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Trump wants nuclear accord with Putin by election

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posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 04:47 PM
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Great move in my opinion. Is Trump politically motivated to do this? Maybe, but then everything has a political cost to it. Regardless, more controls over arms between the world's two foremost powers is a positive. May ease tensions as well with Russia:


President Trump is looking to Vladimir Putin to close the deal on a pre-election nuclear agreement, a timetable that's an October surprise even for senior Republicans and some in the White House.

The big picture: Trump and Putin have discussed arms control in a string of phone calls over the last six months, and they've dispatched envoys to negotiate in Vienna. But talks appeared stalled until just a few days ago.

The U.S. also wants Russia to agree to future negotiations toward an arms control treaty that brings China to the table. Russia has rejected anything that explicitly pressures China, so the U.S. is trying to find language both sides can live with, the source familiar says.

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I'm sure this is something all ATSers can agree with. This echoes the US-Russia Nuclear Arms Control Treaty of 1987 under Reagan that some said lead in part to the weakening and collapse of the Soviet Union. I think the easing of more tension can always be supported and should gain ol' Trump some good election points as well if he gets it through in time.

I'd like other nuclear powers to be involved again - India, Britain, France (EU) and Pakistan. Pakistan is of great concern as it is in my opinion to least developed and most unstable country to hold these weapons. I'm surprised more focus hasn't been put on them for their possession. It's a terrorist hotspot.

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posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 04:51 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

I think it a good move as well.

I am also with you in that Pakistan should be folded into the deal.

Not quite sure how far Trump can get with Biden supporter Putin though...

Unless Putin's own intelligence has told him that a Trump win is inevitable and he might as well deal with Trump now...

The timing is certainly odd and Putin's willingness to go forward with it rather telling.

S&F.


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posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: Lumenari


Not quite sure how far Trump can get with Biden supporter Putin...

Unless Putin's own intelligence has told him that a Trump win is inevitable and he might as well deal with Trump now...


In fairness to Biden, his campaign has apparently expressed interest in some sort of deal as well. It's stated in the source. I think though Trump seems to have a more friendly relationship with the Russian President and may be able to get through something more concrete?



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 04:54 PM
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Vladimir Putin endorsed Joe Biden last week.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: carewemust


Vladimir Putin endorsed Joe Biden last week.


What does this have to do with the OP?



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian
a reply to: carewemust


Vladimir Putin endorsed Joe Biden last week.


What does this have to do with the OP?



Really?

If Putin endorsed biden last week, why would he be doing trump a political favor to help his reelection chances a month before the election?

Seems like a valid point on the topic.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:10 PM
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Nuclear weapons are in a special class of offensive weapon that makes you a criminal for even thinking of using them.

No one should have nukes. We should be using nuclear research and development dollars for peaceful power generation and space exploration.

Pakistan and India certainty do need to be brought into the fold. The last thing we need is a nuclear conflagration over a tiny strip of land. India and China definitely need to be addressed as well. Every few years it gets really scary on those borders.

The symbolic and substantive overtures of peace made by the Trump administration have been a much needed breath of fresh air on the geopolitical stage. If only previous administration's going back decades had similar motivation for getting things done.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Not that any World leaders bother to ask me, but:

I think the NEW START which is scheduled to end this next Feb. should be renewed for the next 5 years. Putin seems open to that. I don't know if the U.S. Congress can get their stuff together to pass that.

At least the NEW START, as is, has a verification process.

Any further treaty can be worked out later, after the election.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:14 PM
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If Putin endorsed biden last week, why would he be doing trump a political favor to help his reelection chances a month before the election?


And Biden disavowed that support, just like the Trump Campaign disavowed the Taliban's endorsement. That right there should be a signal that a deal with the Trump admin would be a safer option right now. The article goes on to say the Trump Administration is gunning for a deal either now, or there may not be this chance again.

Again, uncertain of what Putin would gain... maybe the Russian people would appreciate the easing of tension on the international scale.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:16 PM
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Pakistan and India certainty do need to be brought into the fold.


How on Earth Pakistan continues to slip through the cracks in all this is beyond me. That country is partly controlled by Islamic extremists.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Trump just needs more private talks with his master, Putin. A nuclear accord is just an excuse, if we see one signed it's obviously, just Putin, attempting to get Trump back into the election. Fake treaty to buy votes for the donald, how sad for the US of A


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posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:21 PM
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The world with less nukes is something everyone should be able to get behind regardless of politics. Nukes are terrible in nearly any scenario.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

I honestly don't know.

I've been close to many operations near the Waziristan region of Pakistan and cannot imagine why more isn't done to reduce the amount of nukes in the Middle East. Talk about a frightening powederkeg waiting to blow.

Except for one thing. Israel's nukes. If Israel disarms they will lose a major deterrent and peace may break down. If Pakistan disarms the conflict in the Kashmir region with India will go south for them and India will claim the territory.

If India disarms they'll have nothing to stand in the way of a maurading Chinese communist army. Considering their recent border skirmishes, this reality would almost certainly play out.

The situation is very complicated in that region. No one nuclear actor can do anything without the full cooperation of all actors involved.

There's a lot to be considered.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:23 PM
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Agreements that mutually ease tension between Russia and America as well as improving relations in general is a good move in my opinion.

Time to end the 80 year rivalry.

Nuclear disarmament is also a noble goal, though i think you are a bit optimistic about India & Pakistan.
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posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 05:40 PM
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Under virtually any previous president this would be a hugely positive thing (if negotiations were actually fruitful) but much of this is sounding like yet another pre-election stunt from the stunt president and an increasing amount of voters seem to be developing an immunity to his antics now.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 06:04 PM
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I'd be afraid of the opposition from rivals !!

Very Afraid !! 🥶



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

Yes yes we get it, Trump bad man, Putin own bad man.

If your being sarcastic I missed it



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: Pilgrum

Anything you said before “but” was just you extending a limp wrist hand shake before saying what you really wanted to say. Explain why it’s only bad when trump does it?



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
The world with less nukes is something everyone should be able to get behind regardless of politics. Nukes are terrible in nearly any scenario.


Something I think ATS can united behind on. Unrealistic though at this point of our civilization though. Don't mean to be a debbie downer. Just the establishment on the global stage.

Too many international interests in conflict.



posted on Oct, 11 2020 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: Southern Guardian

originally posted by: Metallicus
The world with less nukes is something everyone should be able to get behind regardless of politics. Nukes are terrible in nearly any scenario.


Something I think ATS can united behind on. Unrealistic though at this point of our civilization though. Don't mean to be a debbie downer. Just the establishment on the global stage.

Too many international interests in conflict.

As long as there are bad people with nukes , there has to be a deterrent.
But , otherwise , that is a correct statement.




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