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Highly Dubious USAF UFO Explanations.

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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 04:49 AM
Not too sure about the future of the UFO forum but if it does shut down then would just like to salute everyone (whatever their position) for some very interesting content over the years.

Have tried to save some of the member content from Jkrog's chronological list but lots (and lots) of vids and links now defunct - still some very intriguing info to be reposted somewhere else at a later date.

Don't suppose we're any closer to identifying UFO origin but do think a pretty strong case can be made for official government UFO investigations attempting to mislead the general public and initiate a 'cover up' of information.

Have revisited the thread dealing with highly dubious USAF UFO explanations - a lot of the source material was gone for good but the updated info is posted below -maybe a good idea to download the remaining YT vids if you want to watch them again.

• Thread dealing with spurious, contrived or just plain ridiculous 'official' government UFO explanations:

This might be a long read but thought it would be worthwhile to compile a list of specific case examples involving highly dubious USAF debunkery so if anyone knows of any others then please feel free to post.

Am sure there are many folks not really into UFO research who just unquestioningly accept these USAF debunks without a second look but if a person examines the case histories then many of the 'explanations' simply fail to stand up.

Heres a relevant statement made by Dr James E Mcdonald, an atmospherical physicist from the University of Arizona:

"As a result of several trips to project Bluebook,I´ve had an opportunity to examine quite carefully and in detail the types of reports that are made by Bluebook personnel.In most cases, I have found that theres almost no correlation between so-called "evaluations and explanations" that are made by Bluebook and the facts of the case... There are hundreds of good cases in the Air Force files that should have led to top-level scientific scrutiny of this problem,years ago,yet these cases have been swept under the rug in a most disturbing way by Project Bluebook investigators and their consultants."

Dr James McDonald -Senior physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and professor in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona

'UFO Symposium Casefiles'

Bluebook's chief scientific consultant Dr J Allen Hynek also stated in a 1968 letter that the project had conducted 'virtually no dialogue' with the outside scientific world and employed statistical methods that were 'nothing less than a travesty' - he also shares his thoughts below on Bluebook's debunking agenda and describes how they 'jumped handsprings' to keep the hot reports away from the public:

"When Major Quintanilla came in, the flag of the utter nonsense school was flying at its highest on the mast. Now he had a certain Sgt. Moody assisting him...Moody epitomized the conviction-before-trial method. Anything that he didn't understand or didn't like was immediately put into the psychological category, which meant "crackpot." He would not ever say that the person who reported a case was a fairly respectable person, maybe we should look into it, or maybe we should find out. He was also the master of the possible: possible balloon, possible aircraft, possible birds, which then became, by his own hand (and I argued with him violently at times), the probable; he said, well, we have no category "possible" aircraft. It is therefore either unidentified or aircraft. Well, it is more likely aircraft; therefore it is aircraft.... An "unidentified" to Moody was not a challenge for further research. To have it remain unidentified was a blot... and he did everything to remove it. He went back to cases from Captain Gregory's days and way back in Ruppelt's days and redid the files. A lot that were unidentified in those days he "identified" years and years later".

Dr J Allen Hynek, chief scientific consultant for Air Force investigations of UFOs from 1948 until 1969 (Projects Sign, Grudge and Blue Book).

'The UFO Experience'

Dr Jacques Vallee also doesn't sound too impressed in this clip and calls some Bluebook explanations 'completely ridiculous'.

See 1:05

"Governments took notice, organizing task forces, encouraging secret briefings and study groups, funding classified research and all the time denying before the public that any of the phenomena might be real. The major revelation of these Diaries may be the demonstration of how the scientific community was misled by the government, how the best data were kept hidden, and how the public record was shamelessly manipulated."

Dr. Jacques Vallee, astrophysicist, computer scientist 1992

'Forbidden Science'

Not to be outdone Richard Dolan also brings up some really interesting government documents in this vid including one from 1955 which discusses the need for 'reducing the number of Bluebook unknowns to a bare minimum'.

See 6:00

Blue Book Cooks Its Books

What was Blue Book in 1955?

It was an organization that..

(1) claimed to be the sole repository of military UFO reports, but was not;

(2) was under orders to use any means necessary to identify UFOs as conventional objects, regardless of how strained the explanation became;

(3) intentionally misled the public with meaningless and even fictitious statistics; and

(4) had a barely breathing investigative capability.

The conclusion is self-evident: Blue Book was the mask worn by the Air Force for public viewing. Its UFO reports and evaluations – intellectually dishonest in the extreme – can therefore have no scientific value whatsoever. The fact that the U.S. military and other official sources continue to use them tells us more about the organizations than it does about UFOs.

'UFOs And The National Security State'

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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 04:51 AM
Case examples:

• Minot AFB UFO, October 24th, 1968.

Pretty crazy UFO activity from Minot Air Force base in 1968, the unknown object was confirmed on ground/air radar and witnessed by several (separately located) military personnel - testimony found in video.

See 36:10

What we have, then, was a group of sightings made by men on the ground, at the missile sites scattered around the base. There was radar sightings from ground and weather's radar. There were visual sightings from the crew of the B-52, and an airborne radar sighting where the target traveled at 3,000 miles per hour. Scope photographs were taken. There were sightings made by S.Sgt. Bond the FSC at Nov. Flight, S.Sgt. Smith at Oscar-1, Julelt, and Mike Flight Team and a number of men in widely scattered locations. The object landed at location AA-43 and the entire observation lasted for 45 minutes. Fourteen other people in separate locations also reported the UFO.


Main Research Site:

The Minot AFB UFO Case | 24 OCTOBER 1968 | Documents | Interviews | Analysis

Bluebook Explanation:

Twinkling stars

The sighting was officially explained by on November 13, by Lt. Col. Hector Quintanilla who wrote, "The following conclusions have been reached after a thorough study of the data submitted to Foreign Technology Division. The ground visual sightings appear to be of the star Sirius and the B-52, which was flying in the area.


• Edwards AFB, October 7th, 1965.

Another very strange radar/visual from Edwards Air force base in 1965 involving several UFOs over a secure military runway - the objects were witnessed by several military personnel, confirmed by multiple radar and a fighter jet was scrambled to go after them.

