No Deal is the only Deal that will gain our Freedom , Brexit Talks put on Hold

a reply to: Southern Guardian

A trade deal with the EU that recognises Britain as a sovereign Nation and doesn't attempt to keep us as an appendage to the EU abiding by the rules of the EU but without having a voice at the table is good for Brexiteers.

The EU negotiators have more an eye on the future of the EU and keeping other discontented member in check than they do negotiating a fair and equitable deal with the UK , we dare to leave so we must be kept in check lest other take our lead and move toward the exit.

Germany and France hold the power in the Union other nations have a say but no real power or control over the policy and direction of the Union , discontentment among smaller nations has been growing for a few years our successful departure will act as a beacon to the nations who would follow our lead so it's better to make us suffer rather than risk others following.

Fisheries is important part of a deal because it means we control who and what fishes our waters , it doesn't mean they can't have access it means we have control over who gets access to our waters... Sovereignty.

THE Margiris, the infamous Dutch supertrawler capable of hoovering up a staggering 250 tonnes of fish a day, has been spotted off the east coast of Britain, enraging fishermen and conservationists alike.

The massive boat, which has been banned from Australian waters since 2013, was last week seen off the coast of Yorkshire and Tyne and Wear, and its presence in British waters sends a signal about the intentions of such vessels with the end of the Brexit transition period at the end of the year. Yesterday it had apparently moved on the the Farne Islands of the coast of Northumberland, which is a designated nature reserve. The Margiris, which is registered in Lithuania but owned by Dutch fishing company Palevilet & Van der Plas, is 14 times the size of average British trawlers, and is one of 25 which were active in British waters last year.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply Gort.



Let me just reiterate that I fully support the British people going their own way, on their own terms. At the same time, fair is fair, and other nations, groups have that same right. It goes both ways.

a reply to: gortex

A trade deal with the EU that recognises Britain as a sovereign Nation and doesn't attempt to keep us as an appendage to the EU abiding by the rules

Well clearly this is a condition of the EU, just like with the US it's a condition for you to abide by their food laws if there is to be any prospect of a free trade deal. Negotiations involve either size haggling for some sort of advantage. For the EU, they wish to preserve their exclusivity. You can't sign up to their club and expect to get special exemptions. That's just it.

Why is Britain dragging this case along? They, you, could have walked away from the table a long time ago. It's fully within your ability, but you don't.

Fisheries is important part of a deal because it means we control who and what fishes our waters

The fishing industry is a key issue in the debate over Brexit. But how did an industry that makes up only 0.1% of the UK economy become such a big deal?

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Small fry. Symbolic or not, what matters is the overall economic impact in the end.

a reply to: Southern Guardian

Why is Britain dragging this case along? They, you, could have walked away from the table a long time ago. It's fully within your ability, but you don't.

Because we want a trade deal , trade was the reason we joined in the first place.

We now know one of the sticking points is the EU are insisting that if they change their rules we must fall in line and change our laws to comply with theirs , not in Europe but still run by Europe.

Small fry. Symbolic or not, what matters is the overall economic impact in the end.

In economic terms maybe but in the greater scheme of things very important , the economic impact will be felt on both sides with the EU taking the bigger hit , the short term economic hit for our freedom from the Superstate is a price worth paying for the long term return of our freedom of choice and self governance.

originally posted by: Southern Guardian
Small fry. Symbolic or not, what matters is the overall economic impact in the end.

The fact is that no one can predict the economic impact for the UK, or the EU over the short and long term. There is myriad analysis available, some even independent, but most produced by some Leave or Remain faction, or bias.

On the one hand the UK will be reduced to the stone age, in fact we should all already be dead having died from famine or disease, for want of food and medical supplies. On the other hand, the UK will rise-up as the new Eden having been freed from the yoke EU oppression and dictatorship.

The truth is in between, but it takes a really negative person to think that the UK will not have a prosperous and useful future outside of the EU. The question (for the EU) is whether the EU wants to have a worthwhile relationship with us. Obviously not, from what I have seen to date.

a reply to: gortex

I'm starting to think joining the EU was the biggest mistake, other than maybe giving up Hong Kong, you guys made in the past half century.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hong Kong was on a lease and the lease was up so we really had no choice in that , as for the EU we originally joined an economic trading community but got sucked into a Superstate , luckily for us former Chancellor Gordon Brown wasn't keen on joining the Single currency so we kept the Pound which has made our escape possible , if we'd have adopted the Euro currency things would have been much harder.

a reply to: gortex

Well, I'm pulling for you guys to GTFO, the EU is a wreck.

Breaking News !
Talks between Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen end in deadlock.

Mrs von der Leyen said in a statement that the two sides were "far apart".

The meeting, also attended by negotiators Michel Barnier and Lord Frost, lasted about three hours.

The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg said the evening had "plainly gone badly" and the chances of the UK leaving the post-Brexit transition period at the end of the year without a firm arrangement was a "big step closer".

Mrs von der Leyen said the discussions had been "lively and interesting", and the two sides fully "understand each other's positions"but conceded they "remain far apart".
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Quelle surprise.

I can't believe this is still going on and you guys are still talking about it.