Where did the wise men find Jesus?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

I also suggested doing something in a thread of your own, if you think it needs to be done.

But I suggest, not demanding or commanding or being authoritative, I suggest for the sake of all that is Holy, you prove your calling by answering the question as to why the wise men were seeking him who is the king of the Jews.
If you could, and I don't think you can, I would be inclined to never reject, correct, rebuke or exhort you or your teachings ever again.

You don't have the authority of an examiner, either. I am not going to be a candidate to pass any test imposed by you, especially something imposed as a test of obedience to yourself. God had the right to test Abraham in this way- you don't. Please go and take a running jump off a short pier.

P.S. Sorry- Google tells me I have just used British slang, which you might find puzzling. Oh well, you can aleays look it up.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I know you don't like God's Authority as found in his word the Holy Bible. You have displayed your contempt for his words in too many examples.

In order to answer the question one has to be familiar with God's written words. I never saw the reason or who taught them or why they sought the king of the Jews in just a dozen readings of the OT. No it took years and years of reading through the Bible to one day by the Holy Ghost in me, teaching by comparison, and rightly dividing to see it.

I give God glory for all the truth he has taught me and for those who seek his words above his name or their own. For God has put his word above his name.

2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
If you have something which is worrth sharing, then SHARE it somewhere. If not here, then in your own thread, Don't sit grouching at other people because they're not doing your job.
You have a duty to present it to the world- Then DO IT, man.

a reply to: DISRAELI

The reason why don't you see it is beneficial, necessary and of great worth in obeying God's word in the world, is because you like others reject God's clear words. And that your teaching is heretical and is to be rejected according to God's words is because you seem to despise obeying God's words. You reject his clear teaching on how to study

2Tim2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
1Cor 2:11-15 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

So those of us who do believe every word of God to be true, not only do we believe it but we will in every place obey it. that includes here.

Titus 3:10-11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
2Tim 2:16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Know this out of abundance of love for you and the brethren in Christ do I do this. I find no satisfaction in rebuking and rejecting you. I would much rather know you as a brother in Christ who obeys God's words. Than one who has rejects and disobeys God's words. But through out from the first time you have never once recognized your error, you have taught outright false doctrine of the indwelling and person of the Holy Ghost, the Gathering of the church unto Jesus Christ, the Tribulation, the Millennial Kingdom and you failed to rightly divide the three Gospels found in the New Testament (not to worry even some real godly men err in the later but that only proves even godliest of men err, including me).

You see ALL of God's words are True, without Error, they are Preserved unto this Generation Forever just as God said he would in Psalm 12:6-7. However I have told you this many many time and you have rejected God's words. Believing men to be more authoritative than God's own words.

Proverbs 13:1 A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.
John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

So you see what you may deem not of much worth, God sees obedience as far greater worth than vain and empty words that profit no man.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
You have an important insight on the wise men which needs to be shared with the world.
Sharing it with the world is your job, not mine.
So do it.
The "new thread" button is at the top of the page.

a reply to: DISRAELI

My point is you do not know the BIBLE, you never have and you probably never will

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a reply to: ChesterJohn
You have told us that you hold the answer to a very important question. You have been banging on about how important this question is. And yet you are doing nothing to answer it. If you don't want to share the answer on this thread, there is a "new thread" button at the top of the page.

a reply to: DISRAELINo I said the Bible has the answers, God only revealed it to me and others when we are familiar with his word and we want to learn without ulterior motives like recognition, kudo's, thumbs up or a pat on the back from others. He will do the same for you but you are not interested in hearing from the word of God. You have displayed yourself over and over again on that issue.

Besides to hear you say it no one wants to hear from me.

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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Besides to hear you say it no one wants to hear from me.

Please explain why you think people want to hear the answer to this very important question from me instead of from you.

Incidentally, you are setting links to my opening post. Did you know that? If you want to set a link to one of your own posts, it has to be done in a slightly different way.

P.S. I've just noticed that you've dropped your angry avatar. If that also means that you've dropped your angry nature, that would be good news for all of us.

a reply to: DISRAELI

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Yup it show exactly what I am talking about VAIN TALKERS and EMPTY SPEECHES no worth to anyone.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
There is a very important question which you have identified.
It is your responsibility to provide the answer.
Don't let God down. Don't just bury your talent in the mud. Do the work.

a reply to: DISRAELI

NO, I posed the question to you.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
I refused to answer it.
You have GOT the answer, and you said the question was important.
Why, then, refuse to answer it yourself.?
What, in God's name, is so important that you refuse to give this IMPORTANT information?