Francis Ridge:

Air Traffic Controller Chuck Sorrels:

"I spotted a group of luminous objects in the air above and around Edwards Air Force Base. They had a flashing red light on the bottom, with a green, glowing light above the red.They also sometimes flashed or glowed a white light above the green light. The sightings lasted until about daylight, 5:30 or six a.m. At first I sighted one object, which was larger and brighter than the rest. At one point there were seven objects visible at the same time. The objects would be stationary for a period of time and then move very fast to another location and appeared to be able to climb straight up in short order.. Good eyesight and my experience as an air traffic controller made it plain to me that these luminous objects were not planes, helicopters, stars, satellites, weather balloons or any other known aerial object. These were objects out of the normal, from their appearance and flight characteristics. I reported these sightings to base operations and the Los Angeles Air Defense Sector. The objects were also seen by at least five other people on Edwards Air Force Base. They were also seen by George Air Force Base tower and were showing up on radar in at least four different radar sight locations"




PDF File:

Bluebook Documents (pdf)

USAF Explanation:

Stars and Atmospheric anomalies

• Kirtland AFB UFO, Nov 4th, 1957.

Another very intriguing radar/visual UFO incident from Kirtland Air Force Base in which two air tower control officers witnessed a very strange egg-shaped object 'with no wings, tail, or fuselage' hover and then fly across the runway on November 4th, 1957 (lots of very similar reports around same time).

"A lighted object came down steeply at the east end of runway 26, left the flight line, crossed runways, taxiways, and unpaved areas at about a 30 degree angle, and proceeded southwest towards the control tower at an altitude of less than 100 feet. Observed through through 7x binoculars, the object appeared to be eggshaped, having no wings, tail, or fuselage, and was elongated vertically"


The Kirtland 1957 UFO Incident Directory

PDF File:

The Kirtland Airfield UFO by Dr James E. McDonald

USAF explanation:


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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 04:55 AM
• White Sands Missile Range, Nov 3rd, 1957.

The day before (Nov 3rd, 1957) and another egg shaped object reported over White Sands Missile Range - a high altitude research engineer on the base also received sunburn from a 'large, whitish egg-shaped object' on the 4th.

The White Sands Jeep Patrol UFO Incident

White Sands Military Police Patrols.

At 3:00 a.m. (MST) - 4:00 a.m. Levelland time - November 3, two military policemen on routine patrol at the White Sands missile range, reported an egg-shaped UFO which descended over the base.

Cpl. Glenn H. Toy and Pfc. James Wilbanks, patrolling in a jeep, noticed a "very bright object" high in the sky. The object descended to a point about 50 yards above a bunker which was used during the first atomic bomb explosion. Then its light blinked out. A few minutes later the light flared up again, becoming bright "like the sun," dropped toward the ground on a slant about 3 miles away and disappeared. According to Lt. Penney, the M.P.'s described the UFO as egg-shaped, and about 75-100 yards in diameter. Cpl. Toy stated: "It looked like a completely controlled landing."

That evening, about 8:00 p.m., Sp. 3/C Forest R. Oakes and Sp. 3/C Barlow, on another two-man jeep patrol, reported seeing an unidentified light hanging above the old A-bomb bunker. Oakes described it as "200 or 300 feet long. . . very bright." The patrol was about 2-3 miles west of the bunker. As the M.P.'s watched, the UFO took off climbing at a 45 degree angle, its light pulsating on and off. Moving slowly, sometimes stopping, the UFO gradually diminished to a point of light "like a big star," and finally disappeared

White Sands Engineer:

About 17 hours after the second jeep patrol sighting at White Sands, James Stokes, a high altitude research engineer at the base, watched an elliptical UFO maneuver over the area. Stokes also looked up and saw a large, whitish egg-shaped object moving in and out of clouds to the northeast, in the direction of the Sacramento Mountains, The UFO made a shallow dive, turned and crossed the highway a few miles ahead. As the UFO flashed by, Stokes felt a wave of heat. (His face later appeared "sunburned.")

Moving at fantastic speed, the featureless object turned sharply and disappeared over the Organ Pass west of the base. In a taped interview broadcast on station KALG, Stokes estimated the speed at 2500 mph.It was "definitely a solid object," he said.

Section 12

USAF explanation:


The Army jeep patrols sightings were evaluated as "astronomical." The release said:
"Astro plots indicate Venus is at magnitude at the time, place and direction of the first patrol's observation, and the Moon, with scattered clouds, was in general direction of the second patrol's observation."

Section 9

• Levelland UFO wave - 2nd / 3rd November, 1957.

Following on from all the egg shaped UFO reports around the beginning of Nov, 1957 - there were also quite a few extremely strange oval / ellipsoid shaped objects being witnessed in separate locations around Levelland - EM effects also reported.

CBS Newscast of November 3, 1957.

The most striking feature of this sighting wave was the concentration of "electromagnetic effect" cases around the west Texas town of Levelland. There were at least eight such reports in the space of 2.5 hours in an area to the west, north and east of Levelland:

At 10:30 p.m. came the report from truck driver Pedro Saucedo, who described seeing a blue torpedo-shaped object with yellow flame and white smoke coming out of its rear. He estimated it was 200 feet (60 meters) long and 6 feet (2 meters) wide. His truck lights and engine failed while the UFO was in view; after it disappeared, his lights worked perfectly, and he was able to re-start the engine.

At Pettit, Texas, 10 miles (16 km) to the northwest, two grain combines failed as a UFO flew past: "shortly before midnight, Jim Wheeler reported seeing a large 200 feet (60 meters) elliptical object on the road; as he drove toward it, his car lights and engine failed. The UFO rose and flew off, and when it blinked off, his lights came back on and he was able to re-start his engine."

At the same time, Jose Alvarez's car lights and engine died when he saw a glowing, 200 feet (60 meters) UFO nearby. After the object flew away, his lights came back on and he was able to re-start his engine.

At about 12:05am, college student Newell Wright's car lights and engine failed. He got out to fix them, looked up and saw a glowing, bluish-green, flat-bottomed, oval object on the highway. The object was in sight for four or five minutes. During that time, Wright tried to start his engine, and while the starter made contact, the motor was unaffected. The object disappeared, straight up, and immediately the car lights came back on, the engine started, and then operated perfectly...

By 01:30am, Hockley County Sheriff Weir Clem had heard so many reports that he decided to see for himself. He drove out with a deputy sheriff, and saw a large oval red light, though he did not experience electrical system problems. Years later he said:"The object was shaped like a huge football and had bright white lights. The blinding lights flashed on, it went right over the car and was gone. No living human being could believe how fast it traveled. The whole thing was as bright as day; it lit up the whole area."

