This is how we do it in Japan thats why testing counts are low

Ever wonder why test positives are low in Japan. Have a read here:
www.japantimes.co.jp...

Well that would make for significantly lower numbers.
The US has 17.3 million cases (if those numbers are legit, which is debatable) vs Japan with 191K. Y'all have 2,661 deaths- compared to our 311K.
If we had followed what the Japanese are doing, how much different would it be? Insanely different, no doubt.

This is all common sense, I am simply thinking "out loud" here and wondering why the flip we freaked the eff out over this!?

The virus is real and it is really bad for some people- I have close family that have been ravaged by it (thankfully no deaths, yet). But the way our country has reacted to this makes me think of an autoimmune illness- severe overreaction to the degree that we are attacking ourselves and causing much more harm than the original illness would.

a reply to: chelsdh

2 days ago, I had contact with the first 3 people that either had covid or tested positive for covid. 2 women in their late 20's or early 30's and an older gentleman around 70. The 2 women had minor symptoms and recovered quickly. The older gent tested positive and went into quarantine 14 days and no symptoms developed. A false positive. I suspect there are probably millions of false positive test results here in the US.

I think the way we are handling testing here is doing no more than to feed the beast of fear. For me, Japan seems to be taking a more rational and logical approach in their method of testing.



I am a 70 year old, single now, male living a reclusive life because of this.

a reply to: chelsdh

Also if you look at the chart of death by ethnicity/race in the USA

Japanese/Chinese have the lowest death rate, followed by Caucasians.

The highest death rate is Native Americans, followed by Blacks, followed by Hispanics who have a death rate around + or - 3 times the death rate of oriental/white.

That can also account for it, this virus was designed to kill people of color while sparing oriental asian and caucasians. That is very clear by now.

Why do you think the MSM won't show photos of people of color who died and only white people? They don't want to let the people of color know they were targeted by this virus.

a reply to: CharlesT

I do think there are significant false positives. However, I have seen 2 households where one spouse was very sick and ended up hospitalized, while the other had almost no symptoms- like a headache for one day, but also was positive. How it affects people with such varying degrees of seriousness is so strange.

a reply to: The2Billies

Could that simply be due to more Caucasians and Asians in the US having better healthcare access? Thus higher survival rate ?

Your theory does not hold water....why would the MSM show every story they can come up with to show racial prejudice against people of color and then remain silent on what you believe?

a reply to: The2Billies

For those that can't read the article in the OP, here, IMO, is the core of the point.

What do I do if I think I have coronavirus?

If you think you have the relevant symptoms — a fever of 37.5 degrees Celsius (99.5 degrees Fahrenheit), fatigue and trouble breathing — for four days, call your local public health center or a coronavirus hotline, according to the health ministry.

Elderly people or those who are immunosuppressed should contact a public health center or the hotline after two days of having those symptoms.

You will not be tested by simply going to a hospital, which, if you are infected with the virus, will risk spreading it to other people there.

Local public health centers and people manning hotlines are basically performing triage, referring people deemed to be infected or showing severe symptoms to an outpatient clinic. Those with mild symptoms are simply being asked to stay home.

A doctor will determine whether a patient receives a PCR test. Those who test positive are admitted to a hospital with a specialist infectious disease ward.

The Tokyo Metropolitan Government recently made this information available in English in a flow chart on its COVID-19 task force website.

a reply to: HarryJoy
It's not a theory it's a fact. If you care to look there are a few videos of doctors in some states advocating that the Black and Hispanic communities get priority with the vaccine as they are more at risk from Covid.

But now in Japan in Tokyo alone , testing of about 7000 a day with a 7% positive ( of course, we can expect a percent to be a false positive also ) shows that the airborne virus is much more serious in its contagious landscape of indoors. That is the most worrying part of this epidemic. It now has spread into the countryside affecting the elderly and I can tell you this, one that gets the fever and can't drive to the doctor then to the few hospitals that have beds, well, by the end of January of 2021 I expect the death rate to be much higher.
One thing about Japan is that all deaths are police investigated and the actual deaths are usually 100% accurate . So I really believe the current figures of deaths are about right.
By the way all our schools are opened and the universities as I understand are going to go back to live in class learning starting in January.
This is an Island country and under no circumstances can we afford a complete shutdown of people not functioning in every day life, no matter what the cost are. We just had a snow storm up north and over 2000 cars and trucks stranded now for 3 days. Our shelves are getting bare by the hour at the markets. Imagine a complete shut down, just isn't going to happen here.

