It must be frightening to live there. Are you sure about those numbers?