USAF Explanation:

Electrical storm

Project Blue Book sent a single investigator to Levelland to check the reports. His explanation, accepted as the official Air Force conclusion, was that:

"... the major cause for the Levelland case was a severe electrical storm. The storm stimulated the populace into a high level of excitement.


Atmospheric physicist Dr. James McDonald completed a study and determined that there had been no storm in the area, and thus no source of excessive moisture to interfere with the automobiles' electrical systems:

"In a two-hour period near midnight, November 2-3, 1957, nine different vehicles all exhibited ignition failures, and many suffered headlight failures as objects described as about 100-200 ft long, glowing with a general reddish or bluish glow, were encountered on roads in the vicinity of the small community of Levelland, Tex.
This series of incidents became national headline news until officially explained in terms of ball lightning and wet ignitions. However, on checking weather data, I found that there were no thunderstorms anywhere close to Levelland that night, and there was no rain capable of wetting ignitions. Although I have not located any of the drivers involved, I have interviewed Sheriff Weir Clem of Levelland and a Levelland newspaperman, both of whom investigated the incidents that night. They confirmed the complete absence of rain or lightning activity. The incidents cannot be regarded as explained."

With no "severe electrical storm" to "stimulate the populace into a high level of excitement," the official explanation falls apart.

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• Portage County Police UFO Chase, April 17th, 1966.

Multiple officer/civilian UFO case involving an unknown object 'putting out light beams', performing highly unusual flight characteristics and emitting a buzzing or humming noise which went up in pitch as the object accelerated.

Initial sightings resulted in a 86 mile car chase and probably one of the most controversial explanations (and lazy investigations) in Bluebook history.

Police Testimony:

"I always look behind me so no one can come up behind me. And when I looked in this wooded area behind us, I saw this thing.... As it came over the trees, I looked at Barney and he was still watching the car.. and he didn't say nothing and the thing kept getting brighter and the area started to get light..."

The object was about fifty feet in diameter, with a bright, well-defined light beam shining down from the bottom.

"When Barney Neff saw the object he just stood there with his mouth open for a minute as bright as it was, and he looked down. And I started looking down and I looked at my hands and my clothes weren't burning or anything, when it stopped right over on top of us. The only thing, the only sound in the whole area was a hum... like a transformer being loaded or an overloaded transformer when it changes..."

They broke for their patrol car. Once safely inside, Spaur radioed a quick report. A Sergeant Schoenfelt told them to follow the object. They chased the object at speeds of up to 100 mph as it headed east, constantly reporting their position on the radio to allow other officers to follow the chase.

As the object moved to the east, Officer H. Wayne Huston of East Palestine, Ohio joined in the chase. He had been listening to the radio reports, and when he saw the object pass overhead with Spaur and Neff close behind, he took off in pursuit.

The chase continued across the state line into Pennsylvania, and as Spaur's vehicle got low on gas, he pulled over to enlist the aid of a Conway, Pennsylvania officer. When Spaur stopped, so did the object. They phoned the Air Force from Conway, and minutes later over the radio they heard that jet fighters were being scrambled to intercept the object. The object had other plans, however, and it suddenly shot straight up and vanished.

Frank Panzenella, a Conway, PA police officer said:

"The object was the shape of half a football, was very bright and about 25 to 35 feet in diameter.... The object continued to go upward until it got as small as a ballpoint pen. Relative to the moon, the object was quite distant and to the left of the moon. We all four watched the object shoot straight up and disappear."

Spaur stated:

"Somebody had control over it. It wasn't just an object floating around. It can manoeuver."

USAF Debunkery:


The official Air Force evaluation has concluded that the case is explained "by an astronomical phenomenon." When asked for details, they explained that the officers had seen a satellite at first, and then had chased the planet Venus for forty-odd miles. Absolutely none of the witness and investigators could agree with this perfectly ridiculous explanation..

The investigation by Major Quintanilla actually consisted in a two minutes and a half phone call to the sole Dale Spaur, starting with this question: "tell me about this mirage you saw."

Link 1 / 2

Police statement:

"I've seen Venus many times, but I never saw Venus 50 feet above a road and moving from side to side like this was..."

Portage County Sheriff Ross Dustman to United Press International.

• Michigan, March, 1966.

The Michigan UFO sighting wave of March, 1966 where multiple town residents and police officers witnessed objects 'covered with red, green and blue lights zooming about at tree-top level' - one object even buzzed a police patrol car and the local sheriff stated that 'reports of UFOs have become so numerous recently that I haven't slept in 24 hours'.

Washtenaw County sheriffs and police in neighboring jurisdictions reported disc-shaped objects moving at fantastic speeds and making sharp turns, diving and climbing, and hovering. At one point, four UFOs in straight-line formation were observed. Selfridge AFB confirmed tracking UFOs over Lake Erie at 4:56 a.m. Their stories were backed up by more than 100 witnesses.

Newspaper archives:

1966 UFO Sightings | Ann Arbor District Library

UFOs at close sight: Hillsdale, Michigan, 1966, the Swamp Gas affair.

Official explanation:

"Swamp Gas"

Possible origin of Dr Hynek´s "Swamp Gas" explanation:

In interviewing Washtenaw County Sheriff Doug Harvey for the article, the former Sheriff explained how he had taken Hynek to the Frank Mannor farm near Dexter for some on site investigation. The sheriff described how Hynek interviewed witnesses and sloshed around in the swamp for a time in an attempt to determine what the many witnesses had seen a few nights earlier. The Sheriff then brought Hynek back to the Sheriff's headquarters located in Ann Arbor.

According to Harvey, they talked for a time about the sighting and Hynek admitted he didn't know what the witnesses had seen on the Mannor farm.

"That's when the phone call came in," Harvey told me.

"What phone call I asked?"

Harvey said, "it was a call for Hynek and it was from Washington."

"How did you know it was from Washington," I replied.

"Because the dispatcher stepped into the office and said, 'Dr. Hynek, you've got a call from Washington.'"

Harvey told me that Hynek stepped out of the office to take the call and then returned in a few minutes looking a bit perplexed. And then, according to the sheriff, Hynek said, "it's swamp gas they saw, swamp gas."

It was a short time later that Hynek held the infamous press conference at the Detroit Press Club and suggested that a possible explanation for the recent sightings might have been marsh or swamp gas. The explanation became a front page story the next day in papers across the country and Hynek became the butt of jokes and cartoons. He was ridiculed to such an extent that Michigan Congressman Gerald Ford (later President Ford) asked for a Congressional investigation. It was one of Hynek's worst moments.

