Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

originally posted by: tachyonator9
Stop the semi-confrontation

Turbonium is a troll and needs to be confronted as such.

Personally, I stopped directly responding to him a while ago (for the most part) unless he says something intellectually dangerous that someone else begins to buy into.

He's been doing this for years dating back to the "Moon Landing Hoax" threads and "Space Isn't Real" threads. In fact, things he said in those threads directly contradict his claims in this thread, which is how I know he is trolling for the sake of trolling.

a reply to: turbonium1

I've already done that when I was still in college we used glass balls for the experiment works great. So instead of looking stupid thinking that lead balls are attracting because they are metallic ? Even though lead is probably the least reactive substance on the planet do to its density being the same as gold. This isnt the movies where people throw gold ricks into a backpack and run out the door gold is heavy about 27 lbs per brick

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

metal is used because of the density of the material...

Basically the more tightly compact the material is the more gravity it has...

this has been demonstrated in space in zero gravity... which you don't believe in except we can replicate it on earth as well

Objects with mass attract smaller objects and clump up...

Wood has very little density... so the result of using it would be pointless...

All your ridiculous excuses for this are 'pointless', that's for sure!

If you can't use ANY material to 'prove that gravity exists', your claim is complete BS, or you'd prove 'gravity' exists, by using NON-metal objects, instead of ALWAYS using them!

How about using the same LARGER lead ball, while replacing the OTHER lead ball, with a wooden, or a plastic ball?

Because you claim that the LARGE ball, attracts the SMALL ball towards it, by 'gravity', right?

So replace the SMALLER lead ball, with a wooden ball, or plastic ball, of the SAME size, or whatever size you want, then let's see what happens, or does NOT happen!!


It's the same test, only one object is wood, instead of lead, and is the SMALLER object, with LESS MASS than the other object, same as before, obviously!


You're just making up BS excuses, over and over again...


The GREATER mass is the lead ball, same as before. But if your claim is true, then the SMALLER mass, can be made of wood, or plastic, and remain the SAME SIZE, which was your lame excuse for NOT using non-metal objects.....

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: turbonium1

I've already done that when I was still in college we used glass balls for the experiment works great. So instead of looking stupid thinking that lead balls are attracting because they are metallic ? Even though lead is probably the least reactive substance on the planet do to its density being the same as gold. This isnt the movies where people throw gold ricks into a backpack and run out the door gold is heavy about 27 lbs per brick

Really? You used GLASS objects, GLASS balls, and one was attracted to the other one, and moved towards it?

Why aren't there ANY such tests, using GLASS objects, anywhere online, like those using LEAD balls?

All along, you said, or implied, that only lead/metal objects have been used, and NOTHING of glass, wood, plastic, in any way.

Until now, that is....


YOU claim to use GLASS objects, in college, and that it DID WORK, the same way, as with lead objects!


So please, go ahead, and replicate it, with glass balls, on video, and post it here, as proof of your claim......

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

metal is used because of the density of the material...

Basically the more tightly compact the material is the more gravity it has...

this has been demonstrated in space in zero gravity... which you don't believe in except we can replicate it on earth as well

Objects with mass attract smaller objects and clump up...

Wood has very little density... so the result of using it would be pointless...

Someone on your side, claims to have used GLASS objects, and that it worked the SAME way, as you'll see in a post below....

Oops!

a reply to: turbonium1

What are you babbling about. Answer the freaking questions.

And your list just grew…

Stop changing the subject and address what is posted…

Evidently the earths curvature can be measured and used to make a scale model called a “globe”


Man. You just look more ignorant than ever. And your list has grown.

Now….

Answer the question turbo, why is the most accurate way to map the distances and relative positions of points / places on the earth is by a spherical globe.

Why would the jet not maintain its altitude on a curved earth if the air pressure is essential the same all around the globe at 36,000 feet. And the way to increased altitude is to increase power and change control surfaces for less dense air? And what instrument should be measuring curved surface?

