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originally posted by: caterpillage
Perhaps when that day comes for the great paying up, instead of just handing out fat checks, we could distribute some of it in more tangible ways.
Part of the restitution could be giving every poor, whether black, or other minorities for that matter a completely free Federal ID card to use when voting. (Some say that black people cant afford an ID, hence why voter ID laws are racist and suppressing the black vote). So, give them FREE! Even include an uber fee for those that cant get there. Heck, even pay them for their time!
Another chunk of the reparations could be in the form of tuition payments for education. (Free college!)
Other things could include, housing assistance, utility assistance, monthly payments to help with food purchases, a monthly stipend for basic necessities, vouchers for helping pay for car repairs,
Things like that.
Could even throw in government provided health insurance for those that dont have any. For free.
Another way to make up some of the restitution could be to give black people a hiring preference for government, union, and other well paying jobs.
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: CryHavoc
No one is responsible for the crimes of their Ancestors.
If your father robbed a bank and gave you the money he stole; would you keep it or give it back?.
originally posted by: lostgirl
a reply to: DanDanDat
No. You really need to study the history of 'The South' after the Civil War - it was an impoverished, occupied war zone...
...all the "wealth" of the slave owners was completely gone (they had been financing the war they lost), during the war plantations had been burned to the ground by the Northern armies after they 'requisitioned' everything of use or value in order to feed and supply the soldiers -
- any plantations which survived the war were taken away from the owners when they were unable to raise the money to pay taxes levied against them in punishment for taking part in the war.
There was absolutely no "wealth accumulation" to pass down as inheritances by anyone.
originally posted by: murphy22
The Anglo-Irish where more "enslaved" in America than any "afro-American" can ever clame. Not to mention the Chinese, that built our railroads.
But? You don't see us wanting "40 Acr and a mule"....
We F'n fought, killed ourselves, out of "servitude". We f'n fought for North and South!
"Reparation", is the cry, for that "sick" lame, and "lazy" person, that hasn't earned it.
Very few "Black Americans" living today, can trace thier "roots", to any "slaves". That is a "fact"!
But many "white" Americans, can.
Jews, Irish,..etc....
It doesn't matter "your skin collor/colour"! Can you do what you said/say, you'd do?
originally posted by: Tekner
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: CryHavoc
No one is responsible for the crimes of their Ancestors.
If your father robbed a bank and gave you the money he stole; would you keep it or give it back?.
Bringing your analogy closer to reality, if my dad gave me slaves then no I wouldn't keep them, I haven't gotten any slaves though, or money for that matter.
Serfdom was the status of many peasants under feudalism, specifically relating to manorialism, and similar systems. It was a condition of debt bondage and indentured servitude with similarities to slavery, which developed during the Late Antiquity and Early Middle Ages in Europe and lasted in some countries until the mid-19th century.[1] As with slaves, serfs could be bought, sold, or traded, with some limitations: they generally could be sold only together with land (with the exception of the kholops in Russia and villeins in gross in England who could be traded like regular slaves), could be abused with no rights over their own bodies, could not leave the land they were bound to, and could marry only with their lord's permission. Serfs who occupied a plot of land were required to work for the lord of the manor who owned that land. In return, they were entitled to protection, justice, and the right to cultivate certain fields within the manor to maintain their own subsistence. Serfs were often required not only to work on the lord's fields, but also in his mines and forests and to labor to maintain roads. The manor formed the basic unit of feudal society, and the lord of the manor and the villeins, and to a certain extent the serfs, were bound legally: by taxation in the case of the former, and economically and socially in the latter.
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Lumenari
Morning, thnx. I was just posting about my native ancestors, than saw your point, and canned mine.
We were...my family...."Indian Traders", 1800-40...Cherokee and Chickasaw....slavery was big business, common among tribes...
? Hv a get dy, L!👍
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: CryHavoc
No one is responsible for the crimes of their Ancestors.
If your father robbed a bank and gave you the money he stole; would you keep it or give it back?.