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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 04:59 AM
• Griffiss AFB, April 8th, 1956.

Griffiss Air Force Base advises commercial airliner to abandon landing and follow UFO:

AF "Requests" Plane Loaded With Passengers To Chase UFO - April 8, 1956, New York State

10:15 p.m. (EST) Capt. Raymond E. Ryan, First Officer William Neff, flight attendant Phyllis Reynolds, and passengers, took off in an airliner from Albany heading N then nearly due W (about 280° True) at 260 mph and 6,000 ft N of Schenectady when a brilliant white light about 2-3 miles away was spotted about 90° to the left appearing like an airliner heading in to land at Albany.

The white light moved about 90° to dead ahead position about 8-10 miles away at high speed estimated at about 800-1,000 mph where it changed color to orange and seemed to block the airliner’s path or risk collision, disappeared briefly, reappeared as an orange light again but standing still ahead of the airliner to the W.

Airliner contacted Griffiss AFB, Rome, NY, where controllers asked pilot to turn lights off and on to help identify aircraft and was told airliner was seen and the orange UFO to the S.
Airliner was ordered to maintain course to follow the UFO to the W, skipping its scheduled landing at Syracuse after nearly 30 mins of following the object. Promised fighter jet interception was not seen. Object disappeared at high speed to the NW (or N) towards Oswego, NY.

Newsclipping 1 / 2

Television Interview with pilots:

Commercial Plane Follows UFO.

April 8, 1956: A very brilliant light was followed across New York State by an American Airlines plane. The pilots were Capt. Raymond Ryan and First Officer William Neff. The chase was described by radio to Air Force and civilian control tower operators. The following account of the sighting is taken from a tape-recorded interview program, "Meet the Millers," On WBEN TV, Buffalo, New York, April 16, 1956


Air Force Explanation:


Re: April 8, 1956 sighting by Capt. Raymond Ryan, American Airlines pilot:

"The Air Force concluded that the object viewed during this sighting was the planet Venus."

Air Force "fact sheet", 1963.


• The Red Bluff UFO incident - August 13th, 1960.

Really interesting case and police officers described the object 'sweeping the area with a huge red light' and performing aerial feats that were 'actually unbelievable' - EM effects also reported.


California Highway Patrol Officers Charles A. Carson and Stanley Scott were on patrol when they sighted what they thought was an airliner about to crash. When the UFO had descended to about 100 or 200 feet altitude it suddenly reversed direction and climbed to 500 ft. Description: round or oblong surrounded by a glow (color not mentioned) and having definite red lights at each end. They continued to watch the UFO as it performed "unbelievable" aerial feats.

Police Testimony:

Officers Charles A. Carson and Stanley Scott of the California Highway Patrol were on patrol near Red Bluff, California, at about 11:50 p.m., when they saw a large illuminated object apparently falling from the sky. Thinking it was an airliner crashing, they quickly stopped and leaped out of the patrol car to get a position fix.

"The first thing we noticed was an absolute silence,"

Carson stated in his official report.

"We continued to watch until the object was probably within 100 feet to 200 feet off the ground, when it suddenly reversed completely, at high speed, and gained approximately 500 feet altitude. There the object stopped."

It was an oblong or elliptical object with a definite red light at each extremity. In between the red lights, about five white lights could be seen occasionally.

"As we watched the object moved again and performed aerial feats that were actually unbelievable... The object was capable of moving in any direction. Up and down. Back and forth... It moved at high (extremely) speeds and several times we watched it change directions or reverse itself while moving at unbelievable speeds."

Twice the object came directly toward them; each time it turned and "swept the area with a huge red light.

"Officer Scott turned the red light on the patrol vehicle towards the object, and it immediately went away from us. We observed the object use the red beam approximately 6 or 7 times, sweeping the sky and ground areas."

When the object was closest to them, they experienced radio interference.

As the object began moving off to the east, they attempted to follow it. At a point near the Vina Plains Fire Station they saw a second similar object approach the first. "Both stopped, remaining in that position for some time, occasionally emitting the red beam." Both then disappeared to the east.

Carson and Scott talked with several deputies at the Tehama County Sheriff's office who had also seen the UFO and observed the same maneuvers. The sighting lasted a little over two hours. The UFO was estimated to be about 150 feet in its longest dimension.


NICAP Case Directory

PDF File:

UFOs: Greatest Scientific Problem of Our Times? - Dr James Edward McDonald

USAF Explanation:

Refraction of Mars, Aldebaran and Betelgeuse

"The findings are that the individuals concerned witnessed a refraction of the planet Mars and the bright stars Aldebaran and Betelgeux. . . Temperature inversions contributed to the phenomena as the planet Mars was quite low in the skies and the inversion caused it to be projected upward."


Apparently the three celestial objects weren't even in the sky at the time so they then changed the explanation to 'Capella'.

The Bluebook explanation that came out after a few days attributed this very detailed, close range sighting of a large object, seen by two experienced officers to "refraction of the planet Mars and the two bright stars Aldebaran and Betelgeuse".

NICAP referred the question to one of their astronomical advisors, who found that none of these three celestial objects were even in the California skies at that time. Bluebook then changed the explanation to read Mars and Capella. Capella, the only one of those celestial bodies that was even in the sky at 2300, was nowhere near the location of the sighted object, and could not, of course, give the impression of the various movements clearly described by the officers.


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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 05:00 AM
Some of these debunks do get quite funny after a while - here's one about 9000mph seagulls.

• Goose Bay, Labrador, 1948.

Summer 1948; Goose Bay, Labrador

Major Edwin A. Jerome, USAF (Ret.) reported the following information to NICAP in 1961. Major Jerome was a Command Pilot, Air Provost Marshal for about 8 years, and also served as an Intelligence Officer and CID Investigator.

"My only real contact with the UFO problem was way back in the summer of 1948 while stationed at Goose Bay, Labrador. There an incident happened which is worthy of note. It seems that a high-ranking inspection team was visiting the radar facilities of this base whose mission at the time was to serve as a prime refueling and servicing air base for all military and civilian aircraft plying the north Atlantic air routes. GCA [Ground Control Approach radar] was a critical part of this picture, thus these high-ranking officers RCAF & USAF up to the rank of General as I recall.

