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It's time for Criminal Reform

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posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
we hear all about police reform. Cops need to not shoot brown men. I can get behind that. I don't want to see anyone killed.
In that light, I think it's time for the brown community as a whole to take a good deep look at what makes these horrible things happen.
If you have a weapon in your hand, and the police tell you to drop the weapon, you have two choices at that moment.
1. drop the weapon and comply
2. get shot

I wish it were more complicated to ease the pain of these shootings but it really isn't.

If you want to live to love another day, you have to stop being idiots. You have to understand reality. the alternative is that police will not come to any call where brown men are acting violent. They can just stay at the precinct and wait for the bodies to arrive at the morgue.

I'm not trying to single out brown men here, but that does seem to be the top demographic that has issues with being killed by the police. fair skinned men have also not complied and been shot, but their deaths don't cause any extemporaneous violence.

So please, make this a thing, like a public awareness campaign of sorts. Inform all those who would be on the receiving end of a cops weapon. When the police say "drop the weapon", just drop the weapon. If something bad happens after that, everyone has a right to be upset and demand change.


Depends on the weapon and the range. A man with a knife or club is no threat at 20-25 feet. The goal should be to disarm him rather than kill him. A taser works well in that situation. A handgun is a bit different.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Mental issues?

Hell, I have mental issues but I know right from wrong.

Before we bemoan the fate of the gentleman in question, perhaps we should ascertain what his "mental issues" actually were.

I have an irrational fear of dentists. Literally. PSTD-type fear. They won't work on my teeth because my blood pressure goes dangerous.

I have a standing order for triazolam whenever I go. (Just took one for my 11 o'clock appointment)

That's a "mental issue".



Schizophrenics and/or those with bi-polar issues that have them so out of whack/hallucinating that they’re no longer functioning in reality.

I thought a lot of that stuff was BS until I witnessed a few examples with my own eyes.

I also had an irrational fear of dentists after some work that was done when I was a little kid. That dentist lost his license and was sued for abuse and malpractice back in the late 80’s/early 90’s. I didn’t see a dentist for over 30 years. Finally went before my wedding and found an AMAZING place that numbs ya up so well you literally cannot feel a thing!



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: Drucifer
Finally went before my wedding and found an AMAZING place that numbs ya up so well you literally cannot feel a thing!


Hunter's Pipe and Numb Family Dentistry?



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: Drucifer
Yeah, I know a dude like that. Or I knew him like 15 years ago, my gramma is trying to help take care of him now. He was always out there, but now he is full on nuts. He has money to live normally, but refuses to rent an apartment/house, because the government keeps bugging his apartments and puts hidden spy cameras everywhere. The mental institutions should have been heavily reformed, instead of prettymuch dismantled back in the day. Now they just end up on the streets or in jail.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Drucifer
Finally went before my wedding and found an AMAZING place that numbs ya up so well you literally cannot feel a thing!


Hunter's Pipe and Numb Family Dentistry?




I was too old for that practice and they referred me to another. I did find it odd that they kept asking me if I had any friends in Russia or China though. Then Giuliani popped up out of a sewer and said “Gotcha! Give me that laptop!”, and I was like, “Dude, this is a notebook, like a real one.”, then he started tucking in his shirt, I guess, repeatedly and asked if it was a diary.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Drucifer
Yeah, I know a dude like that. Or I knew him like 15 years ago, my gramma is trying to help take care of him now. He was always out there, but now he is full on nuts. He has money to live normally, but refuses to rent an apartment/house, because the government keeps bugging his apartments and puts hidden spy cameras everywhere. The mental institutions should have been heavily reformed, instead of prettymuch dismantled back in the day. Now they just end up on the streets or in jail.


I had an acquaintance who was a paranoid schizophrenic, he was fine if he was taking his meds, but after 3 days without them, it would get scary. I didn’t like the guy even when he was taking his meds, but we had a lot of mutual friends and he eventually became my best friend’s boyfriend. I moved out of state around that time but kept in touch and the guy would go on violent tirades, smash the entire house, beat the hell out of her, her kid, it was pretty intense. The cops were there regularly and would always show up with 5-6 officers to subdue him. Tiny dude, too, like 5”1’, 130lbs tiny.

There was another kid in high school who you could tell was a bit off his rocker, at least 3-4x a year he’d just flip out and start flipping desks over, throwing anything he could get his hands on, clearing shelves off in one swipe. The school intervention officer (an actual LEO) had to subdue him numerous times, usually by backing him into a wall or corner with his baton. That kid killed himself my Senior year and it really messed a lot of my peers up. Most weren’t used to dealing with mental illness, never mind a suicide.

Point is, when your screws are finally so loose that nothing is being held together right, all bets are off. Both of the people above would believe they were being attacked or chased when absolutely nothing was going on. You practically need a net launched out of a t-shirt cannon or something to get them subdued and pray they don’t work their way out of it.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
That's only because British police do not normally carry guns. But that didn't stop them shooting a terrorist on London bridge armed with a blade.
I used to work with a mentally ill person and every year or so he would "flip". They would take him away to what he used to say was a holiday camp and the would give him the "zuzz" treatment and he would return to work 3 or 4 weeks later completely calm.
But after returning from one of these "episodes" he came to a group of us having a break and quietly said " I could kill all of you and get away with it because I've got a piece of paper to say I'm insane". He was deadly serious and was given a wide berth from then on.
Another time was an episode I wont recall here but showed thenon logic of his mentality, with very, very dangerous results.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: network dude

If you want to reform the police, advocate to end the militarization of police.