And owning slaves 100 or 200 years ago has absolutely nothing to do with what you just posted?
Worst. Analogy. EVER.
Owning slaves 100 or 200 years ago was wage theft carried out by the ancestors of a subsection of the US population. Wage theft that resulted in wealth accumulation by those ancestors and passed down to that subsection of the US population as inheritance.
The analogy seems perfectly fine to me.
originally posted by: lostgirl
originally posted by: CryHavoc
No one is responsible for the crimes of their Ancestors.
Not to mention the fact that, if you go back far enough in history -
Everyone has ancestors who were enslaved by someone. Every civilization from the Sumerians to the Egyptians to the Greeks to the Romans made peoples of the nations (including white European) they conquered into slaves...
...Even within Africa there were Warrior nations that enslaved peoples of the African nations they conquered! Well before the first caucasians ever took a boatload of slaves across the ocean, there was widespread slave trade involving powerful Africans capturing other Africans and marching them off to be sold as slaves to other Africans!
All of the above, just makes ridiculous the idea that any present day people 'owe' any kind of reparations to other present day peoples due to the experiences of their ancestors!
If progressive liberals would put more effort into promoting education about real history, maybe they wouldn't waste so much time and resources on using centuries old problems of the past, as a futile basis for their attempts to make progress in improving the future.
originally posted by: Tekner
originally posted by: lostgirl
a reply to: DanDanDat
No. You really need to study the history of 'The South' after the Civil War - it was an impoverished, occupied war zone...
...all the "wealth" of the slave owners was completely gone (they had been financing the war they lost), during the war plantations had been burned to the ground by the Northern armies after they 'requisitioned' everything of use or value in order to feed and supply the soldiers -
- any plantations which survived the war were taken away from the owners when they were unable to raise the money to pay taxes levied against them in punishment for taking part in the war.
There was absolutely no "wealth accumulation" to pass down as inheritances by anyone.
So now we really need to talk about the north giving reparations to the south for destroying all their wealth and property. Sounds fair to me
originally posted by: galaga
originally posted by: murphy22
The Anglo-Irish where more "enslaved" in America than any "afro-American" can ever clame. Not to mention the Chinese, that built our railroads.
But? You don't see us wanting "40 Acr and a mule"....
We F'n fought, killed ourselves, out of "servitude". We f'n fought for North and South!
"Reparation", is the cry, for that "sick" lame, and "lazy" person, that hasn't earned it.
Very few "Black Americans" living today, can trace thier "roots", to any "slaves". That is a "fact"!
But many "white" Americans, can.
Jews, Irish,..etc....
It doesn't matter "your skin collor/colour"! Can you do what you said/say, you'd do?
Did anyone get that 40 acres and a mule? If they didn't, they are owed at least that.
As far as anything else. Nope.
originally posted by: AlbatrossMaker
Where do you keep hearing about reparations from?
originally posted by: CryHavoc
originally posted by: DanDanDat
originally posted by: chr0naut
No, the last book in the Bible is called The 'Revelation' of Jesus Christ.
The last book of the Bible is usually called The Revelation of St. John the Baptist. But anyway...
Why are you telling me this? or Which post are you replying to?
originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Lumenari
Even after slavery was abolished, racism for "colored" folks continued. It wasn't until the 60s that racism was truely addressed. Which still continued in many ways beyond.
originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: Lumenari
Even after slavery was abolished, racism for "colored" folks continued. It wasn't until the 60s that racism was truely addressed. Which still continued in many ways beyond.
On April 16, 1862, the District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act became law.
Pause for a minute to consider how much compensation would have been offered to the people who suffered torture and other human rights abuses and whose labor and families were stolen for generations. The answer is zero.
The federal government compensated the “owners” of enslaved people for their “loss of property.” The people who were freed were not compensated, nor given any assistance for the transition to their freedom.
Emancipation Day is an official holiday in Washington, D.C. Watch a short documentary film from the National Archives about the DC Emancipation Act.
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