If there is no gravity, why does a jet have to create the force of lift to fly?

——New item to list because you keep digging yourself into a deeper hole.


But hang a piece of steel from a steel spring hanging scale, the force of gravity pulls on the piece of steel to cause the spring to stretch in accordance with Hooke’s law which needs a force like gravity to work on the spring. in your model when one mass meets another mass, it simply stops.

What more do you want from Sputnik being in earth’s orbit. Launch and success verified by countries that would have very much liked to discredit the USSR. It was taken as a military threat. The rocket was pictured in its travel for placing the satellite into orbit. Amateurs verified that Sputnik and a rocket stage was added to the visible night sky. The signal from Sputnik was actually tracked by scores of individuals that verified Sputnik was in orbit.

Man’s first step to travel the paths of comets.

And yet, you can’t explain how a hanging spring scale works in accordance with Hooke’s law without a force like gravity. And how a metal spring can be used to obtain the weight of less dense objects like a bag of feathers or a block of foam. In fact it contradicts and invalidates your world view. While other peoples arguments you falsely claim as lies works nicely in the overall explanation and documented effects of gravity. With examples like Hooke’s law and why airplanes need to create a force labeled lift.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

metal is used because of the density of the material...

Basically the more tightly compact the material is the more gravity it has...

this has been demonstrated in space in zero gravity... which you don't believe in except we can replicate it on earth as well

Objects with mass attract smaller objects and clump up...

Wood has very little density... so the result of using it would be pointless...

Someone on your side, claims to have used GLASS objects, and that it worked the SAME way, as you'll see in a post below....

Oops!

As usually your argument required false narratives and taking items out of context..

The actual post.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: turbonium1

I've already done that when I was still in college we used glass balls for the experiment works great. So instead of looking stupid thinking that lead balls are attracting because they are metallic ? Even though lead is probably the least reactive substance on the planet do to its density being the same as gold. This isnt the movies where people throw gold ricks into a backpack and run out the door gold is heavy about 27 lbs per brick

Great is not claiming to act exactly the “same”.

And how does glass invalidate the experiment?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

metal is used because of the density of the material...

Basically the more tightly compact the material is the more gravity it has...

this has been demonstrated in space in zero gravity... which you don't believe in except we can replicate it on earth as well

Objects with mass attract smaller objects and clump up...

Wood has very little density... so the result of using it would be pointless...

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Uh-huh. So God specifically created air at lower density at altitude so we can fly planes in it. How does it keep thin?

The mass of Earth attracts the mass of air, not squashes it flat. It's more dense at the base for the same reason water at the ocean bottom is more compressed - because of the mass of material above it. Why is that? Why does a column of not very dense air push up a very dense column of mercury turbo? You never got round to answering that one.

Why wouldn't 'gravity' force ALL air, down to the surface, then? At over 50,000 feet altitude, no air would exist, if any 'force' existed in Earth, holding all things down to it's surface.

Clouds wouldn't even exist, they'd be pulled down to Earth, as well.

Only SOME objects are 'held down to Earth's surface', by your magical force. Others are not 'held down' to Earth, for some reason, but so what? The AIR isn't held down to Earth's surface, only MOST of it is 'pulled down to Earth's surface', but not ALL of it is, for some reason! Perhaps 'gravity' couldn't 'hold all the air down to Earth'!

Yes, that's your argument - MOST air is near to Earth's surface, since it's 'pulled down to Earth', by 'gravity' within the Earth!

If MOST of the air is near the surface, because a 'force' is 'holding it down to Earth', then ALL of the air, would be pulled down to Earth's surface, all the same way, without any exceptions. You claim this 'force' exists, in all objects, in Earth, and say Earth's mass, being greater than most objects, is 'holding down' objects, 'pulling down objects above Earth', based on it's greater mass, than the mass of objects, if not flying ones, or within seas below Earth's surface, or floating above Earth's surface, all the time, at 10-12 thousand feet altitude, or some part of it, but not most of it, which IS 'held down to Earth', or 'close enough to Earth's surface', that is considered to be 'held down to Earth', by that 'force'!

