Unpopular opinion: the left and right are garbage

This should probably be an essay. If it was it would be too long and few here would read it. So I'm cutting out a bit of content and making it a thread which may leave out some exploration of details. So this OP may be a bit incomplete. It's in the mud pit so both sides can take their shots at me. I'm taking shots at both sides. It's a bit of rambling.

First I have to admit that I was only partially accurate that the left would destroy their own party through cancel culture and the oppression olympics. While I expected a Trump win and an accelerated demise of the left we got a Biden win, as suspect as I am of the election integrity, and it seems the tide has turned. It's not the first I've seen of this and even leading up to the election I started feeling the right was too far gone.

Throughout this administration there's been aggression against those who didn't buy in to all the conspiracy and "the plan". As I said before the direction the left is heading will lead to their destruction. Now, with what is shaping up to be a Trump loss, in a questionable election we see the right accelerating to catch up. This could be a good thing for other parties. The left has alienated independent voters, but now the right is actively alienating independent voters as well. I think, foolishly perhaps, that Tulsi Gabbard may be positioning herself for a strong showing in 2024. She needs to completely leave the DNC orbit, but hopefully not jump into bed with a crappy existing 3rd party. I liked her before she proposed eliminating domestic spying and now I'm really hoping she'll do well.

I've always been a fiscal conservative and social liberal. I'd say I fall to the extreme left on civil liberties prior to the madness of the past decade. I've always been fine with gay marriage, transgendered adults making their own decisions, and social welfare for the truly needy. Now the left has become about allowing children to take hormones, minorities being infallible, and general discontent about any kind of sophisticated problem they can break down to oppression. I was leaning right because of that. Now the right is all about anybody that disagrees is a communist, a shill, or at the apex a pedophile. Pedophile is the Nazi of the right. Both sides have become all or nothing totalitarian movements. It isn't a comfortable position for a centrist, not that being a centrist has ever been anything but a constant battle. It seems the center is further from each extreme than ever. That might be a good thing.

The center has never been more alienated. For a while under Trump the center, for those that could ignore the absurdist media, had a place. Trump, in spite of the media telling us otherwise, did try to enact a centrist agenda. Peace treaties and no new wars should be something both sides can agree upon. He tried to get Congress to fix immigration, which I think is a reasonable centrist view. Unfortunately he tried to cultivate relationships with the far right. The most disappointing thing about his tenure is that he was so demonized that the left was completely unwilling to advance any good policy that he would have agreed with. He leans left if you look at leftist ideals historically. So much great policy could have been pushed through if the swamp could have, for even a moment, considered the good of the people. Of course all policy would have needed the support of McConnell, a disgusting legacy senator, to even pass. If the left didn't shut down any progress Trump wanted then he was there to shut it down.

The election, as far as I'm concerned, was a sham. There's been funny business. Yeah yeah yeah, the court cases have been dismissed. Of course they are dismissed because the entities supervising the elections won't submit to detailed examination. You can tell me there is no evidence of fraud and I will tell you that thousands of elections happen globally and a large percentage of them are considered fraudulent. Those that supervise elections are never going to admit fraud or even incompetent staff. I have no faith in the election process, and for various other reasons, I have no faith in equal justice.

While many of you dismiss those who are disenfranchised by the election I think a wiser approach may be to look at the wider implications. I, personally, have watched the Clinton email scandal and dozens of other high profile crimes go through discovery with no consequences. As far as I'm concerned the law is arbitrary, unenforceable, and should be ignored. I spent four decades as a slave to onerous laws that can be ignored if you have the right connections. I've skirted laws in the past, but only minor things and this has been the final straw for me. I will ignore any law that I believe I can get away with. If politicians can ignore law then so can I.

Without law and a society willing to abide by that law there is no country, no government, and no safety net. I can see us devolving. I recommend that everybody, left or right, consider the consequences of our politicians being lawless. Consider, in spite of who wins, the implications of a faithless election process.

I'm a centrist, though both sides will say otherwise. I think there are far more that agree with me, brushing off extremism, than there are hardcore party loyalists. If I, a meek little law abider, am adopting a lawless philosophy then how many others are leaning the same way? I really hope this continues on the same trajectory. A third party would be amazing. Bring the chaos.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

I would say that opinion is more popular than you may think.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

I could have said it better. There is on thing I don't agree with in your post. Trump has never been far right . He was pushed to far right by all the left wing nut cases.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe
Without law and a society willing to abide by that law there is no country, no government, and no safety net. I can see us devolving. I recommend that everybody, left or right, consider the consequences of our politicians being lawless. Consider, in spite of who wins, the implications of a faithless election process.

I witnessed a Trump win on Nov 3 and a Biden fraud.

And after that I witnessed that that the left and right are indeed both garbage and a lot of cowards the likes which have never been seen in ages past.

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: Ksihkehe

I would say that opinion is more popular than you may think.

We're just getting started.

The left thought they could be lawless and riot to bring down the system. Police got record income on overtime because of the anti-police riots. They are tools of the system. What is going to happen, organically and without the CCP influence, is a silent rebellion of normal people.

