Brexit: UK Irish Border

I just want this on record now
The Uk are attempting to alter the Irish part of the Brexit deal, the Northern Ireland Protocol, which dictates that there will be border checks between the island of Ireland and the Island of Britain (North sea border); that being transfer of goods between Ireland and Britain would be subject to checks, levis, and taxes.
They now want to remove such checks through the Internal Market Bill, which dictates that there will be no such checks from Ireland to Uk.
The Uk has the DUP (N.I ulster/British affiliate party) on board; which has raised eyebrows... why are the DUP buying into the British govt decision which strengthens the Irish position of a non north-south border.
The reason is simple.
The UK is passing the buck.
They dont have to enforce a EU (irish)/UK border restrictions, and are hands off on any hard border, tax /levi issues; and at the same time they know, because of EU rules, that eventually the EU will force Ireland (EU member) to enforce the border regulations that the UK didnt.
So, down the line, the EU will force Ireland to enforce border controls due to EU rules.
Thats going to happen. But it will be Irelands problem, and UK can cleanse hands.
UK playing 4D chess...but some see it....

a reply to: Midnite247

Pretty much what Mexico are doing with the US border .. Except in that case the US actually want the wall.

Will the EU have to cough up the cash to fund it is the question.

a reply to: Midnite247

IF the border between the UK and Eira remains fluid and almost as it was under the EU that will pose a potential huge benefit for both the UK and Eira, Eira would then act as a proxy for the UK in trade and good's passing through the republic into the EU, this in turn would actually increase jobs on both sides of that border and make some Irish freight port's and airports very busy places indeed.

The EU would however be leery of this and seek to put restriction in place if not at the time then certainly afterwards since the UK suffering is the only way that the Troika can scare monger other nations into remaining part of the failed experiment (France may be a bit miffed since a lot of trade that currently services there economy would then go via Spain and Portugal biting into there lion's share of the EU/UK trade route but let's be fair who is really bothered about France feeling's half of them hate us and always have, there navy are even seen to be escorting migrant boats until they are handed off into British Waters as they seek to pass the buck of what is fundamentally and legaly THERE problem onto the UK (Don't get me wrong there are a lot of Good French and many Love us just as other's Hate us, but remember Vichy and Maquis are both on the same team now - though it looks like the Vichy won as the French are now so far up the Germans derriere they look like a second set of legs on Germany and so much for the French independence so many Maquis lay down there lives for).

Since we dug that Eurotunnel we have had RABIS in the country which formerly was unknown in the UK, Since open borders Squatters from Romania, Bulgaria and even Turkey which is not EU but was a partner for a while have taken over people's homes in the UK even while people were at work, despite a change in the law getting rid of them is a civil matter so the police seldom do anything.

Not everything about the EU was bad but let's be fair Porous borders, increases in Terrorism from NON EU migrant's whom have saturated Europe and threaten Europe's Christian tradition's etc can not be whitewashed away by liars and lunatic's whom preach Tolerance (For everyone else but against the indigenous peoples and traditions of Europe).

The Open borders policy was only ever meant for European's not migrants from outside the EU yet look at Sweden today among other places.
Greed meant that the likes of Bulgaria and Romania were RUSHED into full membership even while there economy's were third world causing a massive displacement of there people to other European economy's and this despite protestation's by the more cool headed whom wanted to first bring there economy's up to standard before allowing them full EU access but greed, the chance for the Troika to invest heavily and get cheap labour which is, was and has always been harmful to entrenched labour in the more developed nations of Europe ensures that they were brought in as fast as possible along with the huge problems they imported to the rest of Europe with them, many of there people are damned good folk's but many are unscrupulous and will sell there own sister into the sex trade or rob you blind or pick pocket granny at the ATM and all the while swindle your nation for as much of it's benefits as possible while at the same time claiming benefits in OTHER EU nations.

Thankfully a Tory leader (David Cameron who thought we were going to vote to remain and that it would give him a licence to do pretty much what he wanted he was a total Europhile and made a mistake that played in our favour in the end and to his own detriment) made a mistake thinking we were going to vote to stay in and gave the still sensible people of the UK a chance to choose and we chose OUT of that flaming mess.

Now the EU are trying to water it down, to keep us in the EU in all but name or to punish us if they can by wrecking our economy (Slowly so it does not shock there's), I think Germany has realized that the City of London which is actually a separate country within the UK much as the Vatican is in Rome (But for very different reasons) is not going to pack up and move to there nation which was there day dream, well after the war a former Nazi German General said to one of our guy's "You may have won this war but we will win the next and it shall be an economic war".

a reply to: Midnite247

And what is the problem?

The people in The Republic want this.
The people in Ulster want this.

The only people who don't are the wankers in the EU who can't relax any of their rules even if people want it and will benefit from it.

Typical of the uncompromising and bullying nature of the EU.

a reply to: Midnite247

The EU have been playing " dirty tricks " ( no suprise there ).

You need to watch this secretly filmed video of Michel Barnier trying to stich up The U.K. regrding the Irish Border.



The EU are a bunch of tossers.