This same 'force' can hold a moon in a fixed distance AWAY from Earth, too! It does NOT 'pull the MOON, down to Earth's surface', unlike all other objects on Earth are, or most of them, anyway! It's unlike any actual, proven force, it's an INVENTED force, that doesn't actually exist at all, unlike actual forces do, and doesn't have to PROVE it exists, nor anything it is claimed to do, or cause, or partake in, or anything at all.

'Gravity' is absolute BS, and hasn't one shred of proof it even EXISTS at all. If you actually could prove it exists, in some way, or somewhere, or with examples of it in the real world, or anything at all, beyond claiming it exists, and pointing out that most objects already ARE on Earth, and never were anywhere BUT on Earth, and have NO reason to claim they did NOT originate on Earth, and no proof of being HELD DOWN to Earth, by some 'force' within Earth, or that any 'force' MUST exist within Earth, or all objects on Earth, would 'float' around in air, or in 'space'!

The problem is, there ISN'T a 'force', within Earth, that 'holds things down to the surface', or 'pulls things down from above Earth, to it's surface'.

If Earth WAS a ball, speeding through 'space', then it requires an explanation for why everything ON the Earth, doesn't fly off the Earth, into 'space', but it was already explained, because Earth is flat, covered by the firmament, and is fixed in place, and everything IS on Earth, from the beginning, and some fly in air, most do not fly, and will drop down in air, from their greater mass and density than the medium they are within, which is air. That's why objects in air, will fall through it, downward, until they hit the ground, which has more mass and density than the objects do, and that's why they STOP falling down.


Anyway, one of you have claimed to make glass balls attract together, by your magical 'force' - there must be videos of it, right?

originally posted by: neutronflux
Great is not claiming to act exactly the “same”.

And how does glass invalidate the experiment?

By the objects NOT 'attracting' to each other, that's how!

He said the test using glass balls worked 'great'.

Hmm, what could that POSSIBLY mean?

Isn't it blatantly obvious, to anyone?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux
Great is not claiming to act exactly the “same”.

And how does glass invalidate the experiment?

By the objects NOT 'attracting' to each other, that's how!

He said the test using glass balls worked 'great'.

Hmm, what could that POSSIBLY mean?

Isn't it blatantly obvious, to anyone?

Any object with weight will work it shows with mass we get gravity. instead of lead balls, this one uses bowling balls



Here she uses glass balls



So as you can see any object can be used

However, we can also measure the attraction of very small objects as well.

nerdist.com...

everything with mass has a gravitational field the larger the object the bigger the field. You can't deny this every student in physics has tried this experiment at some point.

a reply to: turbonium1

Ah the sound of goalposts being moved.

You wanted non-metallic examples of Cavendish, you have them. Time to change horses again.

a reply to: turbonium1

Answer the question turbo.

In your delusion of no gravity, and a mass simply stops another mass from moving. Why does hanging a twenty pound block of foam cause a more dense steel spring in a hanging spring scale to stretch in accordance with Hooke’s law?

Hooke's law is a law of physics that states that the force (F) needed to extend or compress a spring by some distance (x) scales linearly with respect to that distance—that is, Fs = kx, where k is a constant factor characteristic of the spring (i.e., its stiffness), and x is small compared to the total possible deformation of the spring. The law is named after 17th-century British physicist Robert Hooke. He first stated the law in 1676 as a Latin anagram.[1][2] He published the solution of his anagram in 1678[3] as: ut tensio, sic vis ("as the extension, so the force" or "the extension is proportional to the force"). Hooke states in the 1678 work that he was aware of the law since 1660.

en.m.wikipedia.org...'s_law

What causes high tides

What causes tidal bores

A tidal bore,[1] often simply given as bore in context, is a tidal phenomenon in which the leading edge of the incoming tide forms a wave (or waves) of water that travels up a river or narrow bay reversing the direction of the river or bay's current. It is a strong tide that pushes up the river, against the current.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

metal is used because of the density of the material...