"While inspecting the USAF radar shack, the operator noted a high-speed target on his scope going from NE to SW. Upon computation of the speed it was found to be about 9000 mph. This incident caused much consternation in the shack since obviously this was no time for levity or miscalculations in the presence of an inspecting party. The poor airman technician was brought to task for his apparent miscalculation. Again the target appeared and this time the inspectors were actually shown the apparition on the radar screen. The only reaction to this was that obviously the American equipment was way off calibration.

"The party then proceeded to the Canadian side to inspect the RCA"' GCA facility Upon their arrival the OIC related his most unbelievable target they had just seen. The inspecting officers were appalled that such a coincidence should happen. I was part of the meager intelligence reporting machinery at the base and I was called in to make an immediate urgent intelligence report on the incident. The prevailing theory at the time was that it was a meteor. I personally discounted this since upon interviewing the radar observers on both sides of the base they stated that it maintained an altitude of 60,000 feet and a speed of approximately 9000 mph.

To make this story more incredible the very next day both radars again reported an object hovering over the base at about 10 mph, at 45,000 feet.

Official debunk:

The "official" story on this was that they were probably some type of "high-flying sea gulls."


• Dayton, Ohio, March 8th,1950.


An extraordinary encounter took place on March 8th,1950, once again right over ATIC in Dayton. In mid morning,TWA pilot Capt.W .H. Kerr reported to the Civil Aeronautics Administration (CAA) that he and two other TWA pilots saw a UFO hovering at a high altitude.

The pilots were unaware that CAA had received over twenty other reports describing a UFO in the area.

ATIC contol tower operators saw the object,and the radar had an unidentified target in the same position.Something was up there.

Wright Patterson AFB sent four F-51 fighters to intercept.Two of the pilots saw the object,which appeared round and,in the words of one of them, "huge and metallic".

It appeared to be hiding in a cloud formation,which prevented the pilots from closing on it. They eventualy turned back.The Master Sergeant who tracked the object on radar stated

"The target was a good,solid return....caused by a good,solid target", Witnesses reported that the UFO climbed verticaly out of sight at high speed.

A report was sent to the Civil Aeronautics Authority in Washington,then turned over to Air Force Intelligence.

USAF explanation.


ATIC's official answer was that the UFO had been the planet Venus.

The pilots and radar men vehemently disagreed.


• Chorwon, Korea, 30th May 1952.


Several U.S. soldiers saw a bright UFO that looked like a falling star,except that it stopped falling and began to climb again. It then moved northeast at about 150mph, reversed course twice,then climbed at a forty five degree angle and faded from sight.
One guard reported a pulsating sound from the object.

An Air Intelligence Information Report stated that an F-94 attempted to intercept this object. The pilot described it as round,of unknown size, "brilliant white" and leaving no exhaust.

It undertook clearly evasive maneuvers and pulled away from the F-94 at thirty thousand feet.

According to this intelligence report,"the object possessed a superior speed, superior climbing ability and was able to turn equally as well as the F-94"

Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During The Korean War - Richard F. Haines

Blue Book's evaluation:

Balloon with flare.

Two more taken from the Chop Clearance list.

• Presque Isle, Maine, Jan 29th, 1953.

Gray Oval Sighted By 3 Fighter Aircraft

A nice example of an utterly ludicrous BB explanation.A "dark grey oval", 3/4 the apparent size of a dime at arm's length, which explicitly did not shine or emit or reflect light of any kind, pursued for 4 mins, in bright daylight, on a continuous heading of 70deg.

Conclusion "Venus, at 100deg".




• Laredo, Texas, Dec 4th, 1952.

The Laredo / "Earl Fogle" Case

This case is a Gorman-like aerial duel UFO case from Laredo, Texas, Dec 4, 1952, from the BB files (via Jan Aldrich and BB Archive).

This is a classic example of Ruppelt falsifying case details he was personally familiar with to force a UFO Unknown into a phony IFO category, one he knew for a fact was utterly false. Ruppelt personally sent the TWX on Dec 10 that resulted in the Dec 15 Air Intelligence Information Report on Dec 15 with the full pilot report and the investigator data that revealed that the Weather Bureau balloon had been released at 2053 CST. Ruppelt's handwriting is on one BB typed summary correcting a word.


Two maritime reports:

• MV Coolsingel - October19th, 1958.

The Dutch Merchant vessel Coolsingel was on its way from Norfolk, VA, to Bremen, Germany when 23:20 local time they had a UFO sighting. The two witnesses who were on the bridge and saw the object were Second Officer J. Van Tiel and the Lookout J. Del Rio Fiera. The witnesses saw two two bright white spheres connected by a rod of white light that looked like a row of connected portholes. One sphere was in front and the other was in the rear of the object.

Fig 22 shows a drawing made by one of the witnesses:

Blue Book UFO Reports by Ships at Sea (pdf)

Bluebook Explanation


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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 05:04 AM
• SS Danfjord -January 21st,1956.

This UFO report was obtained from the logbook of the civilian Danish ship SS Danfjord by ONI Officers.
It was sent to the Director of the Office of Naval intelligence per ONI instruction 3820.19B and 3820.17C.

The report indicates that the Second Mate had a night sighting of a UFO when about 210 miles SE of Bermuda.
The object baffled the second mate because at first it looked like a falling star but then it stopped falling,changed direction and changed its appearance.

Second Mates full report at link.

Blue Book UFO Reports by Ships at Sea (pdf)

Bluebook Explanation


• Davis-Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona, May 1st, 1952.

Case Briefing

Early in the 1952 UFO sighting wave two discs approached and paced a B-36 bomber in the vicinity of Davis-Monthan AFB, Tucson, Arizona. On May 1, 1952, Major Rudy Pestalozzi, a base intelligence officer, along with an airmajn, looked up as a B-36 flew overhead and saw two shiny discs overtake the bomber, slow to its speed and position themselves alongside.

The bomber crew, startled by the experience, made an unscheduled landing at the base and were interrogated at length by Major Pestalozzi, who happened to be the base UFO officer. Members of the flight crew had crowded into the starboard blister aft of the wing and looked down at a slight angle to see the closest disc, which was lens- or double-disc-shaped and about 20-25 feet in diameter. After about 20 seconds, the objects peeled off at an angle of 70-80 degrees from the flight path of the B-36 and sped away.

Major Pestalozzi sent a comprehensive report of the incident to Project Blue Book.

