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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: pteridine
The way to argue around this is by selective definition of "widespread fraud." This semantic argument is all the fraudsters have left. How about "extensive, election stealing fraud by foreign powers in key states?"
I'll define it for you. Not enough to even impact .001% of the results for the Presidential election.
originally posted by: AfterPaid
a reply to: AaarghZombies
Trust me, liberal media is everywhere, and swallowing the narrative, hook, line and sinker.
It's bad enough that it stinks that people in the US refuse to open their eyes, but when it's other places, it's a kick in the guts. Blind followers, who should know better... but tds is global, so it appears.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: AfterPaid
Perhaps enough to actually investigate properly, and not dismiss evidence out of hand?
Investigate it, bro, then take it to court. Call us on how that works out for you. Maybe you'll do better than Rudy and Sidney.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: AfterPaid
a reply to: AaarghZombies
Trust me, liberal media is everywhere, and swallowing the narrative, hook, line and sinker.
It's bad enough that it stinks that people in the US refuse to open their eyes, but when it's other places, it's a kick in the guts. Blind followers, who should know better... but tds is global, so it appears.
The only blind followers I see are the ones absolutely denying reality.
There is no fraud and that has been documented in numerous court hearings. Guiliani and other Trump members have admitted in court under oath that there is no fraud.
Antrim County, which is reliably Republican, has been in the spotlight because its initial results on election night showed Biden ahead of Trump by thousands of votes. Election officials later determined there were problems in the reporting of the results, and Trump ended up winning the county by more than 3,700 votes.
"If the Trump campaign had any actual evidence of wrongdoing – or genuine suspicion thereof – they could have requested a hand recount of every ballot in the state," Benson said in a Monday statement. "They did not, instead choosing to allow shadowy organizations claiming expertise to throw around baseless claims of fraud in an effort to mislead American voters and undermine the integrity of the election."
But Trump, who lost Michigan by 154,000 votes, tweeted that the report showed "massive fraud." The report came from an organization called Allied Security Operations Group, which has previously made false claims about Michigan's election.
The group previously claimed there were six precincts with more than 120% turnout in the state's election. But its data was incorrect, according to publicly available turnout numbers.
The new report alleges that Dominion Voting Systems, the election technology used by Antrim County and elsewhere, "is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results." It's unclear how Allied Security Operations Group (ASOG) reached this conclusion, however.
Likewise, the report, authored by Russell James Ramsland, Jr., who is part of ASOG's management team, says the group found an "error rate" of 68% when examining "the tabulation log" of the server for Antrim County. It's also unclear what the "error rate" data refers to specifically and how it impacts the results.
originally posted by: AfterPaid
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: AfterPaid
a reply to: AaarghZombies
Trust me, liberal media is everywhere, and swallowing the narrative, hook, line and sinker.
It's bad enough that it stinks that people in the US refuse to open their eyes, but when it's other places, it's a kick in the guts. Blind followers, who should know better... but tds is global, so it appears.
The only blind followers I see are the ones absolutely denying reality.
There is no fraud and that has been documented in numerous court hearings. Guiliani and other Trump members have admitted in court under oath that there is no fraud.
I agree. No corruption at all. We've been told that. No one bothers to look at the evidence, just dismiss it. So therefore no fraud.
In other news, the covid vaccine is 100% safe, everyone who said so, said so.
The findings are disputed by Erick Grill, attorney for Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson. Grill claims that the report is “inaccurate, incomplete, and misleading.” He failed to give any examples of what he alleges is false. However, the author of the analysis is Russell James Ramsland Jr., who has already put forward two flawed analyses in previous matters related to the 2020 election.
The Detroit Free Press reported:
Ramsland, a cybersecurity analyst and former Republican congressional candidate, mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns in one recent flawed analysis of voter turnout in the Nov. 3 election. In another, filed in support of a federal lawsuit filed in Michigan, he made wildly inaccurate claims about voter turnout in various Michigan municipalities claiming that Detroit, where turnout was 51%, had turnout of 139%, and that North Muskegon, which had turnout of 78%, had voter turnout of 782%.
Michigan Elections Director Jonathan Brater disputed the report, saying it “makes a series of unsupported conclusions, ascribes motives of fraud and obfuscation to processes that are easily explained as routine election procedures or error corrections, and suggests without explanation that elements of election software not used in Michigan are somehow responsible for tabulation or reporting errors that are either nonexistent or easily explained.”
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: KansasGirl
As I figured, you completely ignore the video I posted, that shows how the OP's source interpreted that data with a very flawed approach. So flawed that the suggestion was made that Dr. Shiva needs to redact the claims made in his viral video.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: carewemust
Maricopa county (Phoenix) has ordered a similar audit of Dominion hardware/software as Michigan.
twitter.com...
Yep, and Fulton County Georgia has agreed to verify signatures in a public venue.
They're catering to the malcontents that can't accept the results of an election.
No one besides Steve Bannon is reporting anything more for Michigan. This is probably referring back to the fake "audit" that has already been pushed so frequently.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: carewemust
Maricopa county (Phoenix) has ordered a similar audit of Dominion hardware/software as Michigan.
twitter.com...
Yep, and Fulton County Georgia has agreed to verify signatures in a public venue.
They're catering to the malcontents that can't accept the results of an election.
No one besides Steve Bannon is reporting anything more for Michigan. This is probably referring back to the fake "audit" that has already been pushed so frequently.
why is it wrong to verify signatures? I thought that was part of secure voting? or is secure voting not the desired outcome?
originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: AfterPaid
Heres the source of your " evidence"
Look at the website and tell me you'd hire them to do anything?