Basically the more tightly compact the material is the more gravity it has...

this has been demonstrated in space in zero gravity... which you don't believe in except we can replicate it on earth as well

Objects with mass attract smaller objects and clump up...

Wood has very little density... so the result of using it would be pointless...

Someone on your side, claims to have used GLASS objects, and that it worked the SAME way, as you'll see in a post below....

Oops!

Oops what?

You've managed to prove yourself wrong for the millionth time?

Nothing new here... You'd think you would get bored of failing.... proving yourself wrong, and others proving you know nothing about anything you're talking about

but you keep at it... i always enjoy my weekend idiocy reads here

We know that all objects have mass, and density, of course.

We also know that AIR has mass and density, too.

And we know that almost all objects, have more mass and density than the AIR does.


You think, or assume, that all objects on Earth, didn't originate on Earth, or couldn't live on Earth, without a powerful 'force' within Earth, 'holding everything down to Earth', although there's NO PROOF of any actual 'force' at all, within Earth, or within any objects.

Your claim of all objects having a 'force', called 'gravity', within them, and makes all objects 'attract' to one another, by that 'force' within all objects.......is absolute nonsense. Easily PROVEN as nonsense.

Any two objects, even one metal, one not metal, never 'attract' to one another, no matter how massive one object is, compared to the other object, no matter how close together they are set in place, at first, or so forth....


They do NOT 'attract' to one another, by 'gravity'. You claim they DO 'attract' to one another, but only instruments can measure it, not by human eye, usually, but it can be seen, at times, by eye alone, too!

No, they are easily measured, it just measures the SAME as before, and always does measure the same, you're trying to excuse it as a finite, undetectable movement of the objects, only identified with certain instruments, showing the finite movements, not shown with most instruments available to the public.


You'll make up any excuses for it, and always do. It's easy to make up excuses for things, but it never changes the reality, the truth, or the facts. It's often delusional.

Anything that 'pulls' on us, is felt by us, and we never feel a 'pull' from below us, when in the air above Earth, at all.
If we were 'pulled down to Earth from below us', we'd certainly feel it.

When we're pulled from behind, when our coats are caught in a door we went through, it's felt by us, as a pull from behind. When suspended in a harness, up in the air, we feel ourselves being held up in air, or suspended in air. A wind at our back is felt as a push forward by the wind, and it feels like we are being pushed back by wind, by going in the opposite direction.


Our normal day to day lives don't have us being pulled, or pushed, in any way, until it DOES happen to us, once in awhile, and it's noticeable at once, and felt at once, as a pull, or a push, or so on.

Every pull or push on us, is felt as a pull or push on us, by an external force acting on us, pulling us, pushing us, with a strong wind, or someone grapping our leg from below, or a door snagging our coat from behind, and when we're attached to wires, or a harness, and PULLED UP, into air, we feel it as a pull upward on us.


My longtime friend is a professional skydiver, and expert instructor, with over 6,000 jumps alone, with many more tethered to students, or so forth.

And if he, or anyone else who has skydived at all, once, or lives for it, like my bud, and anyone else who's done it, or wishes to do it, for anyone's 'bucket list', perhaps, those who have done it, and those who live for it 24/7.....

One of the most remarkable, breathtaking experiences, is skydiving, of course. I had a chance to do it, but it was too expensive for me, at the time, but I wish I could've done it, and I will, some day, hopefully.

But here is my point - NOBODY would ever love to skydive, if they had ever felt themselves being PULLED DOWN BY SOME 'FORCE', FROM BELOW! Not a chance in hell!

They do NOT feel themselves being 'pulled down' from below....never.

They feel free, in fact, like never before. If they felt a pull from below on them, nobody would do it again, because it would NOT feel free at all, just the opposite.

