Don't let COVID dominate your life

a reply to: DBCowboy

Just a cold virus? It is not just a cold virus, so why are you saying that? And also, I do not think we should lock down, but we do need people to stop thinking about themselves and take precautions. Unless you do not give a crap about spreading it?

I have a friend, who lost his mum to the virus, and his 32 year old brother was in a coma for three weeks. He had to be moved to a hospital in Cambridge(uk) where they had a special machine to support his lungs.

Now, if this happend to your family, would you still be saying what you are saying now? If course you would not, and this is the problem mist, if not all the people saying this, have not been affected by the virus.

Why are you obsessed with freedom? Here in the UK, we have just as much freedom as you guys, but we do not obsess about to the point it takes over our lives.

a reply to: Jay-morris

So you are talking like a normal, functional adult though. Most of us are.

Normal, functional adults do as we need to and as is responsible. If we're all doing as we need to and as is responsible, at what point is it the government's role to come in a order me to do things for my own good to save me from myself?

You're arguing as if no reasonable precautions I take on my own would ever be enough unless the government applied force to them, and that's where you and I disagree. Guess what? I can figure out how to wash my hands and stay away from large crowds without the government making laws about it and sending in the cops with ultraviolet scanners to make sure I used soap and water and sang for 20 seconds just like I can avoid large gatherings without the government flat telling me I can't have them.

Other people assess their risks differently.

originally posted by: JusticeIsComing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Jay-morris

Noiw we have established that anytime the government percieves a threat, they can and will shut down economies, livelihoods, arbitrarily removing freedoms at their whim.

And we'll have people like yourself cheering on the governments doing it.

Let's just say the virus's mortality rate is lowball estimate 1%. If 328,000,000 Americans all get the virus and 3,280,000 Americans die from it... by your logic we shouldn't do anything to minimize that number?

You're just making up numbers now.

Truth is, we don't know the fatality rate because we haven't tested EVERYONE yet, so the numbers are arbitrary.

The number of people who have had the virus and have not been tested could already be 100 million. Even 200 million.

Going back and forth on arbitrary data is pointless unless you deliberately want to scare people into obeying government dictates.

originally posted by: Jay-morris


Why are you obsessed with freedom?

Because we're losing it.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I could have sworn I read last night that the WHO (I know, big grain of salt) was saying somewhere close to a BILLION of the planet's population has been infected thus far.

We're effectively "deep" in Herd Immunity territory in that case. This # isn't justifiable now that that percentage benchmark hurdle is nearing cleared/is cleared.

I'll try to dig that up, but hell if I remember where I read it. Market Watch maybe? I'll have to look around a few sites.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Jay-morris

You're arguing as if no reasonable precautions I take on my own would ever be enough unless the government applied force to them, and that's where you and I disagree. Guess what? I can figure out how to wash my hands and stay away from large crowds without the government making laws about it and sending in the cops with ultraviolet scanners to make sure I used soap and water and sang for 20 seconds just like I can avoid large gatherings without the government flat telling me I can't have them.

Other people assess their risks differently.

The problem is if you don't step in a lot of people aren't smart enough to do the right thing. See below --->

LINK: twitter.com...

And before you respond "well what about all of the protests! doesn't that spread it too hahaha!!!" Yeah no, I think the people out protesting are idiots too. The virus doesn't care why you're not social distancing - it just really really likes it when you don't social distance.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: JusticeIsComing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Jay-morris

Noiw we have established that anytime the government percieves a threat, they can and will shut down economies, livelihoods, arbitrarily removing freedoms at their whim.

And we'll have people like yourself cheering on the governments doing it.

Let's just say the virus's mortality rate is lowball estimate 1%. If 328,000,000 Americans all get the virus and 3,280,000 Americans die from it... by your logic we shouldn't do anything to minimize that number?

You're just making up numbers now.

Truth is, we don't know the fatality rate because we haven't tested EVERYONE yet, so the numbers are arbitrary.

The number of people who have had the virus and have not been tested could already be 100 million. Even 200 million.

Going back and forth on arbitrary data is pointless unless you deliberately want to scare people into obeying government dictates.

It could be. But it kinda sounds like you're making up numbers now too....

a reply to: Nyiah

New WHO estimate puts coronavirus death rate at only 0.13%

www.wnd.com...


I saw it also.

I don't know if I believe the WHO, but since the pro-government people all do, maybe this will calm them down.

originally posted by: JusticeIsComing

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: JusticeIsComing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Jay-morris

Noiw we have established that anytime the government percieves a threat, they can and will shut down economies, livelihoods, arbitrarily removing freedoms at their whim.

And we'll have people like yourself cheering on the governments doing it.

Let's just say the virus's mortality rate is lowball estimate 1%. If 328,000,000 Americans all get the virus and 3,280,000 Americans die from it... by your logic we shouldn't do anything to minimize that number?

You're just making up numbers now.

Truth is, we don't know the fatality rate because we haven't tested EVERYONE yet, so the numbers are arbitrary.

The number of people who have had the virus and have not been tested could already be 100 million. Even 200 million.

Going back and forth on arbitrary data is pointless unless you deliberately want to scare people into obeying government dictates.

It could be. But it kinda sounds like you're making up numbers now too....

Who knows, right?

So you agree your point was pointless.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Nyiah

New WHO estimate puts coronavirus death rate at only 0.13%

www.wnd.com...


I saw it also.

I don't know if I believe the WHO, but since the pro-government people all do, maybe this will calm them down.

Oh snap, you're quicker than I am!

