Senegal's COVID success: Test results in 24 hours, temperature checks and no fights over masks

A small African Muslim country is beating COVID why not the US


A good friend of mine has adopted this poor land as his adopted country.
As you won't see any of those lunatic jihadi so-called Muslims in Senegal, you also won't see the Trump-induced fight over masks and treatments.

COVID-19 test results come back within 24 hours – or even faster. Hotels have been transformed into quarantine units. Scientists are racing to develop a cutting-edge, low-cost ventilator.
This isn't the pandemic response in South Korea, New Zealand or another country held up as a model of coronavirus containment success.
It's Senegal, a West African country with a fragile health care system, a scarcity of hospital beds and about seven doctors for every 100,000 people. And yet Senegal, with a population of 16 million, has tackled COVID-19 aggressively and, so far, effectively. More than six months into the pandemic, the country has about 14,000 cases and 284 deaths.

My friend, who is from one of our modern cities near New York, would move there if he could. He says though the people are very poor, they are the most beautiful folks he has ever known.

Ths past French colony, we all should look to as an example that if you have the right mentality, you can control this disease by using science and cooperation amongst the population, not by dividing the people. link

It comes as No surprise even the poorest country's can do better .
This is NOT new the US has been on a down slid from around 1970 on .
It started slow and has now becomes a monster of unimageable size .

We spend ALL our time finding reason to fight among our self the very last of our working toghter was on 911 for a few short months' the US became on nation again in response to the horror we faced .

We are desensitized to horror now we seek it we revel In Upping the anti to up horror the horror each side creates .

Just read the threads here and the reply's to The problem Of the riots or the response to Trump being Sick .
AMERICA is self destructing only time will tell if we get through the problems WE CREATED for our self .

One thing for sure BLAM any ONE BUT your self is the moto of the decade .

a reply to: Willtell

Absolutely no surprise. They have many factors in their favor.

1) Population

2) Age - 60% of the population under age 25.

3) Widespread use of hydroxychloroquine and anti-HIV antivirals.

4) Senegal developed a $1 test kit (That won't happen here because Big Pharma owns our Politicians)

5) Senegal immediately treats with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin

6) They did NOT have Governor Andrew Cuomo sending Covid positive people to nursing homes to spread the disease like wildfire.


www.ipsnews.net...

The continent shoulders the highest disease burden, with HIV, malaria and diarrhea amongst its top five killers. There were 25.7 million people living with HIV/AIDS and a little over 90% of those affected on antiretroviral drugs in 2018. Malaria is widespread just like the use Bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG) vaccinations which are believed to offer broad protection against respiratory infections.

In Senegal and Madagascar for example, COVID-19 patients on hydroxychloroquine and the herbal remedy Artemisia annua have been observed to recover faster from the disease with lower deaths. In both countries, even with rising cases, recovery rates from Covid19 are much higher – consistent with the observations in most malaria prone countries. Interestingly, malaria is not prevalent in Africa’s Covid-19 hotspots of South Africa and North Africa.

Humm well good points so tell us again what is stopping the US from doing all that Population ?
OR corruption ?
Because 1 dollar test is great But The US is NO poor country .
FUNNY Trump gets well so fast and YEt they DID NOT use hydroxychloroquine BUT Trump DID take it before he GOT sick and before they gave him the DRUGS traht are accutly producing results he got really sick fast then better just as fast .

OOO The US has GOOD drugs that help tons Trump is proof of that problem is the drugs are NOT in general population .

a reply to: Willtell

A small African Muslim country is beating COVID why not the US

You have been under a rock for a while ?
Care to look at current charts ?
You did not source your material.

Denying ignorance.
Why ?
Folks take everything at face value and jump onboard the I agree train.

Done
Next

a reply to: Willtell

Remember that New Zealand also isn't relying on some sort of magic fantasy tech to bail it out. Senegal has a population three times as large as NZ's and is doing very similar in managing through their epidemic, considering their resources.

Sometimes the most practical answers are really quite simple: Mandatory use of masks in public spaces, bans on large gatherings, hand washing, social distancing and where warranted, quarantine. And start early, don't wait for a disaster to snowball...

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Willtell

3) Widespread use of hydroxychloroquine

And notice how the subject is carefully avoided by USA Today (from the link in the OP).

