The Kingdom of Heaven and Hell

If One were to ask me, gladly I'd say, truly we live in Hell!

Life is sufferance. Being born is the single most traumatic event One can experience.

Death is peace. Leaving your body is the single most freeing and uplifting event in One's life.


And yet, veritably, the place we go to beyond life can be Heaven or Hell, as All is possible if accepted.



Our ancestors often referred to the sky and the stars as the Heavens. And so, our world must be of Hell.

Some may see the Realm of Spirit as Heaven, rightfully so. In this case too, our physical realm must be Hell.


In the Flesh, we are grounded and made separate.
This world is cold, heavy, and lonely for One looking from the Spirit Realm.
We forget who we are from birth, and have to learn everything anew with limited capacity.
We are subject to war, famine, pestilence, poverty, abuse, and natural cataclysms.
We live unknowing, seeking answers, and repeat the same experiences again and again.
Each time vowing to remember, and do better. And yet, each time we forget and repeat.


I ask, knowing what you know of God, and Love, and Light, and Life, could you think of a place more deserving of this title of "Kingdom of Hell?"


I come to you baring the truth that there is no fiery pit of eternal sufferance besides that which we allow ourselves to suffer, be it here on Earth, or Beyond.


However, as we Rise and discover our Selves, we explore the Heavens.


Life is amazing.
And Death isn't so bad either.


I love you all.


^_^

a reply to: iammrhappy86

Some may see the Realm of Spirit as Heaven, rightfully so.

Man gets tired, spirit don't. Man surrenders, spirit won't.
Man crawls, spirit flies. Spirit lives when man dies.

Man seems, spirit is. Man dreams, spirit lives.
Man is tethered, spirit is free. What spirit is, man can be.

Now we tread the fresh fields, the higher grounds and the summer slopes, that man may someday climb on.
Now we tread the fresh fields, the higher ground and the summer slopes, that man may someday climb on.

I think we're merely experiencing imperfections here on earth.

Btw, Hell is also a place in Norway, I believe.

Hell is much worse than anything mankind can fabricate here on earth. Although we can have 'hellish' experiences here, downright torture at times, it's a tiny fractional glimpse of what real Hell is. Real Hell is forever, not just the sting of war or the crushing of the soul when losing someone you love. The problem is when you ask to see Hell, the chances of getting out of the experience are not very good. It's a much safer route physically (and more importantly spiritually) to ask for a slice of Heaven. When you receive that, accepting Christ, you'll also know that the opposite exists and have zero desire to have anything more to do with Hell.

a reply to: iammrhappy86

"Death is peace. Leaving your body is the single most freeing and uplifting event in One's life."

How do you know?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iammrhappy86

"Death is peace. Leaving your body is the single most freeing and uplifting event in One's life."

How do you know?

I daresay my friend, I've lived and died on more than one occasion.

As most we all.

And though I have tasted of death while in this flesh, and I was offered my well deserved rest, I chose to come back.

What a Fool I am!

^_^

a reply to: iammrhappy86

I don't know about fool iammrhappy86 but its proof we are after, actual proof.

And somethings will always just be beyond our ability to measure observe and comprehend.

Just like what ever came before the universe, what comes after remains to be seen.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: iammrhappy86

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Just like what ever came before the universe, what comes after remains to be seen.

Thank you for yours words.

You speak the truth.

The proof will be made manifest upon its due time.

Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

(John 4:48 KJV)


I'm inclined to believe this is the case as well for the many.

a reply to: iammrhappy86

The Bible describes Satan as our earthly father and the ruler of this world.
I see the Lord's prayer as being a contrast between our heavenly Father and Satan.
For example... "Our Father who art in HEAVEN" ( as opposed to our Father Satan here on Earth). And..."Hallowed be THY Name" (Satan's name is not hallowed.) "Give us THIS day our DAILY bread" (Satan wants us to rely on storing up money to be sure of being fed). "Lead us... not INTO temptation" (as Satan does) "but deliver us FROM evil".

originally posted by: saint4God
Hell is much worse than anything mankind can fabricate here on earth. ...

More details about the Pagan roots of the false belief and teaching concerning a hell of fiery torment can be found in my commentary in the thread in the religion&theology forum called:

This is a compelling story!!! (Earth, Heaven, Hell)

a reply to: saint4God

"It's a much safer route physically (and more importantly spiritually) to ask for a slice of Heaven."

The 'self' can never attain heaven because the 'self' is an illussion of our minds eye. Because mind will not accept destruction of that 'self' the truth of the scriptures have been written to only those with the ears to hear the truth. That the Father is all that exist. He made us in his image by splitting his eye trillions and trillions of times into each of our I AM. So great is his power.

Matthew 6:22....The light of the body is the eye: if. therefore thine eye be single, thy. whole body shall be full of light.

So accepting self, you deny Father, and vice versa.

Heaven what one wants it to be, Hell, is what one doesnt want it be. Everyone wants to visit Mexico, but no one ever wants to move there.

From what I recall, some Christians think that when Jesus was crucified, it opened the door for souls to Heaven. There is no mention of a "Heaven" of in the O.T, and only a realm of the dead much akin to Hades(the Realm, not the God) type deal.

