“Trump is not going to win. I made effing sure of that”.

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Hogleg

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Hogleg
Heck, we talked about this weeks ago on GLP. This rabbit hole would take years to prosecute.




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There is literally nothing to prosecute. No one has even established fraud in sea of civil cases being filed, and no one even talking about it in the criminal context.

Dude, I'm saying it would take years to collect proof, witnesses, sworn statements, dead folks, etc. this can of worms is digital that's a whole different ball game. So, they probably covered their tracks by now....... If you researched this topic you would better understand our bewilderment of folks like you, nothing happened, you can't prove it, doesn't matter any way.

$H!T happened,,,deal with it.

There's nothing to deal with. I have researched this topic. No credible source is suggesting that anything nefarious happened.

Thanks, I needed to laugh

a reply to: Hogleg

Howie Mandel would even be proud of that...

Guessing Snopes maybe or CNN?

a reply to: johnnylaw16

If there was any actual, legitimate evidence of voter fraud, it would have been presented in court already.

So we've all been told... repeatedly... ad nauseum.

But I've also seen and heard plenty of evidence that tells me yes, there was major fraud. So folks can keep saying what they will, and I will continue knowing what I know, and having suspicions regarding what I do not know and cannot know. At least not yet.

I explain why more fully over here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes, I read your OP.

There is a reason that we are not seeing Trump's attorney's put this stuff forward: it doesn't exist or it isn't credible. Lawyers have a duty to investigate claims before making them to a court. If in their investigation, Trump's attorneys had found any credible evidence of mass fraud they would have put it forward. They have not put it forward, and thus, we can conclude that they have not found anything.

Blah blah blah... yada yada yada... ho hum.

The judicial courts will have their say. The court of public opinion will also have its say.

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: johnnylaw16
I can believe you or I can believe the attorneys I've talked to in person about this.

Thinking......

Yeah, I think I will take their word over yours.

Cool. Care to explain what they are saying?

Both have said Trump has a case on the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence alone. Add to that what has been revealed up to this point and any non-partisan, non-activist judge would be more than a little interested in the case.

No credible source is suggesting that anything nefarious happened.

I'm guessing your "credible sources" are politifact, cnn, and any other liberal source.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: johnnylaw16
I can believe you or I can believe the attorneys I've talked to in person about this.

Thinking......

Yeah, I think I will take their word over yours.

All those 'attorneys' that you have been talking to are talking pure speculation unless they have seen evidence.

So I would also trust them if they had seen objective evidence and based what they told you on it.

But they haven't, have they?

I wouldn't trust them in a court if they are so sure of anything without evidence, they must be very cheap.

a reply to: Boadicea

The court of public opinion is the only one that seems to think this evidence exists - and like all courts of opinion everyone is the judge and jury.

a reply to: uncommitted
They know they don't have all the evidence sitting before them, but they can make observations about what they've seen and heard based on their knowledge of the law and how it works.

Both are professionals with good reputations, but that doesn't matter. They disagree with the narrative being pushed so they are the scum of the earth. I get it.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: uncommitted
They know they don't have all the evidence sitting before them, but they can make observations about what they've seen and heard based on their knowledge of the law and how it works.

Both are professionals with good reputations, but that doesn't matter. They disagree with the narrative being pushed so they are the scum of the earth. I get it.

Not scum of the earth at all, they clearly just share the same bias as you and more to the point, they don't have ANY evidence sitting before them, do they? They hear Trump saying there was fraud, and they take the same view.

Did they also think Trump won the previous election by a landslide and any votes against him that meant he didn't win the popular vote were either illegal immigrants or dead people?

originally posted by: Hogleg

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Hogleg

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Hogleg
Heck, we talked about this weeks ago on GLP. This rabbit hole would take years to prosecute.




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There is literally nothing to prosecute. No one has even established fraud in sea of civil cases being filed, and no one even talking about it in the criminal context.

Dude, I'm saying it would take years to collect proof, witnesses, sworn statements, dead folks, etc. this can of worms is digital that's a whole different ball game. So, they probably covered their tracks by now....... If you researched this topic you would better understand our bewilderment of folks like you, nothing happened, you can't prove it, doesn't matter any way.

$H!T happened,,,deal with it.

There's nothing to deal with. I have researched this topic. No credible source is suggesting that anything nefarious happened.

Thanks, I needed to laugh

He makes me laugh as well. These people keep parroting "nothing credible" "no evidence" "conspiracy theories" blah blah blah, etc., etc. As if just by parroting the MSM and CNN it will work like magic and make all their dreams come true.
Even if these people win what think is a win for them, it will be their worst nightmare coming true, and they aren't smart enough or wise enough to see it.

a reply to: Klassified

If the 'news' is telling us something, I'm going with the exact opposite. When the MSM are all screaming zero evidence, it's obviously because they KNOW we have the evidence.

