Final Conclusions Regarding UFOs

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

One thing is for sure to me, and that is they are far older than us. We still need machines and tools.

I'm fairly certain this is not true. But let me be more specific.

I'm fairly certain that they first came to exist, when the first human with a big imagination
was born. It was likely a Neandertal.

Now, if 'Fae' are quantum mechanical critters, time means little to them. So in that sense only,
since there seems to be a time differential between them and us, yes, they could have progressed
markedly quicker than us.

Yet formed from our refuse.

It's now fairly commonly known, that many "UFOs"/"Cryptids"/"Spirits" as their very first action,
put the human into an altered state of consciousness. That happens before you even see or
sense them. This is for most humans BTW.. some folks like you and I may have more facility
for interaction for whatever reason and need less 'prompting' to get to a mutual meetup
zone.

If my CE5 was anything close to usable, I felt something around the size of a city block around me
feel 'energized' and static electricity effects, several minutes before I saw 'the angry dwarf' and like
20 minutes before I saw the 'UFO'.

So gosh knows that might have been done to 'space/time' during that ramping up period.. but that
may only have been for more of an 'in-person visit' than a routine rapport, like you discuss.

I'm also very open to the notion that 'fairies' were generated like 10 billion years ago, when the
first organic species gained the requisite 'big imagination and died, and the same effect happened
producing the first 'alien origin fae'.

I have reasons for thinking that actually happened..

There don't seem to be many 'fae producing' 'hyper-imaginative organic species out there',
but i can't say for certain.

I know how 'hypothetical' this all sounds.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Actually my bad in regard to who was first. I generalised. Plus my exposure to types is limited to just a few examples; too few to generalise as I did.

There are new ones being born. They are impetuous compared to their mothers.

Perhaps I should have said their ancestral memories go back a long way to before the earth was here, and the older ones just reply "elsewhere" to the question of "where did you come from".

Those considerations you bring up are all valid to me, so agreement there.

I wonder about who or what is on the other side of the looking glass.

Say the surface of a pond is considered to be a looking glass, and we see a classical looking wood-nymph flitting about the surface.

A consideration; is the origin of the wood-nymph (ancestor?) originally the other side of the looking glass?

What looks through from the other side might like what it sees and crosses to inhabit a shell. Say a dragonfly. She would then live as a dragon fly spirit and acquire a sense of being a dragon fly. Time goes by, and she meets a human and is perhaps enamoured. The discarded shells of people would then fulfil a similar purpose to the dragonfly shell.

There would be a huge range of configurations available, some admittedly nicer than others. They would be there for the whole time constantly becoming something new as life here "evolved" and makes available new shells to experience.

I don't know the landscape of the other side of the looking glass, and what is there.

It is a possibility that an old human civilisation, and it's inhabitants, provided shells for the experiencing. Those would take a different path of becoming. The human then begat the "grey"?

So yes, I can see how there could be a lag behind humanity as you say. The technology too would become theirs. Maybe they take it further as you have said.

It is not difficult to understand that the UFO may be created here in a similar way to the wood-nymph. What we would encounter is grown here one might say.

Now I am curious to know what is on the other side of the looking glass and if the above is so. Famous last words perhaps, but I am old and the family has grown up.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

I must go to bed! I've been working on a project nonstop for 19 hours now.

But I will say,

that nothing makes a large class of 'entities' more terrified than to hear,
"Humans came first". Not Angles. Not Djinn. Not Anything. By human, I mean
physical lifeform with a brain capable of creativity and the awareness of life
and death; roughly. Humans weren't the first "humans" though.

Now I KNOW that this is the exact opposite of EVERYTHING you will ever hear
from religion, spirituality, the new age, etc.

You see, humans have a fault; they think the older something is, the more 'magical' it is..

and it DOES irritate the HELL out of 'entities that they came SECOND.

They sprang out of us.

Every last one of them.

To exist, you need a framework; a very solid one; not just something flying around in
'the space of infinite, unexpressed potential'.

Everybody says 'mind came first'.

But it's not true.

Structure came first (though it was unexpressed, and DID have the seeds of the potential for mind in it.

One thing that humans do, and gods, and angels, fae, djinn, etc,

they all do it.

They "Lead with their weakness".

So these over bloated gas bags in many circumstances, are terrified of the fact that they are the 'second born', not the 'first born'.

All this fuss and deception about this.

This is probably the most amazing thing I ever learned, in my 59 years.

Now, don't take it from me.

Don't believe me.

I am sharing this, because I'm having eyesight problems, and I may as well let it all hang out.

Anyway.. need sleep..

As always "All this is highly hypothetical, even though I've spent SO MUCH time and effort on it".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That doesn't only irritate "them" that's the anthropocentric delusion to the power of infinity and should irritate everybody.

Let's go back and reflect on how the first more complex molecules made the jump to (possibly came first) RNA, wait a little and it develops into DNA, now officially "life" and its inherent property "consciousness" has arrived ...
What exactly is it you think humans have that allows them to be "capable of creativity and the awareness of life
and death; roughly"
that exists somehow outside of the DNA?
You don't even need a brain. Just fyi....