When I look at the O.T, I tend to look at it like Man vs Nature, where God is pretty much nature in general. As for the N.T, Man vs Man( friends, brothers, father...maybe themselves) maybe?

The Twlight Zone had a good episode about a mobster who died an thought he ended up in Heaven by being in a Casino. He kept winning, the girls laughed at everything he said, and other things. After a while, he realized he couldn't leave, and realized why everyone was laughing.

originally posted by: Specimen88
Heaven what one wants it to be, Hell, is what one doesnt want it be. Everyone wants to visit Mexico, but no one ever wants to move there.

From what I recall, some Christians think that when Jesus was crucified, it opened the door for souls to Heaven. There is no mention of a "Heaven" of in the O.T, and only a realm of the dead much akin to Hades(the Realm, not the God) type deal.

When I look at the O.T, I tend to look at it like Man vs Nature, where God is pretty much nature in general. As for the N.T, Man vs Man( friends, brothers, father...maybe themselves) maybe?

The Twlight Zone had a good episode about a mobster who died an thought he ended up in Heaven by being in a Casino. He kept winning, the girls laughed at everything he said, and other things. After a while, he realized he couldn't leave, and realized why everyone was laughing.

Man vs. man? Hardly.

In the New Testament Jesus tells us there by are only 2 things that God wants us to do....Number one is to love God, Number two is to love each other.

a reply to: MissSmartypants

"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"
Matt 5:44

"If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?"
Matt 12:26

And the fact your telling to make love not war, yer he claimed to make war instead.

originally posted by: Specimen88
a reply to: MissSmartypants

"But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,"
Matt 5:44

"If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?"
Matt 12:26

And the fact your telling to make love not war, yer he claimed to make war instead.

Who claimed to make war?

And we are to love everyone and yes that includes our enemies.

I'm not sure what your point is.

a reply to: MissSmartypants

"Jesus said: “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword” (Mt 10:34)

Yet, he slew many nought with force of one, but rather just by using his tongue.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: saint4God

"It's a much safer route physically (and more importantly spiritually) to ask for a slice of Heaven."

The 'self' can never attain heaven because the 'self' is an illussion of our minds eye. Because mind will not accept destruction of that 'self' the truth of the scriptures have been written to only those with the ears to hear the truth. That the Father is all that exist. He made us in his image by splitting his eye trillions and trillions of times into each of our I AM. So great is his power.

Matthew 6:22....The light of the body is the eye: if. therefore thine eye be single, thy. whole body shall be full of light.

So accepting self, you deny Father, and vice versa.

You speak Great Truths!

Thank you for sharing my friend.

Only a Fool would Deny Himself the Glory of the Father and the Son.


To what End?


^_^

originally posted by: iammrhappy86
I ask, knowing what you know of God, and Love, and Light, and Life, could you think of a place more deserving of this title of "Kingdom of Hell?"

What if we are all demons wanting a way out from Hell and the only way to escape hell is to enter this Matrix world.
We demons enter as a human who has to endure this hell of a World that the elitist cowards throw at us traitors (peasants) everyday.

Enduring this nightmare planet to end of natural life = success.
Failure to reach the end of ones life via suicide = failure. Go Back To Start via reincarnation.

a reply to: Rapha


An interesting theory! I like it! ^_^

Though I'd surmise some were angels before.
Or visitors from other worlds, now trapped in an earth-reincarnation cycle.


Wheresoever we hail from, wether it be from heavenly realms or from the dust of the earth, or from stars beyond, in this Day we are all brothers and sisters on this earth, our Home.


We do well to notice that the powerful few do not have our well-being as interest.

While we attempt to see some light and crawl our way out ever slowly, the elite sit atop their loft basking in the light looking down on us.


I am also a believer that suicide is not a way to the end. Though it is their choice, shortcuts can be misleading, and end-up costing you more.

originally posted by: iammrhappy86
Or visitors from other worlds, now trapped in an earth-reincarnation cycle.

Wheresoever we hail from, wether it be from heavenly realms or from the dust of the earth, or from stars beyond, in this Day we are all brothers and sisters on this earth, our Home.

We do well to notice that the powerful few do not have our well-being as interest.

While we attempt to see some light and crawl our way out ever slowly, the elite sit atop their loft basking in the light looking down on us.

I am also a believer that suicide is not a way to the end. Though it is their choice, shortcuts can be misleading, and end-up costing you more.

All of His entities were originally angels.

What if Lucifer was team leader of many angels that were given full control of this Galaxy.
However, upon decending from Heaven, the angels realised that they had no chance of returning home to Heaven. It was a 1-way trip that they might not have been told about.

If the Watchers could only exist on this planet via inserting their angelic DNA into human females - then it would explain the legends of the Giants (Numbers 13:33).

We do well to notice that the powerful few do not have our well-being as interest.

Not sure. If God allowed the elitists to reach the level that they are at now, then their destruction upon our lives was all in the game.
We exist today because we signed up to endure these exact days that we live through today.

Maybe in these days, it seems the longer a mortal lives for, the stronger their soul gets. Training for something bigger ?

Could immortal entities, on all sides, be watching us humans and observing who are worthy of becoming heros and who are not yet ready to risk everything for the greater good of Mankind ?