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Brexit: Horrible feeling Boris is going to cave in

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posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
So thanks for the shout out but I do not think it’s racist to be patriotic and I regard myself as a proud member of the tartan army. I might not support brexit but it don’t think it’s in anyway racist to support brexit and am I bit confused as to why you felt the need to single me out.

Regardless I don’t think he is going to cave, right now I just think neither side want to be seen to be the ones responsible for a disastrous no deal, when in reality that was always going to be the inevitable conclusion.

Personally I just hope this leads to Scottish independence.


Not sure why he singled you out either but I'm glad he did, I'm on the same boat you are.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
My point was it affects sin items less....which you stated.


Aren't Germany's protectionism of its auto industry a tarriff in effect?

And Macron is definitely protectionist.
worldview.stratfor.com...

It just seems that those two want to rule everything in europe.

ETA, I had to take a class as part of my Marketing degree and holy bejeezuz, I was lost!!!!!!!
a reply to: ScepticScot



Since my knowledge of marketing comes down to 'is it shiney' I can't really criticize.

The EU does have a strong protectionist strand, that is part of how single market and CU work. Unlike how a lot how the anti EU propaganda presents it the EU remains very nation centric and the power does lie more with the larger or more prosperous individual nations. The thing to remember is this had always been the case in international trade and membership of a larger organisation gives smaller nations more pull than they might otherwise have.

German car Iindustry benefits immensely from the single market and the Euro. Of course any German politician is going to try and maintain that advantage as It would be electoral suicide to do otherwise.

Same with some of the protections that France has for its food industry.

However in order time get these benefits it's in these countries interest to make membership also beneficial to smaller nations.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: lakenheath24
My point was it affects sin items less....which you stated.


Aren't Germany's protectionism of its auto industry a tarriff in effect?

And Macron is definitely protectionist.
worldview.stratfor.com...

It just seems that those two want to rule everything in europe.

ETA, I had to take a class as part of my Marketing degree and holy bejeezuz, I was lost!!!!!!!
a reply to: ScepticScot



Since my knowledge of marketing comes down to 'is it shiney' I can't really criticize.

The EU does have a strong protectionist strand, that is part of how single market and CU work. Unlike how a lot how the anti EU propaganda presents it the EU remains very nation centric and the power does lie more with the larger or more prosperous individual nations. The thing to remember is this had always been the case in international trade and membership of a larger organisation gives smaller nations more pull than they might otherwise have.

German car Iindustry benefits immensely from the single market and the Euro. Of course any German politician is going to try and maintain that advantage as It would be electoral suicide to do otherwise.

Same with some of the protections that France has for its food industry.

However in order time get these benefits it's in these countries interest to make membership also beneficial to smaller nations.



Were just as protectionist, long history of it, which I assume will only increase after leaving the EU. Watch 'Buy British' campaign make a return too.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: tdk84

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: lakenheath24
My point was it affects sin items less....which you stated.


Aren't Germany's protectionism of its auto industry a tarriff in effect?

And Macron is definitely protectionist.
worldview.stratfor.com...

It just seems that those two want to rule everything in europe.

ETA, I had to take a class as part of my Marketing degree and holy bejeezuz, I was lost!!!!!!!
a reply to: ScepticScot



Since my knowledge of marketing comes down to 'is it shiney' I can't really criticize.

The EU does have a strong protectionist strand, that is part of how single market and CU work. Unlike how a lot how the anti EU propaganda presents it the EU remains very nation centric and the power does lie more with the larger or more prosperous individual nations. The thing to remember is this had always been the case in international trade and membership of a larger organisation gives smaller nations more pull than they might otherwise have.

German car Iindustry benefits immensely from the single market and the Euro. Of course any German politician is going to try and maintain that advantage as It would be electoral suicide to do otherwise.

Same with some of the protections that France has for its food industry.

However in order time get these benefits it's in these countries interest to make membership also beneficial to smaller nations.



Were just as protectionist, long history of it, which I assume will only increase after leaving the EU. Watch 'Buy British' campaign make a return too.


While there have been swings back and forth traditionally the UK has been more pro free trade than protectionist.

The buy british campaign is generally regarded as failure. Slogans, posters and badges don't generally win in a long term fight witheconomic reality.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: ScepticScot

It’s wild eh?

If you have a different view your a evil idiot...total lack of respect for differing views.


Yeah, it's like being on Facebook or Youtube.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 12:36 PM
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Obviously you all haven't got the message. My son and daughter work for a large haulage company and they've been having reminders about the new export paperwork that's gotta be filled in. No paperwork, no sailey.
If non of you have ever realised the vast majority of French vehemently hate the British, always have, always will.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
Obviously you all haven't got the message. My son and daughter work for a large haulage company and they've been having reminders about the new export paperwork that's gotta be filled in. No paperwork, no sailey.
If non of you have ever realised the vast majority of French vehemently hate the British, always have, always will.


Good point there are also additional admin costs, not just tariffs to take into account.

Can't say I ever found the French to hate the British exactly...



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: tdk84

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: lakenheath24
My point was it affects sin items less....which you stated.


Aren't Germany's protectionism of its auto industry a tarriff in effect?