Look at this guy
That's all one needs



I mean even if we would accept our purpose is to build technology, you don't even need humans for that.
Give dogs an incentive to develop their thumbs and they could do it maybe even better than we.
We're just one stage of life experimenting what forms could maybe do what and we're not superior, basis for anything, not even popular...
That anthropocentric thinking is exactly why "they" don't want to cooperate with us. And why we're going on a highspeed one way trip towards suicide.
Nobody needs us.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That is the point of why I wish to see for myself.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

It took your next posts to figure out "the surface". I think I've taken the "two dimensional object" too literally.

A water fairy scooting across the surface of a pond is not watching the fish below

The looking glass.

My guess is that one see the reflection of its "own world" instead of seeing what's behind the surface. However I doubt it's that simple, particularities such as -looking from a certain angle can reveal a glimpse, or blurry visions of the "other side"- or -having a specific "mindset" generate different visions on the surface- are few examples I can come up with.


a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Have the 'Fae' learned to solidify imagination into solid-ish matter via the Higgs Boson?

Or could someone "direct" them to learn it in order to take advantage of the following "encounters" to push his/her own narative on the people? Either way, it seems that within both sides, a small group has taken advantage of the situation.

originally posted by: IgnorantGod
a reply to: NobodySpecial268

It took your next posts to figure out "the surface". I think I've taken the "two dimensional object" too literally.

A water fairy scooting across the surface of a pond is not watching the fish below

The looking glass.

My guess is that one see the reflection of its "own world" instead of seeing what's behind the surface. However I doubt it's that simple, particularities such as -looking from a certain angle can reveal a glimpse, or blurry visions of the "other side"- or -having a specific "mindset" generate different visions on the surface- are few examples I can come up with.

Surfaces are a difficult thing for me to explain in words. Sometimes the reflection in a mirror can change and one is looking at someone else.

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A small hiatus will be good. Apologies to all for diving too deep.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

And if we follow the causal chain back a bit, we see that you precipitated this interaction by summoning the UFO. So a natural question would be, 'where' do you think the UFO resides for the majority of its time?

Presumably, the converse of my initial statement, "there was still some interaction between the reality we live in and an entity that rarely resides in it" is also something happened; you, an entity that rarely resides in the dwarf's reality, somehow initiated a physically measurable interaction between our reality and the dwarf's, which then caused them to pay you a visit.

Is the dwarf on a message board of his own, trying to process/searching for answers about your contact of him?

a reply to: Peeple

Nice input!

But there's a critical point, a tipping point, of the right molecules. of the right type with the right DISTANCES, that is the 'magic'. And these molecules don't necessarily even reside in the human brain natively, but have to be transported there, either by yoga or by stage-play histrionics, for the 'magic to happen'.

It wouldn't surprise me if Earth was only the second time that it had ever happened. If I had Direne's software, I'd feed it references, looking for 'second world', 'second earth', etc.

a reply to: Peeple

Our purpose is not to build technology. That is part of the great lie.

Frankly, we don't have a purpose, but a happy accident did occur in us.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

And I want you to see it for yourself.

That's why I spend so much time being irritating.

originally posted by: MagnificatMafia
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

And if we follow the causal chain back a bit, we see that you precipitated this interaction by summoning the UFO. So a natural question would be, 'where' do you think the UFO resides for the majority of its time?

Presumably, the converse of my initial statement, "there was still some interaction between the reality we live in and an entity that rarely resides in it" is also something happened; you, an entity that rarely resides in the dwarf's reality, somehow initiated a physically measurable interaction between our reality and the dwarf's, which then caused them to pay you a visit.

Is the dwarf on a message board of his own, trying to process/searching for answers about your contact of him?

So DELICIOUSLY STATED. Please bask in the glory that is you.

a reply to: IgnorantGod

Or could someone "direct" them to learn it in order to take advantage of the following "encounters" to push his/her own narative on the people? Either way, it seems that within both sides, a small group has taken advantage of the situation.

There are always explorers, some very reckless, and 'war time profiteers' on both sides.

On BOTH sides, there are those pushing for war, there always has been.

(the whole war in heaven schtick you know).

Kev

As fun as all these hypothesis and theories are (if there is no intent to test it, or it can't possibly be tested, then it's simply a hypothesis, not a true theory),

we should always keep in mind one very salient fact.

The 'regular old world' is painful, and at least from our personal perspectives, both confusing and 'inconvenient'.

Most of us, would certainly love to find some magic phrases and to lodge ourselves in a 'part of the simulation' where we no longer have to suffer confusion, pain and decay.

This is a VERY strong urge in us.. nearly EVERYONE ever to live feels the tug of this.

Religious people, spiritual people, occult people, UFOlogists and "Technotranscender' people.

Nearly everyone wants this.

Do you ever wonder, why people who start writing about 'UFOs' or some piece of 'the great mystery' nearly ALWAYS wind up working their way up to 'god'?