Anyone here has jumped off a fence, or whatever, from a decent height.....so have I, a few times, with one in particular, that I didn't see coming, and I went airborne, hit the sidewalk at high speed, and my buddy thought I was dead. I got lucky, I guess, but it felt horrible. I didn't feel a 'pull' from below, just a free fall in air, and felt a huge impact, moments later.


When they've told us that this 'force' exists, within Earth, that 'pulls all things down to the surface', they imply that our very senses, are not to be trusted, that when we fall in air, we are actually being PULLED DOWN FROM BELOW, BY A FORCE!

And unlike every OTHER time, when we DO feel a pull on us, THIS WILL BE a very different type of 'pull' on us, from below, that NOBODY will feel at all, as a pull!


They would never lie, of course!

a reply to: turbonium1

You

We also know that AIR has mass and density, too.

And we know that almost all objects, have more mass and density than the AIR does.

Ok. Then using you demented logic, address what was actually posted.and stop changing the subject with you incoherent manifestos..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Answer the question turbo.

In your delusion of no gravity, and a mass simply stops another mass from moving. Why does hanging a twenty pound block of foam cause a more dense steel spring in a hanging spring scale to stretch in accordance with Hooke’s law?

Hooke's law is a law of physics that states that the force (F) needed to extend or compress a spring by some distance (x) scales linearly with respect to that distance—that is, Fs = kx, where k is a constant factor characteristic of the spring (i.e., its stiffness), and x is small compared to the total possible deformation of the spring. The law is named after 17th-century British physicist Robert Hooke. He first stated the law in 1676 as a Latin anagram.[1][2] He published the solution of his anagram in 1678[3] as: ut tensio, sic vis ("as the extension, so the force" or "the extension is proportional to the force"). Hooke states in the 1678 work that he was aware of the law since 1660.

en.m.wikipedia.org...'s_law

What causes high tides

What causes tidal bores

A tidal bore,[1] often simply given as bore in context, is a tidal phenomenon in which the leading edge of the incoming tide forms a wave (or waves) of water that travels up a river or narrow bay reversing the direction of the river or bay's current. It is a strong tide that pushes up the river, against the current.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: dragonridr
Any object with weight will work it shows with mass we get gravity. instead of lead balls, this one uses bowling balls

Here she uses glass balls

So as you can see any object can be used

However, we can also measure the attraction of very small objects as well.

nerdist.com...

everything with mass has a gravitational field the larger the object the bigger the field. You can't deny this every student in physics has tried this experiment at some point.

They claim it's done with some micro-sized objects, so why not prove it with massive objects, everyone can see for themselves, and film it themselves, too?

Why not suspend in air, some 20 ton block of stone, and suspend a little pebble right beside it, in a warehouse or some controlled environment, and see if they 'attract' by 'gravity?

A 20 ton stone should easily 'pull in' a little pebble, right? Why not demonstrate it, with one massive object, and one tiny object? That's NEVER going to be done, is it? Why not?


They know it would fail, that's why they'll never attempt it in public.

This would prove what they claim is true, or prove it is all BS. I know which it is, and so do they. And they'll never do it, because they aren't that stupid.


I have NEVER felt myself being 'pulled down' from below, while in air. Nor have I ever felt a pull from ANY object on Earth, either.

Have YOU ever felt yourself being 'pulled down' from below, while in air? Not at all, right?

We humans know what a 'pull' on us, really feels like. It is unmistakable. An external force, like the wind, pushes against us, or with us, and we know which one it is, because we feel it.

A fall isn't a pulling down, it is a free movement with no external force acting on us, 'pulling us down', by some sort of 'force' from below.

How does it feel to stand on the 30th floor of a hirise? It's no different than standing on the ground, right? If there was 'gravity', within Earth, why doesn't it 'pull down' on us, being on the 30th floor of a hirise? If you dangled over a ledge on the 30th floor, you would not feel yourself being 'pulled down' from below, either.

I'm sure you know, like all of us know, what a 'pull' on you feels like, right? But you don't feel a 'pull' on you from below, when above Earth, in air, or on the 30th floor of a hirise, dangling over a ledge.