Even though it's probably the key factor. After all:

“Hydroxychloroquine saves a lot of lives” says Dr who has now treated over 3600 COVID-19 patients

It also mitigates the spread of the virus and reduces the duration people are sick and/or (highly) contagious (which in turn also mitigates the spread). This doctor mentions something regarding this in relation to "early outpatient treatment" ("the second goal" he mentions):

Hydroxychloroquine treatment for Covid 19 Case Studies for Doctors pt1 Doc Talk with Dr Ban Ep.26

It also reduces viral shedding, because that's another viral pathway HCQ inhibits (reduces in functionality), as explained in that video under the link when he mentions "virus transport" (he uses the term "subsystem" instead of "pathway", he also refers to them as "steps", as in the different steps the virus takes and related processes it goes through as it follows its path through your body from viral entry into the cell to viral replication to viral assembly to viral transport and shedding). I.e. it makes an infected person less contagious (next to reducing the duration, which I already mentioned).

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Willtell

Remember that New Zealand also isn't relying on some sort of magic fantasy tech to bail it out. Senegal has a population three times as large as NZ's and is doing very similar in managing through their epidemic, considering their resources.

Sometimes the most practical answers are really quite simple: Mandatory use of masks in public spaces, bans on large gatherings, hand washing, social distancing and where warranted, quarantine. And start early, don't wait for a disaster to snowball...

Shut up...lol New Zealand is a freaken island that can lock down anyone coming in or out. What is the population use of Masks there I can't even find it on the list...lol

This is what the worst restrictions your Goverment has put out for level 2.

You can still go to work and school, but you should practice the basic hygiene measures as for Alert Levels 3 and 4.

You may choose to wear a mask or face covering in situations where physical distancing outside your bubble is not possible except:

God you can be so full of it....


Senegal also has a population that is spread out, also they might as well be an island too, not a hell of a lot to travel there.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Willtell

Absolutely no surprise. They have many factors in their favor.

1) Population

2) Age - 60% of the population under age 25.

3) Widespread use of hydroxychloroquine and anti-HIV antivirals.

4) Senegal developed a $1 test kit (That won't happen here because Big Pharma owns our Politicians)

5) Senegal immediately treats with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin

6) They did NOT have Governor Andrew Cuomo sending Covid positive people to nursing homes to spread the disease like wildfire.

7) They are not fat...hard to get fat when you eat one time a day....

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Willtell

Remember that New Zealand also isn't relying on some sort of magic fantasy tech to bail it out. Senegal has a population three times as large as NZ's and is doing very similar in managing through their epidemic, considering their resources.

Sometimes the most practical answers are really quite simple: Mandatory use of masks in public spaces, bans on large gatherings, hand washing, social distancing and where warranted, quarantine. And start early, don't wait for a disaster to snowball...

Shut up...lol New Zealand is a freaken island

New Zealand is a number of islands (602 islands). Here's a picture - to scale - of the main islands of New Zealand overlaid on top of the United States (the normal Mercator projection that most people are familiar with makes the countries closer to the poles look smaller than they are). It's not that tiny:

that can lock down anyone coming in or out.

... and the USA can't?

Has it occurred to you that this shows up a government that can't actually govern?

I mean, the prevention of a major threat to national security should be a high priority for a government, shouldn't it?

What is the population use of Masks there I can't even find it on the list...lol

This is what the worst restrictions your Goverment has put out for level 2.

Of course things are more lax now. We've once again got it managed.

COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can still go to work and school, but you should practice the basic hygiene measures as for Alert Levels 3 and 4.

You may choose to wear a mask or face covering in situations where physical distancing outside your bubble is not possible except:

God you can be so full of it....

I'm no deity.

Senegal also has a population that is spread out, also they might as well be an island too, not a hell of a lot to travel there.

There are lots of countries in the world and ALL of them have lower numbers of infected and dead than the USA. Some of them more populous and higher density than the USA.

But the countries at the lower end of the spectrum are, none of them, as wealthy and powerful as the ones at the upper end.

To reiterate the sentiment from the OP, why isn't America doing a whole lot better?

a reply to: chr0naut

This doctor makes an interesting observation followed by an important question about how health care systems work in wealthy nations with high prices for health care compared to poorer countries such as the ones in Africa (in relation to Covid-19 and the choice of treatment of course). At 7:41 (till the end), context starts at 6:39 (when the reporter asks his question "about the toxicity of the treatment hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin"):

Just noticed that the point at the end, which I called a question, might not mean much to a person if they haven't seen the rest of the video concerning the subject "Remdesivir", which he considers as falling under the category "new treatments that we're not sure if they work but we know have major complications and side effects", as he elaborated on that concerning Remdesivir and toxicity earlier in the video. So that context is probably important as well.

originally posted by: chr0naut


To reiterate the sentiment from the OP, why isn't America doing a whole lot better?

