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There is no need to identify the poor wise child and the old foolish king, to do so is to add confusion and not clarity. In the end the same thing happens to them all. Or have you all ready forgotten the context of what Solomon has been ideally telling us about the condition of men in the Pre-cross Israeli Kingdom? And that is the fate of all men is death in this world. Without God in his life a man (generic) in this world can only have joy in his work, his food and his possessions. Before God all are bare and needy and all their righteousness is as filthy rags. So wasting time trying to identify a fictional person used to make a point, and not to try and give the readers a spiritual application that applies to their lives today is a waste. You missed the spiritual application of verse 14 because the RSV made a change to the scriptures and thereby gave another meaning to the text and lost that which had been there for thousands of years.
Eccl 4:13-16Better is a poor and a wise child than an old and foolish king, who will no more be admonished. For out of prison he cometh to reign; whereas also he that is born in his kingdom becometh poor. I considered all the living which walk under the sun, with the second child that shall stand up in his stead. There is no end of all the people, even of all that have been before them: they also that come after shall not rejoice in him. Surely this also is vanity and vexation of spirit.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Disraeli, I am not attacking you. I am sure you are a great person,
Then post it in your thread. If you do that and it is even near the REAL Spiritual applicaiton of the Text I promise not to comment on your threads ever again.
1Co 2:10; 13 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. . . . Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Says the one who has openly admitted to plagiarism on ATS.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ChesterJohn
I keep drawing attention to the absence of honesty and truthfulness in your accounts of what I have written.
Without the Spirit of God men can only give us worldly opinions of God's words and answers why some cannot understand or mock at the deeper things God has revealed in his word.
Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
that is why he hideth himself and why the KJB states it that way. Not an error but to a deeper understanding. Because Jesus never hid the world.
1 Cor 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Great idea! However most of my messages are on my home computer here at work I only have a Bible which is where I post from most of the time.
And if I do I already know you will be criticizing me for no other reason than because I have of you. Not an accusation just fact from your reactions to my replies.
Jesus Christ died in man's place and went into prison i.e.Hell. that is where he preached unto those in prison
Eccl 4:14a "For out of prison he cometh to reign;"
When Jesus Rose on the third day he "out of prison", that prison was ours yet he went into it to redeem us who believe on him. Now while he has come forth to reign he is not reigning yet. He will reign when he comes back the second time as the KING of KINGS. So here we have a son, a child who cometh out of prison to reign over God's Kingdom and the Kingdom of Heaven, which is Israel. And he will.
1Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
We can see two great truths here. The one born in his Kingdom was Jesus Christ born into this world. It tells us he became poor
Eccl 4:14b "whereas also he that is born in his kingdom becometh poor.
and we can also see this apply to anyone who believes on Christ as he is born into his kingdom, that is born again. We too become poor spiritually when we don't rely on our own Righteousness to save us but the righteousness of Christ which was imputed to us. And as indicated in the verse in 1 Cor 8:9 if Christ became poor for our sake how much more we should become poor for our brethren's sake by giving out of our bounty, that is what is left over after paying our bills and responsibilities. There is a promise with this "as we sow, so shall we reap" So everything you give will be given back even more abundantly. We never lose when we are giving in the right way.
2Cor 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
2Cor 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and [yet] possessing all things.
2Co 9:6 ¶ But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.