I want the perpetrators of this fraud put in prison for life. All the way from the media to the traitorous judges, they should all be held accountable and charges brought against them.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: johnnylaw16
I can believe you or I can believe the attorneys I've talked to in person about this.

Thinking......

Yeah, I think I will take their word over yours.

Cool. Care to explain what they are saying?

Both have said Trump has a case on the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence alone. Add to that what has been revealed up to this point and any non-partisan, non-activist judge would be more than a little interested in the case.

No credible source is suggesting that anything nefarious happened.

I'm guessing your "credible sources" are politifact, cnn, and any other liberal source.

Can they then explain why Trump is not pursuing said case? Seems to be a pretty large, gaping hole in their theory . . .

I don't care where you're getting your information, but if the source were credible, someone would be putting it forward in court, and we would see court's relying on it. That is not happening. If you believe otherwise, please provide some links.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: uncommitted
They know they don't have all the evidence sitting before them, but they can make observations about what they've seen and heard based on their knowledge of the law and how it works.

Both are professionals with good reputations, but that doesn't matter. They disagree with the narrative being pushed so they are the scum of the earth. I get it.

Hey, I'm not calling anyone scum, or trying to belittle anyone for their view. But I am trying to point out what appear to be pretty major flaws with some of these views. Again, no one has been able to offer a cogent answer to one major issue: Why, if Trump can prove fraud and has all of this evidence, is he not pursuing any cases about it?

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Hogleg

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Hogleg

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Hogleg
Heck, we talked about this weeks ago on GLP. This rabbit hole would take years to prosecute.




this guy is awesome, follow him for all things computer related

twitter.com...

There is literally nothing to prosecute. No one has even established fraud in sea of civil cases being filed, and no one even talking about it in the criminal context.

Dude, I'm saying it would take years to collect proof, witnesses, sworn statements, dead folks, etc. this can of worms is digital that's a whole different ball game. So, they probably covered their tracks by now....... If you researched this topic you would better understand our bewilderment of folks like you, nothing happened, you can't prove it, doesn't matter any way.

$H!T happened,,,deal with it.

There's nothing to deal with. I have researched this topic. No credible source is suggesting that anything nefarious happened.

Thanks, I needed to laugh

He makes me laugh as well. These people keep parroting "nothing credible" "no evidence" "conspiracy theories" blah blah blah, etc., etc. As if just by parroting the MSM and CNN it will work like magic and make all their dreams come true.
Even if these people win what think is a win for them, it will be their worst nightmare coming true, and they aren't smart enough or wise enough to see it.

Post some links if you think that credible evidence is out there. I'd love to get into a debate about actual evidence. My point is that none of this supposed credible evidence is being put forward by Trump himself, who has every incentive to do so. And that fact alone should raise a major red flag for any who thinks that have found credible evidence.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: Klassified

If the 'news' is telling us something, I'm going with the exact opposite. When the MSM are all screaming zero evidence, it's obviously because they KNOW we have the evidence.

I want the perpetrators of this fraud put in prison for life. All the way from the media to the traitorous judges, they should all be held accountable and charges brought against them.

If you don't want to believe the media, that's fine. Look at what Trump is actually putting forward in his lawsuits and what judges are actually crediting. You won't find any evidence of mass voter fraud there. So where is the evidence?

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: johnnylaw16
I can believe you or I can believe the attorneys I've talked to in person about this.

Thinking......

Yeah, I think I will take their word over yours.

Cool. Care to explain what they are saying?

Both have said Trump has a case on the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence alone. Add to that what has been revealed up to this point and any non-partisan, non-activist judge would be more than a little interested in the case.

No credible source is suggesting that anything nefarious happened.

I'm guessing your "credible sources" are politifact, cnn, and any other liberal source.

Can they then explain why Trump is not pursuing said case? Seems to be a pretty large, gaping hole in their theory . . .

I don't care where you're getting your information, but if the source were credible, someone would be putting it forward in court, and we would see court's relying on it. That is not happening. If you believe otherwise, please provide some links.

There are numerous cases ongoing where the evidence is being put forward by not only Trump's team but independent suits as well. People have come out of the woodwork with testimony, evidence, data, and statistics. There's so much evidence I cannot keep up with all of it. Will it make it through a corrupt system that nobody trusts any more? I don't know, but it wouldn't be the first time in this country corruption won over facts and truth. It happens all too often.

I'm not going to spend my time trying to prove to everyone who questions me by posting evidence they aren't going to take seriously anyway. They can do research just like I have and am. Unlike some here, I have taken the time to listen to counter-arguments and points. I can even appreciate the good ones. I'm staunch on this because I have done and am right now doing my due diligence. If I find something that nullifies something I thought to be true, I make note of that.