The bootlickers seem to think the WHO is God & the words from it are holy, so if they're willing to argue with the WHO-God, well, that says they cannot commit support to squat to me. And definitely aren't worth listening to.

a reply to: JusticeIsComing

Then self-isolate at home, remove yourself from the proverbial battlefield. You have no excuse not to, if I can be told to work from home (housewife here, it's the default work setting anyway) to have groceries delivered (how about NO) and not go anywhere (again, NO)

If you can dictate how to conduct myself to me, I can do the same damn thing in return. If you cannot handle that, tough. Not. My. Problem.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Jay-morris

So you are talking like a normal, functional adult though. Most of us are.

Normal, functional adults do as we need to and as is responsible. If we're all doing as we need to and as is responsible, at what point is it the government's role to come in a order me to do things for my own good to save me from myself?

You're arguing as if no reasonable precautions I take on my own would ever be enough unless the government applied force to them, and that's where you and I disagree. Guess what? I can figure out how to wash my hands and stay away from large crowds without the government making laws about it and sending in the cops with ultraviolet scanners to make sure I used soap and water and sang for 20 seconds just like I can avoid large gatherings without the government flat telling me I can't have them.

Other people assess their risks differently.

And this is obviously where you show thst you do not understand a lot of people are not wearing masks. A lot of people are still socialising in large crowds sith no masks. So, obviously they do not care. You are turning this into its all about you, when it is not.

If people are not listening, then we should ignore thst people of freedom? That is ridiculous. Even in the UK, where we have been sift, people are not listening. They do not care. So, hence the reason that laws have to be brought in to try and flow the virus down. Simple as that really. It's not about freedom. It's about people not giving a crap about other people and being selfish.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Jay-morris


Why are you obsessed with freedom?

Because we're losing it.

No, you are obsessed with losing it. There is a difference.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Here's a lot of charts.

What they've done is charted the disease curve in a lot of different countries and states, and marked out for you where different restrictions, including mask mandates, were put in place against the course of the disease in that population. What those charts show is no real correlation between wearing masks and anything one way or the other. In some places like New York, the chart shows a decline, but the mandate was clearly put in place as cases were already starting to decline on their own. In some places, the mandate was put in place as a spike was beginning, and it carried one as if it had zero effs to give about the mandate. And in other places, the mask mandate was put in place before a spike began, and the mandate did nothing to prevent one from happening, and it happened just as steeply as in other places.

So take a look at the charts, and there are more linked than the ones in the source I put up and tell me what you think.

The other thing is that just as with any other law/ordinance/etc. people are going to do what they're going to do. Murders, rapes, and the like still occur even with the laws in place. How many people still go out on to the highway and speed on a daily basis?

If COVID were literally leaving piles of bodies like Spanish Flu actually did, you'd see higher compliance with these measures and hear less complaining about it, but since it's not and doesn't look like it will, most people see this as an unasked for government overreach and that lowers compliance even more. People don't like being told what to do when they can figure it out for themselves. Unlike you apparently, I spent 18 years learning how to become a functional adult.

You seem to think that those of us who are angry about these restrictions are doing nothing on our own, and that's faulty thinking. In truth you have no way of knowing. It makes you feel better to assume we're all just a bunch of angry morons, but my attitude about this is the same with anything where people like yourself assume I must be told by government how best to do something I can damn well do well enough on my own.

TT = a good reason to flag the topic below/

RIP Eddie.

a reply to: ketsuko

Here's a lot of charts.

A far right website. Not buyest at all right? And this is the problem here. You will find websites like this saying masks do not work. And then you eill find sites and experts say masks do help, and how they do.

So, the problem here is people want to be in their groups and in America, it is of course the left and right. Good example, you chose a website thst is far right and pro Trump.

You can see research bring done outside the Left, and the cult of the right inline to get a better understanding without your blinkers on.

Mask have been scientically proven to work, are they 100% proof? Of course not, considering the virus can get into the body through the eyes.

The other thing is that just as with any other law/ordinance/etc. people are going to do what they're going to do. Murders, rapes, and the like still occur even with the laws in place. How many people still go out on to the highway and speed on a daily basis?

Do you contribute all all this rape and murder? No, you do not, so how is it the same? Wearing a mask can protect people. Protect the elderly and people with health problems. But you can deny that all you want.

You seem to think that those of us who are angry about these restrictions are doing nothing on our own, and that's faulty thinking. In truth you have no way of knowing. It makes you feel better to assume we're all just a bunch of angry morons, but my attitude about this is the same with anything where people like yourself assume I must be told by government how best to do something I can damn well do well enough on my own.

Again! This is not just about you! You are not the centre of all this. People are still going out not wearing masks. People are still going out socialising without any masks in large groups. This is not just about you.

originally posted by: Jay-morris


Again! This is not just about you!

Actually. . .it is. It's about individual rights, individual liberties also.

a reply to: DBCowboy

What Jay is trying to say is (paraphrasing the OP), don't let your desire for freedom and individual rights dominate your life!

I think

a reply to: Jay-morris

What's "buyest"?

I had no idea Rational Ground was "far right".

The page in the link is *just* charts with no commentary. As the source I used first said, there are some where the cases fall off after the mandate, some where the spike begins after the mandate. You can't make any real connections to mask mandates and any particular effect on the course of the disease.

And I beg to differ! It very much is about me.

Because you think you have to force everyone to act like you want them to, I have to be forced to act like you want me to whether I am or not already. That means I have lost my freedom to choose. It doesn't matter one iota if I already was acting mostly like you think I should. All that matters is that my freedom to make that choice as I need to make it, day in and day out, was removed from me because you don't feel like others can handle their freedom in ways you like.

Fine.

Safeguard yourself from those other people, and let them suffer any consequences of their actions. But leave me alone.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: DBCowboy

What Jay is trying to say is (paraphrasing the OP), don't let your desire for freedom and individual rights dominate your life!

I think