Or is it that you were bluffing?
Were you lying when you said it was important?
Or were you lying when you said you had the answer yourself?
One of those must be the case. Perhaps even both of them.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: schuyler

Listening to an unsaved person teaching the word of God is like walking barefoot through thorns. No matter how hard you try not to step on any you will always step on some.

Your continuing ignorant rant is unworthy of a reply.

a reply to: schuyler

Why again then do you reply your ignorant rant.

two points I would like to add to the discussion.

1/ there apperently was another Bethleham

2/ The star if betleham could not have been a real star as they are too far away to guide people to a location on earth. Also a comet moving across the heavens as the earth rotated would have similar problems. More likely to have been an astrological conjunction that would have been seen in advance by experts in astrology. Explaning why Herod could not see the star...

Matthew 2:7...
Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared.

a reply to: glend
On the first point, Matthew and Luke are assuming that Jesus was born in the southern Bethlehem, not the Galilee version.
In Matthew, it is called Bethlehem of Judea, which means the south. Historically, Judah was always the area south of Jeusalem.
When the family return from Egypt, Joseph first thinks of returning to the area where Jesus was born but the angel advises against that, so instead he withdraws into Galilee, which was a different area.
The Micah prophecy directs them to the place where David was born- which was obviously Bethlehem in Judah.
And Luke carefully specifies that Joseph had to go from Galilee to Bethlehem in Judah. If they were just making a daytrip to another location in Galilee, there would have been no problem.

Your link reports a suggestion made by Jewish archaeologists. Presumably their knowledge of the gospel story is only superficial, so they would miss these points.


P.S. The traditional site of Rachel's tomb is in the wrong place, though. 1 Samuel ch10 v2 locates it in the territory of Benjamin, which makes sesse because Benjamin was a son of Rachel (she died in giving birth to him) and Judah was a son of Leah. There is no reason why there should not have been three different places carying the same simple name.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: glendP.S. The traditional site of Rachel's tomb is in the wrong place, though. 1 Samuel ch10 v2 locates it in the territory of Benjamin, which makes sesse because Benjamin was a son of Rachel (she died in giving birth to him) and Judah was a son of Leah. There is no reason why there should not have been three different places carying the same simple name.

Perfect example of what I have been constantly saying in all your threads.

You do not believe the word of God and Put your opinion and the teaching of other men in Authority over what they Bible clearly says. This in making yourself and other men the ones who preserve the truth of God's words neutering God's ability to keep his words as promised in Psalm 12:6-7.

Just because this was not the place of Rachel's burial Doe s not make the Prophecy of Rachel crying for her children does not mean it took place somewhere else other than the true Bethlehem.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
Once again you are jumping to attack something I have not said. I am NOT denying the word of God here. It is the word of God that says Rachel's tomb is in the territory of Benjamin, and I quoted the word of God in saying so (1 Samuel ch10 v2).

Prophets are always speaking to the people of their own time, in the first instance, so the original meaning of the prophecy is always to be found in the local context. It is always a mistake to take ANY verse of scripture in isolation and ignore the context. That's how people go off and develop novelties and false teachings

You need to read the first twenty verses of Jeremiah ch31 AS A WHOLE. It then becomes clear that the original "lamentaation of Rachel" was about the recent exile of the kingdom of Israel, the northern kingdom. That is, the tribes of Ephraim, Manasseh, and Benjamin, the children of Rachel. Ramah was a town originally in Benjamin. All through that passage, Jeremiah is talking about the restoration of "Samaria" and "Ephraim"- that is, the northen kingdom. Whereas Judah was not originally among the children of Rachel. Look for yourself in Genesis ch29- Judah was one of the sons of Leah. At most, he was a nephew of Rachel.

The application of the verse by Matthew is a fresh interpretation authorised by the Holy Spirit. I did a thread on this a few Christmases back. I said nothing in the post above to deny or attack what Matthew wrote.
Rachel weeping for her children

The problem is that you will keep presenting your ignorance and your failure to understand things as a gold standard that everybody else should be following. That's why you don't have any impact. We can see through it.

a reply to: DISRAELI[quoteGe 48:7 And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet there was but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same is Bethlehem.

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