And Macron is definitely protectionist.
worldview.stratfor.com...

It just seems that those two want to rule everything in europe.

ETA, I had to take a class as part of my Marketing degree and holy bejeezuz, I was lost!!!!!!!
a reply to: ScepticScot



Since my knowledge of marketing comes down to 'is it shiney' I can't really criticize.

The EU does have a strong protectionist strand, that is part of how single market and CU work. Unlike how a lot how the anti EU propaganda presents it the EU remains very nation centric and the power does lie more with the larger or more prosperous individual nations. The thing to remember is this had always been the case in international trade and membership of a larger organisation gives smaller nations more pull than they might otherwise have.

German car Iindustry benefits immensely from the single market and the Euro. Of course any German politician is going to try and maintain that advantage as It would be electoral suicide to do otherwise.

Same with some of the protections that France has for its food industry.

However in order time get these benefits it's in these countries interest to make membership also beneficial to smaller nations.



Were just as protectionist, long history of it, which I assume will only increase after leaving the EU. Watch 'Buy British' campaign make a return too.


While there have been swings back and forth traditionally the UK has been more pro free trade than protectionist.

The buy british campaign is generally regarded as failure. Slogans, posters and badges don't generally win in a long term fight witheconomic reality.


Yes I've noticed people like to claim that, but I always thought were very protectionist. Look at the coal industry, steel, automotive. In more recent years the financial services, big pharma. I suppose its only natural to protect what's yours.

And yes I agree about, Buy British. They do it anyway and pretend all's rosey.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: fusionfilm


Anybody else have this awful feeling Boris is going to give in to the EU demands.


Boris was always pro-EU.
The only reason he swapped sides was because he recognised that leading the Brexit campaign would be his doorway to Downing Street.

His principal drivers have always been self-advancement and self-aggrandisement.
He is definitely not a politician of conviction and will do whatever is politically expedient for him and not necessarily what is either in the nations best interests or the will of the people.



I really hope the British public revolt if so.


I doubt it.

There are many things we should not just be protesting about but what we should be demanding real change.
But instead we have people protesting about wearing masks and taking part in token woke politics - classic distraction.



P.S don't come here to bash brexit, I'm really not interested and am quite frankly fed up of the lack of patriotism in my country and how any sort of patriotism is viewed as racist. So users like OtherSideOfTheCoin need not respond


With all due respect; members can come here and talk about what they want as long as they stay with T&C.
Sure, I hate that any form of English/British patriotism is immediately demonised and labelled 'racism' etc - its inaccurate and hypocritical - but debate and discussion is at the core of this sites very ethos.

I haven't read the whole thread bit I sincerely hope OSOTC has contributed.

edit on 16/12/20 by Freeborn because: Major typo



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Personally I just hope this leads to Scottish independence.


You just had to didn't you.

And you were doing so well up to that point!



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: fusionfilm


Anybody else have this awful feeling Boris is going to give in to the EU demands.


Boris was always pro-Brexit.


I assume that was a mistype


But I agree with everything you said, very good points.

I cant stand Boris not that the choice at any party is great. Weakest leadership in decades. As you mentioned, all very self serving.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: tdk84

Thank you, you were right....a typo that I have rectified.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Personally I just hope this leads to Scottish independence.


You just had to didn't you.

And you were doing so well up to that point!



I have done a full 180 on independence back in 2014 I voted to remain.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 03:06 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Personally I just hope this leads to Scottish independence.


You just had to didn't you.

And you were doing so well up to that point!



I have done a full 180 on independence back in 2014 I voted to remain.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Shame.

About the only good thing about this bloody pandemic is that it has shown how devolved power can work and each constituent part of the UK can have huge control over their own matters whilst remaining within The Union.

We need to address the many issues that have held the people of this great nation back as a matter of urgency....we have a far better chance of doing that together.

I could go on but it would only derail this thread even further.

I'm sure there'll be plenty of opportunities to discuss this again once this coronavirus outbreak has blown over and Brexit is finally concluded - provided of course that ATS is still here!



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
Obviously you all haven't got the message. My son and daughter work for a large haulage company and they've been having reminders about the new export paperwork that's gotta be filled in. No paperwork, no sailey.
If non of you have ever realised the vast majority of French vehemently hate the British, always have, always will.


Didn't hate us when we was saving their arses in world war 2 though did they when the gutless $%##$ surrendered... Same for most of Europe really, they all have very very very short memories.

Slightly ironic as well isn't it that Angela Merkel is the top dog of the EU, I guess Hitler got his wish for the Germans to rule Europe after all... At least the Jews are safe this time



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 05:26 PM
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a reply to: fusionfilm

Another reason to vote against Scottish independence. As my Grandad used to say, we fought and died together, our dead are buried together. He would know, he fought in the war as a proud BRITISH soldier.



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 05:41 PM
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Reading the whole of this thread has brought me to the conclusion that many of you are not looking at the bigger picture, or if you are, you're just ignoring it. What you are witnessing on the international political stage is duplicity and mendacity. It is the statements of things you want to hear from your representatives (such as arguing for the British case), but the actual doing of the opposite.