Everything you claim about 'gravity', is based on it being a 'pulling' force, which 'pulls down' all objects above Earth, to it's surface, below. The one and only thing 'gravity' does, is 'pull' objects towards other objects, of greater mass, and greater 'gravity' within it.

And that's the problem here - there never IS any 'pull' at all. We all know what a pull feels like on us, whenever it does happen, and it has happened to everyone of us, many times over our lifetimes. Many, many different 'pulls' may have happened, but they are all felt, as a pull, acting on us.


Everyone here knows that a 'pull' on us, no matter what it is, will be felt as a pull on us. Being 'pulled' by something, anything, is always felt by us. Even the slightest pull on us, is felt. Not as strongly felt, but still felt, as a pull on us.


When we are above the Earth, in air, or in a hirise, there is NOTHING 'pulling down' on us, from below, or we'd all feel it.

Anyone knows the feeling of being 'pulled' by something. I certainly know the feeling of being 'pulled' by something. I've felt it countless times in my life, and I'm sure all of you have, as well.

'Pulling' is the very foundation of 'gravity'. That's how we know it doesn't exist, because we never feel ourselves being 'pulled down' by it. This 'pulling force', which nobody has ever felt at all, is up to you - Either it exists as a pulling force, nobody can feel as a pull on them, unlike every other pull that we have felt countless times before, would be the only 'pull' that cannot be felt, even though it is specifically claimed to be a pulling force.... or you know when you're being pulled by something, as it's been felt many times in your lifetime, so if there WERE a pull on you, from below, you would know it, right away. And when you do NOT feel anything of a pull on you, from anywhere at all, you know there is NOTHING PULLING ON YOU!


I know when I'm being pulled by something, and I always will know it. And I know if I'm NOT being pulled by something, too.

Do any of YOU know it, just like I do? For sure you do. Trust your own senses, not a pack of liars telling you to NOT trust your own senses, and trust what THEY tell you, instead!

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You

We also know that AIR has mass and density, too.

And we know that almost all objects, have more mass and density than the AIR does.

Ok. Then using you demented logic, address what was actually posted.and stop changing the subject with you incoherent manifestos..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Answer the question turbo.

In your delusion of no gravity, and a mass simply stops another mass from moving. Why does hanging a twenty pound block of foam cause a more dense steel spring in a hanging spring scale to stretch in accordance with Hooke’s law?

Hooke's law is a law of physics that states that the force (F) needed to extend or compress a spring by some distance (x) scales linearly with respect to that distance—that is, Fs = kx, where k is a constant factor characteristic of the spring (i.e., its stiffness), and x is small compared to the total possible deformation of the spring. The law is named after 17th-century British physicist Robert Hooke. He first stated the law in 1676 as a Latin anagram.[1][2] He published the solution of his anagram in 1678[3] as: ut tensio, sic vis ("as the extension, so the force" or "the extension is proportional to the force"). Hooke states in the 1678 work that he was aware of the law since 1660.

en.m.wikipedia.org...'s_law

What causes high tides

What causes tidal bores

A tidal bore,[1] often simply given as bore in context, is a tidal phenomenon in which the leading edge of the incoming tide forms a wave (or waves) of water that travels up a river or narrow bay reversing the direction of the river or bay's current. It is a strong tide that pushes up the river, against the current.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

I know it isn't 'gravity' at all, since it doesn't even exist. Nor would it ever make sense, if it DID exist, either. How would a wave be caused by your magical force? Yes, it does whatever you say it does, magically. Not in reality, of course, as it doesn't even exist, in the real world.

You've already got a magical force, which doesn't hold down insects or birds, but it sure does hold down massive oceans like nothing! It's also supposed to be strongest at the source, which is the Earth, but 'pulls down' objects the same way, same speed, at all altitudes above that 'source' within Earth! It's an 'equal opportunity' force, I suppose? But it somehow can even 'hold a moon, far away from the source', if it wants to!

Of course, we all know that it makes all our instruments read level, to actually mean 'level to Earth's curvature', too!

