UFOs And Stopped Clocks.

originally posted by: TheKestrel04

I had deduced they manipulate the fabric of space which affects physical time which in turn would affect the phenomenon of gravity.

Some interesting speculation there mate and there's a 1978 case below involving a Doctor of technical sciences which sounds relevant.

UFO Report from N. F. Kusov - Strokino, Kazan, Russia. May, 1978


As he sat in his study he noticed an uncommon light shining from outside, apparently from behind some trees. He decided to go investigate the source and saw at about 100 feet from the light, in a clearing, a cigar shaped object, 8 meters in length, sitting on the earth at one end and up the the air at the other end, at a 45-degree angle.

Kusov approached to within 15 feet of the object, which emanated a beautiful orange light with different tints. As he approached the object even further, he suddenly felt his insides "bursting" open, he realized he was being enveloped in a low frequency, 7 hertz, field.

Kusov took several steps back, and the discomfort passed. He approached again and the same thing happened. At this point he noticed to his consternation how the rays of the sun seemed to be absorbed by the surface of the object, seemingly entering what it appeared to him as a "black hole".

Shaken by what he had seen, Kusov walked back to the dacha but suddenly broke into a run towards the object, which still sat on the ground, again he could not approach the craft due to the high degree of discomfort.

Suddenly the object rose above the earth to about 2-3 meters, and then shot away vertically upward. Kusov felt no shockwave emanating from the object's liftoff. Shocked, he stood around for 5 minutes then frightened walked back to the dacha. There, he looked at his wristwatch and was astonished to see that almost 5 hours had passed and he thought he had only been outside for 30 minutes.

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originally posted by: NightVision
a reply to: karl 12

If these vehicles are using anti-grav to move through space, it makes sense that those in their field would be affected, since gravity, space, and time are all connected.

For ex. a craft could generate a gravity/time field around an object, essentially 'freezing' time around it. This could be why, from the observers POV, birds stop chirping and watches stop.

One cannot use antigravity in interstellar space, imo. Nothing to push off against. Inside solar system fine.

No?

just a thought on time and entrainment technology.

Ol' Sir Francis Bacon considered time to behave like water. So one would suggest that time has different speeds as does a river system in Nature. There would be rapids, eddies, whirlpools and the general flow.

Time when considered motion is inherited. We, as humans inherit the speed of planetary speed of rotation (night and day) and also the orbital speed around the sun. The earth inherits the solar system's motion, and so on.

So a human is stationary or moving. That is the human motion. Inherited motion is our "time" one might suggest.

So time is not a constant in this regard of motion.

Now think of the principal behind modern entrainment technology. A clock is an entrainment technology. We now have Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). The world is entrained to UTC.

Our consciousness is entrained by the clock.

If time is as Sir Francis Bacon says, then we may have, as neighbors, Beings who may not share our sense of time and the resulting consciousness. If they don't share our time consciousness, they may have another time consciousness. If so, then so too any technology of theirs.

From memory, there were a few UFO drawings that have a geometric shape within another geometry. Say a sphere within a triangle.

Now, and just a thought of mine. Let us take large two spheres in different locations. Say one in Sydney Australia and another in Paris France. Two different time zones. Sydney is night and Paris is day.

Swap the insides of the spheres.

In Sydney you would walk into the sphere and walk out of the other into Paris.

The outer geometry of the UFO is a temporary holder for the inner sphere.

A bit of a mind twister I know.

If the clock gets caught within the sphere of a different time/geometry, this might suggest a reason for a glitch either electrical or mechanical movements.

originally posted by: Encounter

originally posted by: NightVision
a reply to: karl 12

If these vehicles are using anti-grav to move through space, it makes sense that those in their field would be affected, since gravity, space, and time are all connected.

For ex. a craft could generate a gravity/time field around an object, essentially 'freezing' time around it. This could be why, from the observers POV, birds stop chirping and watches stop.

One cannot use antigravity in interstellar space, imo. Nothing to push off against. Inside solar system fine.

No?

Anti-grav tech wouldn't necessarily involve 'pushing' off anything so much as pulling the fabric of space toward you. Pushing off something is a method of propulsion. This method would likely involve creating an anti-matter reaction that's so focused it can bend the fabric of space-time, and create a field around the craft you are piloting. Does that make sense?

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: Encounter

originally posted by: NightVision
a reply to: karl 12

If these vehicles are using anti-grav to move through space, it makes sense that those in their field would be affected, since gravity, space, and time are all connected.

For ex. a craft could generate a gravity/time field around an object, essentially 'freezing' time around it. This could be why, from the observers POV, birds stop chirping and watches stop.

One cannot use antigravity in interstellar space, imo. Nothing to push off against. Inside solar system fine.

No?

Anti-grav tech wouldn't necessarily involve 'pushing' off anything so much as pulling the fabric of space toward you. Pushing off something is a method of propulsion. This method would likely involve creating an anti-matter reaction that's so focused it can bend the fabric of space-time, and create a field around the craft you are piloting. Does that make sense?

idk, I do not agree with this.

Propulsion firstly means pushing against something in essence and I do not understand 'anti-matter' thing but it certainly does not fall into 'anti-grav tech' category. It has to do something with hypothetical wormhole stuff, I think.

and then, I think hoovering in mid air will not involve wormhole of any kind. But tech that moves drones here on Earth and ships traveling between stars is the same, seems to me.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

How you measure time is irrelevant really. We got our measurements from ancient egypt where they decided to devide the day into 12 parts, They coud have chose 20 or even 6. It would change the measurement of time only what you measure it by.

Assuming a species was created on a planet their year is probably diferent than ours but we can still measure the same things. There is still alot we dont understand about time and its relationship with the universe. There are some that believe time is where gravity comes from

a reply to: dragonridr

Well with humans its simple. Time is a byproduct of the solar systems machination. You would not get the season without the sun or the earth spinning around it. In another solar system it may be different because things are placed different.

Time quite literally is a unit of measurement.

originally posted by: Encounter

originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: Encounter

originally posted by: NightVision
a reply to: karl 12

If these vehicles are using anti-grav to move through space, it makes sense that those in their field would be affected, since gravity, space, and time are all connected.

For ex. a craft could generate a gravity/time field around an object, essentially 'freezing' time around it. This could be why, from the observers POV, birds stop chirping and watches stop.

One cannot use antigravity in interstellar space, imo. Nothing to push off against. Inside solar system fine.

No?

Anti-grav tech wouldn't necessarily involve 'pushing' off anything so much as pulling the fabric of space toward you. Pushing off something is a method of propulsion. This method would likely involve creating an anti-matter reaction that's so focused it can bend the fabric of space-time, and create a field around the craft you are piloting. Does that make sense?

idk, I do not agree with this.

Propulsion firstly means pushing against something in essence and I do not understand 'anti-matter' thing but it certainly does not fall into 'anti-grav tech' category. It has to do something with hypothetical wormhole stuff, I think.

and then, I think hoovering in mid air will not involve wormhole of any kind. But tech that moves drones here on Earth and ships traveling between stars is the same, seems to me.

Let me unpack this for you. Objects with a lot of mass have a lot of gravity, right? That gravity is pulling things toward it.
You don't need any man-made propulsion system to draw you toward the object w higher mass. If you can find a way to create gravity (using an anti-matter reaction), you can theoretically create a gravity well in front of your craft and propel yourself toward that well.

We call it 'Anti-gravity' but it's really just creating gravity.