Setting things straight.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

That's why I mentioned this. The Paper ballots (legally cast one's) should match the vote total. If it doesn't, there is something to call proof. If they match, and nothing changes, it's also proof. It's frustrating seeing everyone argue over insignificant or misrepresented facts. This is a pretty simple thing to verify, as long as the truth is the desired outcome. If it's not, then you might see what we are seeing now.

And Voter ID is only racists against dead folk. But it's told from a different angle from the left.

a reply to: tanstaafl

You don't define what signature verification is, you don't know anything about what happened or is happening in the State of Georgia.

You're trying to continue the effort to invalidate a legally-held election as well as overthrow the results. You're advocating for lawlessness and sedition.

You can claim that you have information that you don't have, but all you're really doing is stating your biased opinion because your candidate didn't win

I only have two words at this point: Womp womp.

a reply to: network dude

You are making very valid claims about votes and ballots that seem obvious.

In Georgia, we have counted, recounted and audited. Fulton County is doing a public ballot signature verification later this month, and other disputed States have performed likewise.

a reply to: blueman12

Even Trump has to use the very same media he points to and calls fake.

Therefore...everything he says is fake..and he broadcasts using it...and tells us not to believe it(him?).

AND he tells us it is. Even his info. What's that say?

There is no real, accurate, truthful "media". Wake the h--- up .....it's all just "media".

A.P., Reuters, National Enquire, NYT, Mirror, W.P....whatever...

Believe nothing...question everything.

You guys are really late to this party.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: tanstaafl
You don't define what signature verification is, you don't know anything about what happened or is happening in the State of Georgia.

There was no meaningful observation by R observers of the signatures on the absentee ballots. PERIOD.

The GA SoS unlawfully allowed mail in ballots to be opened 3 weeks prior to election day, directly contrary to State Law. PERIOD.

You're trying to continue the effort to invalidate a legally-held election as well as overthrow the results. You're advocating for lawlessness and sedition.

What is sedition is advocating the overthrow of the US Government by supporting massive election fraud.

Probably a good thing that you're a nobody, so they probably won't charge you with anything.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Repeating your unsubstantiated opinion is meaningless.

You have no evidence for your claims, your claims have been rejected in our judicial systems, etc. etc.

No one is supporting massive election fraud. You are claiming that it happened and it didn't.

I'm a nobody? Sure. So are you. Again, what difference does it make?

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Logic is not strong with many.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: tanstaafl

Repeating your unsubstantiated opinion is meaningless.

Just quoting for irony...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: tanstaafl

Repeating your unsubstantiated opinion is meaningless.

Just quoting for irony...

That all you got???

Sad.

originally posted by: network dude
Things have gone off the rails lately. Yes, they were headed that way for some time, but not at this pace. So I'd like to back up a little and explain a few things that I feel like most of the folks on my side are feeling, but not able to articulate due to the toxic nature of recent conversations.

Trump isn't presidential, he isn't proper, he isn't nice. He's brash, bombastic, egotistical and opinionated. He was elected president. Amazingly enough I think not because of those negative qualities, but because he was an outsider, a guy with different untried ideas, and a middle finger to the establishment. Perhaps those are bad reasons to elect a leader, but none of that matters now, it was already done.

So we had 4 years of a Trump presidency. Those of us who don't hate him, look at both the accomplishments and the failures. Sadly, the failures don't get much air time since so many non failures were manufactured and billed as such to create a negative conversation with every mention of his name. This isn't debatable, it's fact. But there were good accomplishments. Removing NAFTA. Renegotiating trade agreements more agreeable to the US. Ending the constant war machine. Appointing constitutional judges to the SCOTUS. Bringing peace to some middle eastern nations without bombing them into compliance.

So by some standards, he was a good president. If you judge by how hurt your feelz were at any given point, you may have an alternative view.

But with regard to the election, we have some serious animosity that needs to be resolved. Declaring martial law isn't the solution Subverting social norms isn't the solution. Proving that the claims of fraud are unfounded IS a solution.

I had the thought early on that if a recount in Georgia was done, and nothing changed, it would show that everything was kosher there, and likely translated to other areas. yes there were some localized fraud, but as of yet nothing pointing to a widespread conspiracy, which is what would be needed for the claims to be true. But here is where it got murky. A recount was done, but not correctly and not looking at the main charge of why there was questions in the first place.

Signature verification of the massive amount of mail in ballots. We were told there are signatures on file with the state for each registered voter. We know from previous elections that a percentage of mail in ballots are usually found to have issues and be rejected. In this election, due to Covid, things were done completely different. Instead of having those who wanted to vote by mail request a ballot, they were sent to everyone in some sates. Georgia being one of them. And the amount of ballots with issues was at an amazingly low level, while the amount of ballots turned in was at an amazingly high level. Many people of both political affiliations have stated that mail in ballots of this kind are avenues for fraud. It doesn't take a high IQ person to realize that in this situation, ballots could be collected, and filled out by someone other than the voter. A whole bunch of them. One way to verify that legal voters were the one's who cast the ballot, is to verify their signature. This wasn't done in any meaningful way. It sure looks like that was by design.