I'm sure the moon has gravity, which causes tides on Earth, while Earth will only hold it in place, far away, because it wants to! It may be a pulling force, but it can hold stuff at a distance, too, and never be felt 'pulling down' on us, either!



What can 'gravity' NOT do, is the question here, right?

It can do anything, of course. Just not anything consistent or sensible, but that's okay with me!

a reply to: turbonium1

A 20 ton stone should easily 'pull in' a little pebble, right? Why not demonstrate it, with one massive object, and one tiny object? That's NEVER going to be done, is it? Why not?

Mostly because of the expense and well you hit the point of absurdity, Not to mention severely disturbing logic. Just because no one has suspended a 20 ton oulder to perform an experiment doesn't mean the experiment is wrong. This is what's called a false argument goes like this: A drug manufacturer is trying to prove their drug doesn't cause suicides. So they inject the animals and observe them in their cages. After 2 weeks none of the animals have committed suicide so therefore their drug is safe. Obviously this is absurd and illogical.

Everyone here knows that a 'pull' on us, no matter what it is, will be felt as a pull on us. Being 'pulled' by something, anything, is always felt by us. Even the slightest pull on us, is felt. Not as strongly felt, but still felt, as a pull on us.

You got this completely backwards it's actually the lack of pull that our bodies notice. When your falling having been skydiving you feel it in the pit of your stomach. Your body is used to the pull of gravity when it's not there it feels different.

'Pulling' is the very foundation of 'gravity'. That's how we know it doesn't exist, because we never feel ourselves being 'pulled down' by it.

This is a third grade understanding of gravity when they get older you learn gravity doesn't pull it attracts 2 objects together. And when you learn physics you'll realize this attraction is geodesic trajectories meeting. You're not ready for this conversation yet.

In conclusion, my first suggestion is to read what gravity is and not oversimplify it. And stop assuming just because no one did the experiment your way and to your liking, this somehow disproves the experimet.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: dragonridr
Any object with weight will work it shows with mass we get gravity. instead of lead balls, this one uses bowling balls

Here she uses glass balls

So as you can see any object can be used

However, we can also measure the attraction of very small objects as well.

nerdist.com...

everything with mass has a gravitational field the larger the object the bigger the field. You can't deny this every student in physics has tried this experiment at some point.

They claim it's done with some micro-sized objects, so why not prove it with massive objects, everyone can see for themselves, and film it themselves, too?

Is a mountain big enough?

en.wikipedia.org...

Or you could always do what you're demanding others do and prove it doesn't happen. They do it with objects that have a large amount of mass, like lead. Stop trying to move the goalposts and pretend you haven't been given what you demanded.

Why not suspend in air, some 20 ton block of stone, and suspend a little pebble right beside it, in a warehouse or some controlled environment, and see if they 'attract' by 'gravity?

A 20 ton stone should easily 'pull in' a little pebble, right? Why not demonstrate it, with one massive object, and one tiny object? That's NEVER going to be done, is it? Why not?

Off you go. Get yourself a pebble, a 20 ton block of stone and a warehouse. Prove us all wrong. Or don't, whichever.

They know it would fail, that's why they'll never attempt it in public.

Do they though? Really? You knbwo this for a fact? How? Have you empirically demonstrated this for a fact or are you just making wild assertions because your original wild assertions about the lack of evidence have been shot down?

This would prove what they claim is true, or prove it is all BS. I know which it is, and so do they. And they'll never do it, because they aren't that stupid.

The experiments you've been hsown prove it's true. Yuo have not managed to prove they don't, merely attempted to shift the goalposts.

I have NEVER felt myself being 'pulled down' from below, while in air. Nor have I ever felt a pull from ANY object on Earth, either.

You have claimed a nubmer of times to have been in an airplane. You have therefore felt yourself pulled from below during take off.

Have YOU ever felt yourself being 'pulled down' from below, while in air? Not at all, right?

Do you find yourself floating aroundf in an aircraft while travelling? Why not?