The reason is that COVID-19 is not that big of a deal unless you have preexisting conditions. You also get a much higher infection rate in dense populated cities. I don't see the OPs point or yours. Everyone is so focused on the US so you have a Canadian and New Zealander rubbing tips on how bad the US is lol...just give me a break...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: chr0naut


To reiterate the sentiment from the OP, why isn't America doing a whole lot better?

The reason is that COVID-19 is not that big of a deal unless you have preexisting conditions.

Being alive appears to be a preexisting condition for it.



False claim: All patients who die of COVID-19 have serious health problems - Reuters

You also get a much higher infection rate in dense populated cities.

You might think that. But here is an interactive graph of data. Play with it, and see if you can make your assertion work:

COVID-19 death rates vs. Population Density

I don't see the OPs point or yours. Everyone is so focused on the US so you have a Canadian and New Zealander rubbing tips on how bad the US is lol...just give me a break...

Why should I?

The USA has the worst aggregate numbers in the world. It is the prime example of 'someone must be doing something wrong'.

Can't we speculate as to why that is?

The point is is about the incompetence of Trump and his policies. Germany, a high tech country is succseful relatively as is the low tech Senagal.

Its the competance of the government that matters.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Willtell

6) They did NOT have Governor Andrew Cuomo sending Covid positive people to nursing homes to spread the disease like wildfire.

They also don't have that ASS hat in the Whitehouse not caring about American lives.

Dorian Soran

originally posted by: chr0naut
Being alive appears to be a preexisting condition for it.

To be reasonable... Where are you when 60k die in the US to the normal flu per year? This is very minor to those under 50...

The USA has the worst aggregate numbers in the world. It is the prime example of 'someone must be doing something wrong'.

Can't we speculate as to why that is?

So why is that? How accurate are our numbers, how accurate are other countries' numbers? Lots of post here about inflation of not only positive but death numbers in the US because they all mean fed funds in the end. Not sure other countries are the same.

The US is in the top 10% of countries with the highest percentages to wear masks, We have shut down hard, more than other countries too. So what say you as to why we have the numbers we have?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: chr0naut
Being alive appears to be a preexisting condition for it.

To be reasonable... Where are you when 60k die in the US to the normal flu per year? This is very minor to those under 50...

The same procedures that stop the coronavirus spreading, also stop the 'flu virus spreading.

No hosts carrying a virus = no deaths from virii. It's that simple.

The USA has the worst aggregate numbers in the world. It is the prime example of 'someone must be doing something wrong'.

Can't we speculate as to why that is?

So why is that? How accurate are our numbers, how accurate are other countries' numbers?

Most countries statistics are fairly accurate but even with wide margins for error, say +/- 10%, they'd say much the same things.

Lots of post here about inflation of not only positive but death numbers in the US because they all mean fed funds in the end. Not sure other countries are the same.

The US is in the top 10% of countries with the highest percentages to wear masks, We have shut down hard, more than other countries too. So what say you as to why we have the numbers we have?

The US acted way too late (weeks to months) on nearly everything, had holes in the actions it did take (like a travel ban that still allowed people to come from affected regions depending on the passport they held), the shutdowns were way too brief (the 'opening up' was not based on vastly improving numbers but on lobby pressure), and in a patchy and non-integrated fashion (so one state, or city, could cross-infect another).

Also, far too much reliance was put on medical interventions (often with vanishingly small effects and severe side effects - like intubations and dangerous panaceas), or on non-existent vaccines, or just simply rhetoric and blame which do absolutely nothing.

Not to mention the stuff-ups that also occurred when they tried to do the right things (like rejecting the German test kits in favor of US-manufactured ones that didn't quite exist, or the whole 'home-brew PPE' for medical staff because there weren't enough of the actual things to hand when required, or of sending the infected to rest homes by accident).

... that sort of thing probably had some effect on the now obvious outcomes and there are whole chains of people who are culpable in this but won't admit it.

originally posted by: chr0naut

No hosts carrying a virus = no deaths from virii. It's that simple.

I do agree to a point, but what are you suggesting? Masks now forever, social distancing forever, another 10 trillion?

Most countries statistics are fairly accurate but even with wide margins for error, say +/- 10%, they'd say much the same things.

I don't think America's numbers are accurate...I think they been inflated in the death count. We are now testing more than any country in the world too...I think the positives is way under counted and the deaths are over counted...Some of this is political, some is just about fed money. 30% of the deaths are due to very poor decisions by Governors to where high risk people were infected by their poor decisions. A lot of the deaths as in most are because people are just not healthy...Now I say that about the country with the third largest population in the world that have an over abundance of very unhealthy foods to eat. It is sad that poor people in other nations who have very little choice on what they eat and the amount that is available to them can actually be more healthier. America also can keep very sick and old people alive longer than a country like Senegal where they are about 149th out of 190 countries for age. What this tells us is the old and sick there typical die, so you have mostly only those who are healthy in the end...be healthy or die, and this virus is not kind to the unhealthy, and not very serious to the healthy. Not a big deal to them, but sure effects a place like the US.