No, there will be no armed rebellion, there will be a starving of the beast. As abhorrent as it is to formerly law-abiding citizens, they will begin to subvert the law. The real way to stop the slime in DC is to elect better people, act locally, and avoid conforming to rules. When there is no law for the elite there cannot be law for the peasants. It's not a question of if, history tells us this, merely a question of when.

I could be wrong on the timing and I often am. It may be years before it happens, but it will.

From what I've seen , even Bosos or whatever his name is have moved to his island . Those in the know, something in the pot at the bottom of it is getting too hot to bear" safe countries " might be impossible unless you know someone in govt. This is the Chinese approach that is infecting the American landscape. Sure most Americans have not even travel to more then a few States in the past, but now many want to travel and CAN'T.

originally posted by: musicismagic
From what I've seen , even Bosos or whatever his name is have moved to his island . Those in the know, something in the pot at the bottom of it is getting too hot to bear" safe countries " might be impossible unless you know someone in govt. This is the Chinese approach that is infecting the American landscape. Sure most Americans have not even travel to more then a few States in the past, but now many want to travel and CAN'T.

This is off-topic, but does tie in a bit.

It may be of benefit for people, those with means or astute business sense, to begin exploring alternative finance(crypto) and passports from countries that are amenable to taking care of investors.

It's a reasonable opinion!. The far left, and far right suck. But, lets get the idea that the average, left, or average right..is rioting, or being whatever bad things ascribed to the right. Most people are in the middle-ish, trying to get by. I doubt many of the actual rioters bother to vote..they just want to burn it all down, people that selfish rarely vote.

Now, you probably have a point, insofar as the local govts, that allowed the rioting to carry on.

JM2C

2013:

Neither side of the aisle will even consider what the other side offers. Neither side of the aisle understands the concept of compromise. The word moderate has become an epithet. Those who attempt to create any kind of bridge are few and far between and are quickly shut down.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: vonclod
It's a reasonable opinion!. The far left, and far right suck. But, lets get the idea that the average, left, or average right..is rioting, or being whatever bad things ascribed to the right. Most people are in the middle-ish, trying to get by. I doubt many of the actual rioters bother to vote..they just want to burn it all down, people that selfish rarely vote.

Now, you probably have a point, insofar as the local govts, that allowed the rioting to carry on.

JM2C

I don't think most on the left approve of rioting. I think that because of the news they consume they maintain the clearly false idea that most of the "protests" are peaceful. I have a really diverse base of sources and many of them are ground level leftist sources, but the past 8 months have been a circus. I have been willing to tell the left about what is really happening, including complicit DAs letting rioters off, but party supercedes reality.

Sadly the right is becoming as blind to reality as the left.

“I've always been a fiscal conservative and social liberal. I'd say I fall to the extreme left on civil liberties prior to the madness of the past decade.”

Honestly, I think most people fall under this.

I don’t think most people like extremes to either side.

The reality is, the citizens are like an average gopher employee trying to figure out which island resort the CEOs and upper management went for a team building exercise while the reactor pushes closer to melt down.

We get no answers, no results and it always ends up our fault.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

I agree with you

originally posted by: Phage
2013:

Neither side of the aisle will even consider what the other side offers. Neither side of the aisle understands the concept of compromise. The word moderate has become an epithet. Those who attempt to create any kind of bridge are few and far between and are quickly shut down.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh sage, what dost thou opine about this conundrum?

I understand this is SSDD, but is there a reason you think it's just one more meaningless shift?

Hot garbage.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

As long as the gulf continues to widen we are well and truly screwed. A president can't fix it and the experiment was not set up for it.

The "left" and the "right" were constructed to keep us divided.
Anyone who worships their own respective cult is part of perpetuating that divide.

There is a reason the DNC and RNC run the gauntlet and no one else gets through.

It's about time Americans admit it and do something about it.
(while collectively turning off social media)

a reply to: Ksihkehe

and again: what exactly is the left? because you can't mean 'left' in the political sense, since they are a minority in most democratic countries. left-wing politics is socially oriented, but of course there are also radical forces within the left, for example anti-semitism is more pronounced in left-wing parties than in other democratic parties, the right-wing parties excluded. the right-wing radical movement is more dangerous because it appeals to many mentally ill people and sometimes incites them to terrible acts of violence. the far-right movement is based on destructive thoughts, nationalism, xenophobia, fear and hatred. it is about chaos, revenge and destruction. you cannot equate this ideology with burning cars. biden is a conservative politician. in germany, he would certainly be a leading person in the CDU (Christian Democratic Union). this partie is more center-right. right-wing is basically not a bad thing. my country first. this. but also the recognition of other cultures that live in the country, as long as they stick to the rules. right-wing in a good sense means: national conservative. it probably needs both poles. but no one needs extremists.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Ksihkehe

As long as the gulf continues to widen we are well and truly screwed. A president can't fix it and the experiment was not set up for it.

If the gulf continues to widen doesn't it make a 3rd party more likely?

Given that each extreme continues to alienate the center won't it make sense for a center to emerge?

I'm willing to change my opinion and I know you have a few years experience on me. I just don't see an alternative, fully aware that many before me wrongly felt the same way.