We humans know what a 'pull' on us, really feels like. It is unmistakable. An external force, like the wind, pushes against us, or with us, and we know which one it is, because we feel it.

'We'?

A fall isn't a pulling down, it is a free movement with no external force acting on us, 'pulling us down', by some sort of 'force' from below.

I'm happy for you to demonstate that a fall isn't a pulling down, but in reality it is not free movement, it is movement in a specific direction under the direction of an external force: gravity.

How does it feel to stand on the 30th floor of a hirise? It's no different than standing on the ground, right? If there was 'gravity', within Earth, why doesn't it 'pull down' on us, being on the 30th floor of a hirise? If you dangled over a ledge on the 30th floor, you would not feel yourself being 'pulled down' from below, either.

If you step off the balcony, you;ll find out very quickly, and a avery predictable and precise rate, that there is gravity.

I'm sure you know, like all of us know, what a 'pull' on you feels like, right? But you don't feel a 'pull' on you from below, when above Earth, in air, or on the 30th floor of a hirise, dangling over a ledge.

Everything you claim about 'gravity', is based on it being a 'pulling' force, which 'pulls down' all objects above Earth, to it's surface, below. The one and only thing 'gravity' does, is 'pull' objects towards other objects, of greater mass, and greater 'gravity' within it.

And that's the problem here - there never IS any 'pull' at all. We all know what a pull feels like on us, whenever it does happen, and it has happened to everyone of us, many times over our lifetimes. Many, many different 'pulls' may have happened, but they are all felt, as a pull, acting on us.


Everyone here knows that a 'pull' on us, no matter what it is, will be felt as a pull on us. Being 'pulled' by something, anything, is always felt by us. Even the slightest pull on us, is felt. Not as strongly felt, but still felt, as a pull on us.


When we are above the Earth, in air, or in a hirise, there is NOTHING 'pulling down' on us, from below, or we'd all feel it.

Anyone knows the feeling of being 'pulled' by something. I certainly know the feeling of being 'pulled' by something. I've felt it countless times in my life, and I'm sure all of you have, as well.

'Pulling' is the very foundation of 'gravity'. That's how we know it doesn't exist, because we never feel ourselves being 'pulled down' by it. This 'pulling force', which nobody has ever felt at all, is up to you - Either it exists as a pulling force, nobody can feel as a pull on them, unlike every other pull that we have felt countless times before, would be the only 'pull' that cannot be felt, even though it is specifically claimed to be a pulling force.... or you know when you're being pulled by something, as it's been felt many times in your lifetime, so if there WERE a pull on you, from below, you would know it, right away. And when you do NOT feel anything of a pull on you, from anywhere at all, you know there is NOTHING PULLING ON YOU!


I know when I'm being pulled by something, and I always will know it. And I know if I'm NOT being pulled by something, too.

Do any of YOU know it, just like I do? For sure you do. Trust your own senses, not a pack of liars telling you to NOT trust your own senses, and trust what THEY tell you, instead!

Too much jibber jabber to be bothered with. Step off the roof of a building, you'll find out what the pulling force is.

a reply to: turbonium1

Then please explain how a less dense 20 pound styrofoam block can make a more dense steel spring lengthen in a spring scale in accordance with Hooke’s law.

Then what causes tides, high tides, and tidal bores if you think there is no gravity.

What force causes a brick thrown straight up into the air to slow down faster than what can be attributed to friction with air, what force causes the brink to stop, then what force causes a brick thrown straight up to accelerate back to earth. If there is no gravity, why does a brick thrown straight up in to the air decide to stop and change direction to accelerate towards the earth. Why wouldn’t a thrown brick if you think there is no gravity decide to keep accelerating straight upward since there in so gravity instead of stopping itself and change direction to accelerate in the opposite direction? In your delusion of no gravity, the brick would decide what direction it wants to go. So why not just keep accelerating straight up since there is no force to bring it back to earth. Should fly like a bird in your delusional mind.