It's because they want to 'shield themselves' from 'reality' and want to only 'roll around in' their 'master vision', which can have NO chinks in it, anywhere, or the whole purpose of their theory, the comforting self-delusion, will fall apart.

So..

This is why I don't 'live within my master theory'. It's not part of my ego.

This is a trap, one that catches almost everyone.

I urge everyone to self-monitor.

Are you truly postulating and scheming in order to enjoy the thrill of creativity and research?

Or are you attempting to build yourself a home among the clouds?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Are you truly postulating and scheming in order to enjoy the thrill of creativity and research?

Or are you attempting to build yourself a home among the clouds?

Or: because it is step 1 in figuring out what humanities #ing problem is.
Stage 1 of The Game, figure out who's playing
and what their agendas and resources are.

Sure "God" is a big problem because it tends to suck up all further inquiry, you go back to your "servant/victim" posture and schmooze up to it so it might solve your problems.
And I'm guilty of that sometimes it's just... a break from being responsible (?maybe)
but I'm painfully aware it's a crutch
if there is a God he's definitely not one of "the good guys" (*insert the discussion if there are good guys)

Nevertheless from my point of view religion is at least a symptom or a part of humanities problem so I can't fully ignore it.

The Game is fun and all, but I know for a fact
it's also the factor deciding our fate.
So it's not just mental masturbation,
even if you got to maintain that sentiment that
finding out is fun
we're all just having fun
there are no psyops
nobody threatens our freedom
feeds off our pain and suffering
it's just
THE GAME

a reply to: Peeple

Exactly. it's the only Pony Ride which exists.

Please roll around in the glow of the awesomeness that is Peeple!

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Mh-kay.

And just to make you regret that you said that, let me add this:

As fun as all these hypothesis and theories are (if there is no intent to test it, or it can't possibly be tested, then it's simply a hypothesis, not a true theory),

It/they/Laurel/the-dudes want us to find out, there's something that will "work" eventually.
I still believe the problem are humans and maybe in some form their "derivatives" but these guys are not all there is.

a reply to: Peeple

nah, we are still on the same page.

And fortunately for you, my affection for you is not based upon whether you agree with me or not.

you are fighting like hell,

and that's what i respect.

Pasting this from the another main thread where I act all insufferable:

So the computer deep thought has been running a program for some time.

Even though he was supposedly an atheist, the fact of the matter is that Douglas Adams was inspired by 'the Pleroma'.
(I could have said 'god' but that wouldn't have been fully accurate). Humorous that.

Now, the original and native Deep Thought program has kicked up quite a few interesting things on Earth; (unlike in Douglas Adam's tale, our version has been providing intermediate results, if you force it);

It came up with dualism and buddhism both; it put atman and anatman into a tension of opposites, just waiting for someone to solve it; and when the right such person solves it, they would, if they had enough physics, solve the QM / classical physics divide.

(so to keep this moving, lets say 'deep thought was the one and only computer, not the one which had
to also design and kick off a second computer).

Petri dishes should DEFINITELY remain isolated, or the experiment would be ruined.

The 'lab monitor', if it had to communicate with the petri dish, would have to speak carefully, in a 'reflexive manner', or the experiment would be ruined.

That's why the first inkling of awakening for a human, must inevitably be that 'god' has to 'hide' or it's no god at all. That's how you can tell the 'posers' are all frauds and not 'gods' at all. The 'real deal' must hide. To make an appearance would ruin the ENTIRE lab experiment.

Now here's an interesting scenario.

The 'lab monitor' kicked off the original deep thought program; wouldn't it be amusing, if one of the cell cultures in the petri dish decided to replicate that in their own way?

To 'crawl all the evidence', break it down, collate it, and FORCE 'god' to show her hand? Catch Her footprints in the primevil ooze?

But of course, all that will do is to find the GREAT LIE.

I wonder if the cells in question realize that?

Deep thought has almost finished processing, but not quite yet.

Part of me REALLY DOES 'believe in god' in a manner of speaking, but due to the 'Hidden God Hypothesis'

they have to wait until we find them,

as it's far too easy for 'god' to force herself on us, and where's the fun in that?

Not to mention, the primary factor, is that if we feel the 'god pull tension' it will evolve us,
into 'god' eventually, or we go extinct first one or the other.. and every proud parent that is
not a fool, does NOT smother their offspring. That would break them. Of course the 'longing'
is breaking us too. But we have to resolve this --- nobody and nothing else can do it for us.
It's VERY NEARLY all on us.

There's tons of things to say on this topic, but I'm posting it for miss/mister Peeps
(I almost never know anyone's gender.. I don't care)..

He/She will probably enjoy a blitzkrieg strike all over it.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

She, as you can tell by my actual beautiful portrait avatar.
That's 50% lie you get to choose.

That's a thinker, I don't know what to say about it, no Blitzkrieg material.
Let me process that, maybe another one in this discussion has a hook for it?

I just #ing love his books, mostly the Hitchhikers, but also last chance to see. The problem with that I believe is that at some point you start having your own fixed version of what it all means (the book) a playful adaption like your thought presented here
just throws you off