a reply to: Krakatoa

I thought the core of the point was that Japan ONLY tests for covid with a Dr referral. One doesn't just walk in and say "I think I have covid/ I was exposed to someone with covid". One point in the article says that after you have had symptoms for 4 days, then you should contact the Dr about possibly getting tested.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: HarryJoy
It's not a theory it's a fact. If you care to look there are a few videos of doctors in some states advocating that the Black and Hispanic communities get priority with the vaccine as they are more at risk from Covid.

As a whole those two groups are not very healthy, lots of health issues that genetics and culture influences affect a good deal in very bad ways.

originally posted by: chelsdh
a reply to: Krakatoa

I thought the core of the point was that Japan ONLY tests for covid with a Dr referral. One doesn't just walk in and say "I think I have covid/ I was exposed to someone with covid". One point in the article says that after you have had symptoms for 4 days, then you should contact the Dr about possibly getting tested.

yes, you have to have a doc referral to get tested at a govt. facility as of now anyway, but many companies are testing in house now too, so things are changing

originally posted by: chelsdh
a reply to: Krakatoa

I thought the core of the point was that Japan ONLY tests for covid with a Dr referral. One doesn't just walk in and say "I think I have covid/ I was exposed to someone with covid". One point in the article says that after you have had symptoms for 4 days, then you should contact the Dr about possibly getting tested.

And that was my point. The OP never provided their opinion and perspective of the story they linked. So, I provided my perspective on the most important aspect of the article, as did you.

originally posted by: TheResidentAlien
a reply to: The2Billies

Could that simply be due to more Caucasians and Asians in the US having better healthcare access? Thus higher survival rate ?

That's kinda racist.

All the blacks and Hispanics in my neighborhood are middle to upper middle class.

Why does everyone assume that to be a person of color is to be poor and underpriviledged?

My hispanic niece has it, she is young, she is healthy, she is upper middle class and having a rough time.

a reply to: HarryJoy

Why indeed, an excellent question, why would the media ignore entirely that people of color are dying at 3 times the rate of caucasions and oriental asians.

Look at this website for the truth.

www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: The2Billies
a reply to: chelsdh

Why do you think the MSM won't show photos of people of color who died and only white people? They don't want to let the people of color know they were targeted by this virus.

That is the theory I was referring too......it makes no sense to me that the MSM would use every opportunity they can to point out racial discrimination and yet in this instance be the greatest contributor to deceiving the public as to the effects of the virus against them.

a reply to: The2Billies

originally posted by: The2Billies
a reply to: chelsdh

Also if you look at the chart of death by ethnicity/race in the USA Japanese/Chinese have the lowest death rate, followed by Caucasians.

The highest death rate is Native Americans, followed by Blacks, followed by Hispanics who have a death rate around + or - 3 times the death rate of oriental/white.

That can also account for it, this virus was designed to kill people of color while sparing oriental asian and caucasians. That is very clear by now.

Why do you think the MSM won't show photos of people of color who died and only white people? They don't want to let the people of color know they were targeted by this virus.

originally posted by: TheResidentAlien
a reply to: The2Billies

Could that simply be due to more Caucasians and Asians in the US having better healthcare access? Thus higher survival rate ?

originally posted by: The2Billies
That's kinda racist.

All the blacks and Hispanics in my neighborhood are middle to upper middle class.

Why does everyone assume that to be a person of color is to be poor and underpriviledged?

My hispanic niece has it, she is young, she is healthy, she is upper middle class and having a rough time.

To The2Billies:

YOU bring up the racist point. Are when rebutted with a question of explaining why there might be issues of variance in the Covid-19 deaths in relation to RACE, accuse the poster of making a racist post. Sheesh!

Ok, here you go. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... This explains WHY race is a variable, based on income. Go with the data...…

On topic, Japan's culture is quite different than most western cultures. The whole demeanor is completely different. It appears Japan is much calmer and logical, not giving into rash unfounded fear. We could all benefit from the common sense Japan is displaying in this pandemic.

a reply to: musicismagic

Perhaps the difference is due to the ability to disseminate disinformation and to get into official record, or the ability to intentionally disseminate the virus itself.