Pilot Illustration


PDF File:

Comprehensive Catalogue of 1,700 Project Bluebook Unknowns

Excerpt from Richard Dolan's book 'UFOs and the National Security State':

The first day of the month set the tone,involving a classic case near Davis-Montham Air Force base, later investigated by Dr James Mcdonald, in which an Air intelligence officer,a B-36 crew,and an airman witnessed two shiny,round objects overtake their plane. The objects slowed down to match the plane's speed and remained in formation with them for about twenty seconds. At that point they made a very sharp no radius turn away from the B-36, flew away a bit, then one of the objects stopped and hovered. Both objects were silent. The bluebook team dismissed the case as 'aircraft'


USAF Debunk:

Objects were 'aircraft'.

• The Selfridge AFB UFO incident, Michigan, March 3, 1950.

The Air Force was really impressed by this observation, which led the Air Adjunct General, Headquarters Continental Air Command, Mitchell Air Force Base, New York, to send the following letter, classified "secret," to the Director of Intelligence, Headquarters, USAF, Washington, D.C.:


Attached for your information are two narrative reports concerning radar sightings of an unidentified flying object.

2. The fact that the object was sighted on the scopes of two radars is considered worthy of special note.

3. Comment of technical experts, this headquarters, was solicited and is quoted in part for your consideration.

a. ..Further, the magnitude of velocity and accelerations of the three dimensional movements of the "objects" reported are beyond the capability of known behavior of lighter than air vehicles in controlled flight.

b. Also substantiating this unlikelihood is the fact that the "object" was reported as remaining stationary in free space for a mean period of two minutes.

c. Further validity is lent to the contention of the reports by statements that first indications, which were at high altitudes, were observed on the CPS-4 height-finder before being observed on the CPS-5 surveillance radar set..

In summary, no known electronic phenomena, nor combinations of several electronic phenomena could conceivably produce all of the observations covered by the attached reports.

4. The frequency of reports of this nature has recently increased; instructions have therefore been directed to all radar installations within this command to report scope sightings of unusual objects.

S/ Neal J. O' Brien,
Col., USAF, Air Adjutant General,
for the Commanding General

Selfridge AFB, Michigan, March 3, 1950


USAF/Project Bluebook Conclusion:

"Probable balloon."

• Redlands UFO, Feb 4th, 1968.

Dr Hynek's comment on this one pretty much sums things up.

On February 4, 1968, about two hundred residents of Redlands, California, either saw or heard what was apparently the same huge, low-flying, disk-shaped object as it passed overhead. A minister conducting services in a church in Redlands was recording his sermon at the time and obtained a recording of the sound, which many people present described as a high-pitched, modulated whining sound.

Witness Report Similar Sounds / Link 1 / 2

Dr Hynek on the Redlands UFO case:

"The discrepancy between what was reported and the Blue Book evaluation is so great as to be laughable"

USAF explanation:


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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 05:11 AM
Lots of other examples out there in the literature and according to well respected researcher Brad Sparks 'about 30 or 40 per cent of Bluebook cases may have been miscategorized by the USAF as 'identified' and the true number of credible cases grossly underestimated.'

"Much more disturbing are the indications from my limited review of BB cases that there may be as many as possibly 4,000 Unexplained UFO cases miscategorized as IFO's in the BB files. McDonald similarly stated in 1968 at his CASI lecture that from his review of BB cases he estimated that 30-40% of 12,000 cases were Unexplained, or about 3,600 to 4,800. These are mostly military cases and many involve radar".

Comprehensive Catalog of 1700 Project BLUE BOOK UFO Unknowns (PDF File)

He also mentions here how there are 'approximately 225,000 pages of USAF UFO documents languishing in the National Archives and never yet fully studied by researchers since their public release in 1976'.

Also, despite all the highly dubious debunkery and claims of 're-editing' (or blatant substitution) of official unexplained summary cards 'to reduce the number of unknowns at any cost' there are instances of official unexplained UFO reports going 'missing' (or being sent somewhere other than Project Bluebook).

• Article dealing the 4602d Air Intelligence Service Squadron and the mystery of extra 1000 unexplained UFO incident reports which went missing along the way:

In other words the Air Force didn't appear to want the public to know the results of there own study of UFOs.
It is also worthy of noting that Air Force Blue Book recorded 2,344 sightings in the 1947 through 1952 time period. Special Report Number 14 said that the Air Force recorded 3,201 reports. This is nearly one thousand more reports than listed by Blue Book. Where did the extra reports come from? Many suspect that these reports were collected by the 4602 AISS and that only reports which had more mundane explanations ever reached Blue Book.


More 'missing' UFO reports from Bluebook, this time dealing with cases involving UFOs over nuclear installations:

Almost from the beginning of the Air Force UFO investigations, patterns were starting to emerge, and the cover-up was already in place. Researcher & NCP member, Jan Aldrich notes:

In a 1952 LOOK article, Ruppelt mentions a file of 63 cases of UFOs over nuclear installations, but such a file is not in currently declassified Blue Book files.

NCP-16: National Security, Missing Files, The Nuclear Key

UFO reports which could affect national security were 'not part of the Bluebook system'.

USAF General Carroll Bolender, October 20th, 1969:

"Moreover, reports of unidentified flying objects which could affect national security are made in accordance with JANAP 146 or Air Force Manual, and are not part of the Blue Book system.."


• Bluebook Special Report 14 (BBSR14)

Stanton Friedman's archival work also exposed how the Secretary of the Air Force lied to the American public about BBSR14 which found that 'the better the quality of the sighting report, the more likely it was unexplainable'; that 'UNKNOWNS were observed for longer than KNOWNS' and that less than 2% of reports fell in the hoax category.

USAF attempts to mislead the public on numbers.

This was a good report, but the Air Force deliberately tried to mislead the public. The report actually showed that 21.5% of the sightings were unknowns. However, the first page of the report contains the press release which stated that only 3% percent of the sightings were unknowns. (This only represented reports received in early 1955 and not reports in the actual study which covered 1947-1952.) The Air Force also tried to weight the report by removing astronomical phenomena from the study. This had an effect of showing that known and unknown sightings were more similar (using characteristics such as color, speed, number of objects, aerial maneuvers etc.) However, dropping astronomical phenomena didn't much difference in the outcome of the report, but it illustrates how the Air Force was trying to deceive the public. In other words the Air Force didn't appear to want the public to know the results of there own study of UFOs.