If your research has led you to different conclusions, that's fine. For the moment, we both have the right to think as we will. Let's hope it stays that way.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: johnnylaw16

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: johnnylaw16
I can believe you or I can believe the attorneys I've talked to in person about this.

Thinking......

Yeah, I think I will take their word over yours.

Cool. Care to explain what they are saying?

Both have said Trump has a case on the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence alone. Add to that what has been revealed up to this point and any non-partisan, non-activist judge would be more than a little interested in the case.

No credible source is suggesting that anything nefarious happened.

I'm guessing your "credible sources" are politifact, cnn, and any other liberal source.

Can they then explain why Trump is not pursuing said case? Seems to be a pretty large, gaping hole in their theory . . .

I don't care where you're getting your information, but if the source were credible, someone would be putting it forward in court, and we would see court's relying on it. That is not happening. If you believe otherwise, please provide some links.

There are numerous cases ongoing where the evidence is being put forward by not only Trump's team but independent suits as well. People have come out of the woodwork with testimony, evidence, data, and statistics. There's so much evidence I cannot keep up with all of it. Will it make it through a corrupt system that nobody trusts any more? I don't know, but it wouldn't be the first time in this country corruption won over facts and truth. It happens all too often.

I'm not going to spend my time trying to prove to everyone who questions me by posting evidence they aren't going to take seriously anyway. They can do research just like I have and am. Unlike some here, I have taken the time to listen to counter-arguments and points. I can even appreciate the good ones. I'm staunch on this because I have done and am right now doing my due diligence. If I find something that nullifies something I thought to be true, I make note of that.

If your research has led you to different conclusions, that's fine. For the moment, we both have the right to think as we will. Let's hope it stays that way.

The only people claiming to put forward evidence are bat# crazy lawyers like Powell and Wood, who are too crazy for even Gulliani to get behind, and their cases are being dismissed left and right. If any of this were real, why is Trump himself not arguing it in court? You never answered that question, and that is the question that should make you question everything that you thinking in this regard.

a reply to: johnnylaw16
There was enough evidence to convince several members of the PA legislature to work toward appointing their own electors. And at least some of the evidence Powell and Wood have been working with and adding to is the same evidence the liberal media and the democrats were harping about before and after the 2016 election and as recent as last year. They were absolutely sure back then that Dominion and its affiliates were evil, and voting machines had been hacked. Now suddenly they are silent about it. The videos have been posted here and on youtube.

The Trump team has to take the shortest route possible because of time constraints, but they ARE arguing this evidence in court and now in front of representatives in different states, as well as an upcoming case in Nevada.

None of this matters though. We have reached an impasse. We are not going to convince one another of anything.

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: Boadicea

The court of public opinion is the only one that seems to think this evidence exists - and like all courts of opinion everyone is the judge and jury.

Yup! That's pretty much how the court of public opinion works, eh? We can make a lot of noise and we can demand answers and not much more than that...

Lucky for the innocent AND the guilty that we have an actual legal system and other avenues to pursue such matters.

And lucky for us and the integrity of the election process as well.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: johnnylaw16
There was enough evidence to convince several members of the PA legislature to work toward appointing their own electors. And at least some of the evidence Powell and Wood have been working with and adding to is the same evidence the liberal media and the democrats were harping about before and after the 2016 election and as recent as last year. They were absolutely sure back then that Dominion and its affiliates were evil, and voting machines had been hacked. Now suddenly they are silent about it. The videos have been posted here and on youtube.

The Trump team has to take the shortest route possible because of time constraints, but they ARE arguing this evidence in court and now in front of representatives in different states, as well as an upcoming case in Nevada.

None of this matters though. We have reached an impasse. We are not going to convince one another of anything, but I still appreciate your posts, because ATS is not an echo chamber and I hope it never becomes one like most of the media has.

And I don't fault you for having a different viewpoint than mine, but I do implore you to take a critical look at what is being put forward in court, by whom, and how the courts are viewing it. Trump and Gulliani are lying to you. Their cases are being dismissed faster than they can file them. As an attorney with years of state and federal litigation experience, I can say without a doubt that, if there was any actual evidence of mass voter fraud, Trump would be the FIRST one to put it forward in court. You don't have to just take my word for it--these are public filings.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: uncommitted
a reply to: Boadicea

The court of public opinion is the only one that seems to think this evidence exists - and like all courts of opinion everyone is the judge and jury.

Yup! That's pretty much how the court of public opinion works, eh? We can make a lot of noise and we can demand answers and not much more than that...

Lucky for the innocent AND the guilty that we have an actual legal system and other avenues to pursue such matters.

And lucky for us and the integrity of the election process as well.

I think as you've displayed throughout this thread, the court of public opinion on ATS seems to be stating what you think is the truth and calling it fact. Nothing to do with integrity I'm afraid. Where exactly is all this evidence you keep saying you have seen? From something at least approaching being a reliable source please.