If it could be verified that the mail in ballots in Georgia were indeed signature verified, and the ones who's signature looked wrong, could be checked with the person who filled that ballot out, we could end the speculation on that front, and likely end the entire fiasco. It's now more important than ever to find a way to restore confidence in this process. it would go one of two ways. Either the ballots would show nothing out of the ordinary happened, or it would show irregularities that may have changed the outcome of the election. I don't think this is really about changing the results at this point, I don't even know if a constitutional avenue exists on that front.

If you feel that the signatures aren't a valid reason to re-check those ballots, why? Is election integrity not important if the desired outcome has been achieved?

And lastly, perhaps most importantly as well. Some news is meant to make you feel good, while not offering factual reporting. In fact, I don't know of any journalism today that actually does report facts. So bringing a garbage unvetted story into the fray doesn't help, it hurts. it feeds the addiction of the AWB. (Always right brigade) These are folks who watch a thread progress, and jump on some inaccuracy they can easily disprove. Trouble is, they are usually correct, and that just digs the knife in more with a twist. If you deal in verifiable facts, those people won't have the ammunition needed to make those condescending posts. They would be relegated to discussing the facts. Which in a better place in a better time, is how all of this should work. If you bring garbage, don't look surprised when it's pointed out how much you stink.

The one accomplishment you point to...trade agreements... the USA trade deficits have barely budged under Trump. His idea of a victory was moving production from China to Vietnam. It still isn't here in the USA. Exports are down something like 17% this year.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
That all you got???

It's all I need. You make it too easy.

Sad, really...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Gryphon66
That all you got???

It's all I need. You make it too easy.

Sad, really...

*wroock*

No, Polly we don't have any crackers today.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: network dude

You are making very valid claims about votes and ballots that seem obvious.

In Georgia, we have counted, recounted and audited. Fulton County is doing a public ballot signature verification later this month, and other disputed States have performed likewise.

super. Prove to me that signatures were verified, and that both sides had eyes on the process.
If you can, I won't have a leg to stand on and will be forced by my own words to accept Joa Bi Den. If you can't and you just obfuscate, it will look an awful lot like covering up a crime.

Best

a reply to: network dude

What proof would you accept?

I was not present at all polling places so I cannot offer first-hand testimony. Neither can you.

a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

I pointed to several, try reading it again, slower this time.

And from my limited ability to understand how Trade affects the bottom line in the US, the changes made will take a while to show if they were good choices or not. Jury is still out on things like Tariffs. But bringing back manufacturing to the US seems like a smart move from where I sit.

You don't have to like anything he did. But your inability to grasp reality doesn't change it.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: network dude

What proof would you accept?

I was not present at all polling places so I cannot offer first-hand testimony. Neither can you.

please, don't read anything I type. It makes your questions extra redundant.

I'd like for the recount to include signature verification. As I linked to previously, the amount of ballots was much larger than past elections, and the rejection rate was much lower than previous elections. That alone proves nothing, but offers a good place to start looking for why that might be the case.

If you think about things and swap Joa Bi Den's name for Trump, it will help you avoid the obvious bias you have in trying to justify things that may be wrong, with regard to your political leanings.

I'd just like to see the math done openly. Why is that wrong?


eta: Best

a reply to: network dude

You replied to my post, chief.

Well, I told you that several counties are reperforming signature verification in public, so you'll get that.

Yes, the number of absentee ballots was much larger than in previous elections. In Georgia, for example we have been under a medical emergency as well as a stay-at-home order for those at greatest risk from the Governor.

Let me ask another, rather blunt question: why should anyone care whether you "trust" the elections results?

Let me ask another, why are you assuming that the laws and procedures that have been in place for years are suddenly questionable or inadequate but only in those places that Trump lost?

Because to me that seems pretty obviously related to your preferences rather than any attention or concern about the facts.

Let me ask another, as the Electoral College has voted, which was a result of all fifty states certifying their election results ... why on God's Green Earth do you think your interminable, nonsensical whining will make any difference at all? All you're doing is serving the desires of those who wish to undermine our country. I'd like to know why that is.

a reply to: network dude

So bringing a garbage unvetted story into the fray doesn't help, it hurts. it feeds the addiction of the AWB. (Always right brigade) These are folks who watch a thread progress, and jump on some inaccuracy they can easily disprove. Trouble is, they are usually correct, and that just digs the knife in more with a twist. If you deal in verifiable facts, those people won't have the ammunition needed to make those condescending posts. They would be relegated to discussing the facts. Which in a better place in a better time, is how all of this should work. If you bring garbage, don't look surprised when it's pointed out how much you stink.

It warms my heart to know that you are sane

I mean that sincerely

a reply to: network dude

Woooo reeeeeeeee!

So by some standards, he was a good president

Nope. Hence the 1 term.

we have some serious animosity that needs to be resolved

We? Just you guys.

we could end the speculation on that front

You've already proven it wouldn't. The circus would move onto their next fringe fraud theory based off a youtube video while also NEVER accepting that the recount was legit. You are beyond reason.

The election integrity is only being questioned by a handful of losers. Those who are having trouble coping with losing after that 1 term of "winning" trump promised them more.

Lol remember when the left was adamant about Russian involvement in the previous election?
I remember you being super reasonable and allowing the Left to present and call all the witnesses they wanted.
You didn't call it a waste of time and tried to derail it and mock it at every stage did you?

Oh wait you did. And now you are whining about the left. Guess thats karma for you. Suck it up.

a reply to: blueman12

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!!