When it comes to Battelle Memorial Institute's BB14 actual unknown 20% unexplained rate (21.5% out of 3201 cases) then Captain Ruppelt also describes the classification status below.

[To be classed as an unknown, a UFO report also had to be "good," meaning that it had to come from a competent observer and had to contain a reasonable amount of data..

USAF Captain Edward J. Ruppelt's "Report on Unidentified Flying Objects", pp.9-10

• Misrepresentation of official unexplained report percentages:

Based upon unreliable and unscientific surmises as data, the Air Force develops elaborate statistical findings which seem impressive to the uninitiated public unschooled in the fallacies of the statistical method. One must conclude that the highly publicized Air Force pronouncements based upon unsound statistics serve merely to misrepresent the true character of the UFO phenomena."

Yale Scientific Magazine (Yale University) Volume XXXVII, Number 7, April 1963

Always seem to hear the 5% 'residue' figure bandied about by debunkers on cheesy TV shows when think it's fair to say the general consensus from official government UFO studies is far more like a conservative 20%.

Captain Ruppelt states a 25% unexplained rate in this article.


• Dr Hynek also states below that about 20 percent of Bluebook cases could not be explained (great interview).

Historic Film Stock

The Amazing World of Kreskin (1972-1975) Show No. 43

Video Link

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• Researcher Kevin Randle on numbers:

"There are many such cases in the Blue Book files. Cases in which the solutions are simply not borne out of the documentation available. Yet we continue to hear about only 701 unidentified cases when the number is probably closer to 5000 when the solutions are examined carefully and those labeled as insufficient data are included. Insufficient data is not a solution, but is a label other than unidentified"

Project Blue Book Declassified - Really?

• Researcher George Fawcett on numbers:

"I have found there are real objects under in intelligent control being seen on the ground and in our skies worldwide. The unknowns have varied over the decades from 22 percent in my own civilian files, 30 percent in the University of Colorda Condon Committee scientific studies, to at least 40 percent (recently revised) found in the U.S. Air Force Project Blue Book military investigations. This is not acceptable, no matter who is doing the investigations"

George Fawcett, UFO researcher (Ronald Story, Encyclopedia)

‘Curious George of UFOs’ devotes 40 years to study'

Also, not to go on about it but there's a 1949 Government document below sent to the Director of Intelligence entitled which it states that only 20% of UFO incidents have been explained.

Title: Unusual Incidents

To: Director of Intelligence, General Staff, U.S. Army

Authors: C. P. Cabell, Major General, USAF, Director of Intelligence, Office of Deputy Chief of Staff, Operations.

Date: February 23, 1949

Length: 1 page.

Classification: CONFIDENTIAL

Reports that detailed investigations of all UFO incidents reported from June 1946 to date have been conducted and only 20% have been explained. "There is no tangible evidence which would support a theory that any incidents are attributable to activity of a foreign nation. The Air Materiel Command of the USAF is continuing investigations of each unexplained event."


Won't even bother with the Condon report unexplained rate (30% possibly 50%) but probably worth pointing out that the author never investigated even one case and wrote the summary whilst completely neglecting the contents of the report - for folks further interested then Stanford University astrophysicist Peter Sturrock conducted some great work exposing the 'huge disconnecton' between Condon’s conclusions and the actual reports of the scientists who conducted the research and how many of his final summaries were 'variously misleading, false or inaccurate'.


• Background history - official UFO investigations:

• Rare clip from Australian TV featuring Dr James E. McDonald:

Science In Default: 22 Years Of Inadequate UFO Investigations

• Professor Michael Swords on the US Government, UFOs and intelligent motion (sourced by Easynow).


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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 05:32 AM
Exceptional and exemplary OP.

THIS. This is ATS

Thank you karl

posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 05:44 AM
High quality information is so rare these days.

The truth is out there (for real)

Thank you

posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 06:33 AM
This is the stuff that originally brought me to ATS. Sadly its rare now.

posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 07:45 AM
Well thanks for the replies, it really is pretty amazing just how much UFO research is disappearing from the internet these days (for whatever reason) but hopefully the posted links and files won't get 404'd and the YT videos will stay up.

Atmospherical physicist Dr James McDonald once called these USAF explanations 'absurdly erroneous' and I think he got it pretty much spot on - especially when you consider that Bluebook was claiming to be 'a systematic study of unidentified flying objects' with a view to 'scientifically analyze UFO-related data'.

Below are two more examples from Major Quintanilla's era - Klass and Menzel had also managed to wangle their way onto Bluebook by then and there really were some truly ridiculous UFO explanations and pretty nasty character assassination of UFO witnesses (link).

• Sharman, Texas, 1965.

Bright blue UFO confirmed and tracked on radar from Oklahoma witnessed hovering at about 45 degrees elevation over Highway 82 in Sherman, Texas - unknown object also seen by Police officer 30 miles to the North and Civil Servant 7 miles to the South.


History of the United States Air Force UFO Programs

Bluebook Debunkery:

Planets / stars

The objects observed may have been the planet Jupiter or the stars Rigel, Capella, Betelguese or Aldebaran which were visible at the time of the reported sightings.


• Wayne City, Illinois, 1963.

Two motorists witness a big, white object 'about the size of a washtub' moving along at treetop level (about 20-degrees above the horizon to the southwest) near Wayne City, Illinois - the UFO then paces their vehicle for several miles zig-zagging over the road before hovering over the car and causing electromagnetic interference effects on the radio and engine.


1963, The Wayne City, Illinois Car Chase

Bluebook Debunkery:

Refuelling Aircraft or Venus

The AF, and especially Quintanilla, were ridiculing many witnesses who claimed sightings of UFOs. The "explanation" issued after the investigation was "a refueling operation" or the "planet Venus". The AF must have considered this case important. They had flown in the special team of physicists from Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio. Normally, when investigating a case, they would send the local "UFO officer" from the nearest airbase

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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 07:45 AM
Great stuff Karl. Plenty of detail to digest. Especially with Blue Book. It started out with good intentions but was always woefully underfunded and under staffed. Capt. Ruppelt made genuine efforts in the early 50s and did take a more professional approach. But with the 1952 incident panic set in and its objectives changed.

Everything was geared towards dampening down the public's enthusiasm for 'flying saucers'. Much of that was not due to fear of an invasion from outer space. But that a flood of reports could leave US air defences exposed to the Soviet infiltration. Ruppelt had stepped down. By 1954 the 4602nd AISS [as you mentioned] stealthily began to investigate any UFO cases deemed of intelligence or national security implications. That left Blue Book as little more than a PR desk dealing with public reports. Most of the appointed Project's Heads were at best apathetic and at worst would literally cook the books by providing explanations like you've illustrated in your OP.