I agree... both sides want this...
but that is the problem... Ireland is part of the EU and therefore subject to EU ruling, which theyve demonstrated theyre more than prepared to cave to time and time again, 2008 bail out resulted in massive tax hikes for Irish ;
UK are banking on Irish capatulation to EU rule.
UK will wipe their hands of the "EU issue", and force EUs hand to use ireland as the EU proxy to enforce those EU rules on their side.
as soon as EU dictate to the Irish to impose north/south border controls, you can guarantee itll happen.
a reply to: Freeborn

# the EU

Tare up the WA

Clean break

again # the EU
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thats like saying tear up the constitution.
a reply to: rigel4

a reply to: Midnite247

Nope!
Its not.

Its about taking back our laws and sovereignty!

THE WA is there to keep the UK in perpetuity tied to the EU's laws and ECOJ

## the EU

What the people in Irish Republic need to ask themselves is at what point did their politicians cede foreign policy to the EU?

At the end of the day there are treaties between the UK and the Republic of Ireland which have sod all to do with the EU - the Belfast Agreement for example. If the RoI cannot make it work independently then the treaty is defunct and the UK needs to look at reducing the one-off arrangements with the RoI, such as the Common Travel Area which gives some significant rights for Irish citizens.

However, there is a long game going on here. We all know that the EU's greatest fear is the UK being successful outside the EU - as if that was ever in doubt. The EU want to break the UK up.

I dont get ur point.
wheres your gripe with the withdrawal agreement?
Mine is the fact that the specific element of the original Northern Ireland Protocol that specifies that there would be no hard north/south borders, but that any port/border checks would be carried out on a east/west border (ie; irish sea, on goods coming into the island of Ireland from the island of Britian, most likely using technology rather than hard borders) has now been overwritten by the UK "Internal Market bill" which suggests that there will be no so such irish sea border controls. and all checks/balances thrown out the window.
Why is this an issue? - No border checks/controls is obviously a good thing, but what this does is lets UK wash their hands of any responsibility and will in effect enforce the Irish government (as a member of the EU) to enforce the border on their side, making them the bad guys, forcing them to install north (non-EU)/south (EU) borders.

This is coming. Uk cutoff dec 31/2020 - north/south discussions mid 2021.
Its inevitable.

And what that has to do with the ECOJ when the UK had similar domestic legislation before that already? i dont see your point.
a reply to: rigel4

a reply to: Midnite247

The EU ARE the bad guys.

They refuse to compromise and are under the illusion they can bully the UK into accepting whatever deal they see fit.

They would rather jeopardise the peace in Ireland than see sense and put the wishes of people before their authoritarian agenda.

If the Irish people had anything about them they would see through this bull# and demand their government stand up to the EU.....but they daren't!
The last time Ireland stood up to the EU they simply ignored them and forced them to vote again so that they got the result they wanted.

The arrogance of the EU literally knows no bounds.

This is a perfect example of why the UK wanted to get out of the EU.....it really is getting to the point where everyone now thinks we should just resign ourselves to a No Deal and suck it and see - not an approach I would normally recommend but the EU simply refuses to see sense and in the words of that great Chinese philosopher; # 'em!

a reply to: Midnite247

Would you prefer returning to the IRA troubled years?

Will it come to having an EU "police" force of some kind controlling that border?

Only half-kidding. The EU officials and power-behind-the-throne politicians like Merkel and Macron don't seem to grasp the need for compromise and nuance.

The Irish have only been useful to the EU as a prod to the UK. That was made clear by the way they handled the Irish regarding the tax haven situation. If the Irish try to set up a sensible arrangement with the UK, the Eurocrats will be all over them. Scotland: note well how this situation proceeds.

@Midnite247: Great topic, S&F for you.

Cheers

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Nah, I'm sure they'll expect Ireland to front the bill and to post a satisfactory military presence / Razor Wire across the entire border to keep everyone out of the south.

Hmmm
And all that hullabaloo about trumps wall....
Seems borders matter after all

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
Will it come to having an EU "police" force of some kind controlling that border?

Only half-kidding.

Well, do not kid. With the incessant march toward a federal EU - something the citizens of the EU have no choice or say - an EU police force is probably on the Roadmap. Give it a decade.

Name ONE scenario where that would result and i will gladly comment.
Dont talk to me about IRA troubled years unless youve been in it.
(i saw a channel4 news interview with a US democrat senator who was responding to nancy pelosis *indignation* of the UKs Internal market bill, (a statement as relevant as Bidens visit to his oul Ireland roots...).. with the same indignation, calling out a UK reporter who has had 50 years boots on the ground experience in Northern Ireland, daring to suggest he knew more about Irish history and how Brexit would affect irish citizens..
EVERY person i know was disgusted with that arrogance
they only hurt themselves...
a reply to: purplemer

a reply to: Midnite247

I know about the troubles yes. Close the boarder and see.

Eire needs no boarders

well, that detailed, nuanced response aside, which border are you referring to? north/south? east/west? (north sea)
theres always been a soft north/south irish border even after the good friday agreement.
Im not going to insult you by saying you dont know what your talking about (or cheap shots about how to spell border).. but... well, i dont know how to finish that sentence...
a reply to: purplemer