I said in an earlier post that the British public have to be brought to agree with staying with the EU. It is what globalism wants and insists on. To get the majority they need to agree with this, the British public have to experience economic and financial pain, and all the other attendant painful symptoms that occur within them. It is irrelevant whether you voted remain or leave, it doesn't matter. Johnson won't be seen to 'cave in', and I expect us to transition away from the EU on the 31st December with no deal. Johnson will have told his EU counterparts that Britain has to leave in order to reverse the leave sentiment of the referendum.

The Sars-CoV-2 virus has been used to setup and place Britain in a position for the political masters, whoever they may be, to implement the economic and financial pain to make the British public re-think their leave decision. We are already seeing large jobs losses, with the hospitality and leisure industries taking massive economic punches, and a number of retail giants collapsing as well, and all of it under the pretext of a virus. Duplicity and mendacity. They are not just seeking to change our behaviours, but our mindsets. They have taken from us the avenues by which we can relax and chill out and enjoy ourselves, all under the cover of the virus, but the virus is just a device for implementation. They want us all so depressed and fed up that any small relief will be welcomed, and relief will only come if we accept staying with the EU, and become part of the superstate.

Globalism cannot achieve the five international boundaries of commerce and trade it wants if Britain goes it alone, Britain must remain with the EU. The referendum result was a spanner in their globalist agenda for centralizing regional areas of the world into five distinct states. Once these states are setup, countries within each state won't elect governments, but managing representatives who will take a place at the higher state parliament, who themselves will elect overall leaders, the people won't have a say in who actually leads them. The manager representatives who the people of each country elected will implement the diktats of the overall leaders. Are you now beginning to see the bigger picture? Eventually, elections of manager representatives will cease, and only those groomed for such a position will be accepted.

Now you see the reason for all the chaos and breakdown of what was considered 'normal', and the incurring of £2 trillion debt. Duplicity and mendacity to achieve a globalist goal. The even bigger picture above all this is the completion of the one world government by representatives from each of the five states.
edit on 16/12/20 by elysiumfire because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: ScepticScot

Solely due to the fact the majority of Scottish voters don't understand politics and actually believe the SNP is a nationalist party. Its more a popularity contest predicated on anti-English sentiment rather than people rationalising policy. The nation has been duped.

You don't speak for all of Scotland, just the brainless masses. If the SNP was actually for Scottish Independence from Westminster AND the EU, if they weren't authoritarian scumbags i'd consider voting for them. Calling yourself a Nationalist party then advocating for leaving one union to join an even larger one is irony personified.

Agreed, independence does not mean being dictated to by another Union of countries. Wish I could give more than one star!



posted on Dec, 16 2020 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: elysiumfire
Reading the whole of this thread has brought me to the conclusion that many of you are not looking at the bigger picture, or if you are, you're just ignoring it. What you are witnessing on the international political stage is duplicity and mendacity. It is the statements of things you want to hear from your representatives (such as arguing for the British case), but the actual doing of the opposite.

I said in an earlier post that the British public have to be brought to agree with staying with the EU. It is what globalism wants and insists on. To get the majority they need to agree with this, the British public have to experience economic and financial pain, and all the other attendant painful symptoms that occur within them. It is irrelevant whether you voted remain or leave, it doesn't matter. Johnson won't be seen to 'cave in', and I expect us to transition away from the EU on the 31st December with no deal. Johnson will have told his EU counterparts that Britain has to leave in order to reverse the leave sentiment of the referendum.

The Sars-CoV-2 virus has been used to setup and place Britain in a position for the political masters, whoever they may be, to implement the economic and financial pain to make the British public re-think their leave decision. We are already seeing large jobs losses, with the hospitality and leisure industries taking massive economic punches, and a number of retail giants collapsing as well, and all of it under the pretext of a virus. Duplicity and mendacity. They are not just seeking to change our behaviours, but our mindsets. They have taken from us the avenues by which we can relax and chill out and enjoy ourselves, all under the cover of the virus, but the virus is just a device for implementation. They want us all so depressed and fed up that any small relief will be welcomed, and relief will only come if we accept staying with the EU, and become part of the superstate.

Globalism cannot achieve the five international boundaries of commerce and trade it wants if Britain goes it alone, Britain must remain with the EU. The referendum result was a spanner in their globalist agenda for centralizing regional areas of the world into five distinct states. Once these states are setup, countries within each state won't elect governments, but managing representatives who will take a place at the higher state parliament, who themselves will elect overall leaders, the people won't have a say in who actually leads them. The manager representatives who the people of each country elected will implement the diktats of the overall leaders. Are you now beginning to see the bigger picture? Eventually, elections of manager representatives will cease, and only those groomed for such a position will be accepted.

Now you see the reason for all the chaos and breakdown of what was considered 'normal', and the incurring of £2 trillion debt. Duplicity and mendacity to achieve a globalist goal. The even bigger picture above all this is the completion of the one world government by representatives from each of the five states.


Whilst I agree that there is a very likely some sort of reverse psychology going on that will eventually bring us back to the EU... I can't believe that covid was manufactured solely to stop Brexit... I voted for Brexit dude and even I think your reaching there







 
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