Then we had AATIP [or so we are told]. Which if you believe what Big Lue has said left him with little to no information about any UFO studies from the past. Which seems rather disingenuous. Or maybe he's fed us a porky pie?

I don't think we can ever trust the US, or any other military, for that matter when it comes to the truth about the topic. It's all too closely intertwined with national security.

Anyway. Merry Xmas to you mate. 🎅

posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 07:49 AM
a reply to: karl 12

Great thread! Funnt that some of these "explanations" are crazier than just saying, yep aliens.

posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 09:12 AM
a reply to: karl 12

"Another very intriguing radar/visual UFO incident from Kirtland Air Force Base in which two air tower control officers witnessed a very strange egg-shaped object 'with no wings, tail, or fuselage' hover and then fly across the runway "

PROOF, agreed.

Pretty sure that is the documented arrival of Mork from Ork.....

posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 10:32 AM
a reply to: mirageman

Good to see you mate and yes definitely some active agendas involved (and some 'book-cooking' going on) - many of the explanations are bordering on the criminally negligent and think it's pretty ironic that all these fudged stats and fraudulent evaluations (along with Condon's 'conclusions') are still used to this day to BS the general public via the 'USAF Factsheet'.

Also thought Francis Ridge had an interesting take on the numbers here:

Captain Edward Ruppelt, in his 1956 book, "The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects", gave some interesting statistics on the Air Force's Project Blue Book findings. Ruppelt's tenure was at a time when the Air Force was putting its best foot forward and the figures presented were based on 1,593 sightings. Less than 20 years later, in 1969 when Blue Book closed down, there were over 12,618 sightings on the books with 741 Unknowns. That equates to to only 5.8%. I later found out that these figures were derived from the Battelle Institude study which produced Project Blue Book Special Report 14. Let's look at those figures a little closer, the one's Ruppelt quoted in his book.

Stats Table

According to Ruppelt the percentage of Unknowns was 26.94%. A scientific approach to these figures shows that only 11.21% were actually proven explained (total of column 1 which represents 179 cases) leaving, in actuality, 88.79% unexplained! These Blue Book figures (during the most serious time of it's life) were based on the then 1,593 sightings the Air Force had studied.

Actually it's worse. They only "studied" 1,593 sightings, but had "received" over 4,400 with only 179 explained. That's less than 4% "explained" If we were to state that a certain percentage of UFOs were "possible" or "probable" ET, the debunkers would remind us that, "scientifically", only the "proven" could be used in such an analysis. Using the Air Forces's actual numbers11.21% were proven explained, leaving over 88% without a proven explanation.
With something like that going on in U.S. air space, somebody in the Air Force should have been more concerned. This was a matter of national security and/or scientific interest.

To be fair Dr Hynek did try to make BB investigations more scientific but then was completely ignored.

Severe Scientific criticism of Project Bluebook - suggested changes in protocol completely ignored:

In September 1968, Hynek received a letter from Colonel Raymond Sleeper of the Foreign Technology Division. Sleeper noted that Hynek had publicly accused Blue Book of shoddy science, and further asked Hynek to offer advice on how Blue Book could improve its scientific methodology.

Hynek was to later declare that Sleeper's letter was "the first time in my 20 year association with the air force as scientific consultant that I had been officially asked for criticism and advice regarding the UFO problem."

Hynek wrote a detailed response, dated October 7, 1968, suggesting several areas where Blue Book could improve. In part, he wrote:

A.... neither of the two missions of Blue Book [determining if UFOs are a threat to national security and using scientific data gathered by Blue Book] are being adequately executed.

B.The staff of Blue Book, both in numbers and in scientific training, is grossly inadequate...

C.Blue Book suffers … in that it is a closed system ... there is virtually no scientific dialogue between Blue Book and the outside scientific world...

D.The statistical methods employed by Blue Book are nothing less than a travesty.

E.There has been a lack of attention to significant UFO cases ... and too much time spent on routine cases ... and on peripheral public relations tasks. Concentration could be on two or three potentially scientific significant cases per month [instead of being] spread thin over 40 to 70 cases per month.

F.The information input to Blue Book is grossly inadequate. An impossible load is placed on Blue Book by the almost consistent failure of UFO officers at local air bases to transmit adequate information...

G.The basic attitude and approach within Blue Book is illogical and unscientific...

H.Inadequate use had been made of the Project scientific consultant [Hynek himself]. Only cases that the project monitor deems worthwhile are brought to his attention. His scope of operation ... has been consistently thwarted ... He often learns of interesting cases only a month or two after the receipt of the report at Blue Book.

Despite Sleeper's request for criticism, none of Hynek's commentary resulted in any substantial changes in Blue Book.


Suppose if Bluebook was just some BS smokescreen PR exercise to hoodwink their taxpaying employers then the big question is who was actually examining all the hot report actual unknowns?

Have you ever come across anything involving the Atomic Energy Commission.- looks like they were after info on flying saucers as far back as 1950?

This is the first time the AEC has publicly evinced interest in flying discs.


Cheers (and merry Xmas)
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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 10:42 AM

originally posted by: M5xaz

'a very strange egg-shaped object 'with no wings, tail, or fuselage'

Well reality is sometimes stranger than fiction mate (even if it is Mork from Ork).

Hope you watch this and you may be surprised just how many very similar reports there actually were during that very short timeframe (I know I was).

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posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 11:48 AM

originally posted by: karl 12
Not too sure about the future of the UFO forum

After a half-dozen years of posting in the Amazon forums they decided to remove the search button. All of my hundreds of thousands of UFO words were now unsearchable. So I could not find them to save them somewhere else. And of course when they closed done the forums, all those years of writings, all that work recording information, was just gone. So just a reminder to all:
If you want access to your writings, copy them to something non-internet, like your hard drive.

posted on Dec, 18 2020 @ 12:06 PM

originally posted by: karl 12

originally posted by: M5xaz

'a very strange egg-shaped object 'with no wings, tail, or fuselage'

Well reality is sometimes stranger than fiction mate (even if it is Mork from Ork).

The Dork from Orc was actually based on The Dogan. As in Nannu and the egg is really Nommo and the egg.

A white egg, very much like a tic tac.

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