If you want to reform the police, advocate to end the legal sophistry known as qualified immunity. Make it so they can be sued for their malfeasance on a case by case basis.

If you want to reform the police, advocate to end the police unions who protect the bad apples.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
But that didn't stop them shooting a terrorist on London bridge armed with a blade.


I think we both know I wasn't referring to terrorists.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 04:12 PM
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A lot of things need to change. For one BLM needs to go away I am convinced it is nothing but a scam. I read they got around 2 billion dollars in donations this year. You know that is going in the leader's pockets. They haven't come up with any reasonable reforms. Defund the police, who are they kidding. Dumb liberal teens are my guess. The rest are socialist demands like free college and reparations. And, why do they keep protesting incidents where a guy gets shot when it is justified? There are dozens of videos where blacks and whites are innocent but get railroaded or killed but that doesn't get a peep out of BLM.

I have thought of a couple of solutions for both the police and the communities and I am not that smart so don't tell me they are all dumber than me. Most of them maybe, but not all.

The communities need to set up a review board that regularly pull random body cam footage to weed out cops who regularly violate rights and push to have them off the force.

Body cams need to have software updates so their buffer time is at least 5 minutes and audio should not be disabled. Just look at how many bad cops have been caught doing things like planting evidence with a 30-second buffer. Those are just incompetent cops. There was one cop that I know of that forgot to turn off his camera at a traffic stop where he was telling other cops that he was going to try to trigger some bikers he pulled to give him an excuse to kill them. In his own words, he said "that should earn him a paid vacation." He was allowed to retire.

That is another thing. There needs to be a statewide or even a nationwide database on cops that have been fired or forced to leave due to bad conduct in it's many forms. In Arizona, it is called the Brady list but it isn't kept up to date. There is a county there whose precinct is made up of 90% disgraced cops and there have been some videos out showing just how tyrannical they are. A few of them ran from the cops because they were driving drunk.

I believe that if those measures were taken it would weed out the bad cops as well as rebuild the trust of cops in the communities. I am just a dummy and maybe those ideas have huge flaws in them. If so please point them out.


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posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Yes, but I think most of the ones who cannot manage to drop the weapon and comply with police authority are going to be many of the same ones who also couldn't comply when Mrs. Jones told them to sit down and be quiet so she could teach that valuable lesson in school, too.

Discipline ... it is a vanishing virtue today.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
Inform all those who would be on the receiving end of a cops weapon. When the police say "drop the weapon", just drop the weapon. If something bad happens after that, everyone has a right to be upset and demand change.


How do we handle the people with mental illnesses who end up with knives, screwdrivers and such who aren't really processing that order? I think sometimes the police go too frequently to flatblast mode instead of non-lethal methods. There needs to be better training to handle the people with obvious mental issues, particularly when they get a call about someone with mental issues and end up killing them.




Mental Health is a very big part of all this. But when you have no options but to call the police, don't have that surprised look on your face when the guy with the weapon who lunged at the cops you called shoot the guy with the weapon.

What if there was someone else to call? Like the mental health hospital? Someone in our recent past did away with those. We can play the blame game, but that gets old quick.

I just wonder, why don't the folks who champion pissing on the cops, put their energy into finding a solution for mental health problems? Someone needs to. I heard that guy Trump will listen to folks who come to him and ask him about stuff, but since he's orange, most won't. That's kind of a shame.

But if a crazy guy has a weapon, he's more dangerous than a non crazy guy. I'd think he's more apt to get shot. Calling the cops seemed like an incredibly stupid thing to do. it's like they haven't heard of "hands up, don't shoot".



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

your ideas sound like a good start.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Yep.

Mental health is an issue that could be worked on, but it's against the rights of the mentally ill to put them in hospitals and keep them there.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Boadicea

Yes, but I think most of the ones who cannot manage to drop the weapon and comply with police authority are going to be many of the same ones who also couldn't comply when Mrs. Jones told them to sit down and be quiet so she could teach that valuable lesson in school, too.

Discipline ... it is a vanishing virtue today.


Fair enough and true enough... unfortunately.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
What if there was someone else to call? Like the mental health hospital? Someone in our recent past did away with those. We can play the blame game, but that gets old quick.


I'd be open to any solution that doesn't involve shooting people when it can be safely avoided.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
What if there was someone else to call? Like the mental health hospital? Someone in our recent past did away with those. We can play the blame game, but that gets old quick.


I'd be open to any solution that doesn't involve shooting people when it can be safely avoided.


I don't know why the mental health hospitals all closed down, but they did and nothing replaced them.
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posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
I don't know why the mental health hospitals all closed down, but they did and nothing replaced them.
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Our streets.



posted on Oct, 27 2020 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: network dude
I don't know why the mental health hospitals all closed down, but they did and nothing replaced them.
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Our streets.


Our Congress.



posted on Oct, 28 2020 @ 05:07 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
Our Congress.


It is an insane asylum.



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