The US acted way too late (weeks to months) on nearly everything, had holes in the actions it did take (like a travel ban that still allowed people to come from affected regions depending on the passport they held), the shutdowns were way too brief (the 'opening up' was not based on vastly improving numbers but on lobby pressure), and in a patchy and non-integrated fashion (so one state, or city, could cross-infect another).

We started to act with only 15 deaths from one nursing facility...Not sure if too early, but that power to act is state level too and no Governor wanted to be first...So yes we were slower than we should have been but that is hindsight. We are 50 New Zealands where each state makes their own decisions and the President can't do squat about it as per the constitution. I'm sure that played into much of this...

Not to mention the stuff-ups that also occurred when they tried to do the right things (like rejecting the German test kits in favor of US-manufactured ones that didn't quite exist, or the whole 'home-brew PPE' for medical staff because there weren't enough of the actual things to hand when required, or of sending the infected to rest homes by accident).

When there isn't enough period, what do you do? This was a black swan event...We have cities with more population than your whole country...Distancing means a lot. Asians in general been wear masks for 50 years, it is a part of their culture due to the high density of their big cities...I lived in Japan for 5 years...I know.

It is what it is...many reasons, but once again it was a black swan event...We were not prepared...

This is actually a good thing, a big wakeup call in the event that the 70% killer comes along.

Side note: We know that distance is king with a virus.... Not a lot of travel to Senegal so they might as well be an island too. There most populated dense area is Dakar with about 3 million people spread across 14,000 sq miles.... NYC has 8.4 million spread across 340 sq miles... Once outside of Dakar the other 12 million are spread rather thin to say the least...lol

Their virus spread and herd immunity will be a long slow burn over a very long period of time.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: chr0naut

No hosts carrying a virus = no deaths from virii. It's that simple.

I do agree to a point, but what are you suggesting? Masks now forever, social distancing forever, another 10 trillion?

No, I am suggesting that we, in the first world, stop assuming that diseases are inevitable and that we do something to limit their spread.

It takes some time and effort, but only for short periods, and only for some people if it is done right.

Most countries statistics are fairly accurate but even with wide margins for error, say +/- 10%, they'd say much the same things.

I don't think America's numbers are accurate...I think they been inflated in the death count. We are now testing more than any country in the world too...

The rate of testing has little to do with the mortality unless you use it to do something about the infected.

It is no good testing and finding that someone is infected if you don't have unavoidable procedures in place to ensure that they cannot spread the contagion they carry.

Take, for instance, Typhoid Trumpy who has tested positive, has shown symptoms, is therefore clearly infectious, and yet is going back to work in a job where he has to meet people, sign documents, etc.

As an example to his constituents, a bit lackluster wouldn't you say?

In fact, I'd guess he is fairly typical of the responses of many Americans who have tested positive but carry on as normal.

While the US has tested more people in total than any other country (it is a highly populous one, after all), according to Worldometer, on a per-capita testing basis it comes 13th after Iceland, Denmark, Italy, New Zealand, Switzerland, Austria, Australia, Canada, Belgium, Germany, Russia, and Spain. So Trump's claim that the US was "per-capita" testing more than other countries, was simply false.

I think the positives is way under counted and the deaths are over counted...Some of this is political, some is just about fed money. 30% of the deaths are due to very poor decisions by Governors to where high risk people were infected by their poor decisions. A lot of the deaths as in most are because people are just not healthy...Now I say that about the country with the third largest population in the world that have an over abundance of very unhealthy foods to eat. It is sad that poor people in other nations who have very little choice on what they eat and the amount that is available to them can actually be more healthier. America also can keep very sick and old people alive longer than a country like Senegal where they are about 149th out of 190 countries for age. What this tells us is the old and sick there typical die, so you have mostly only those who are healthy in the end...be healthy or die, and this virus is not kind to the unhealthy, and not very serious to the healthy. Not a big deal to them, but sure effects a place like the US.

Yes, some of that is true and is exactly why the US is doing so badly. But it has the wherewithal to be the standard-bearer, so why is it the worst case on so many grounds?

The US acted way too late (weeks to months) on nearly everything, had holes in the actions it did take (like a travel ban that still allowed people to come from affected regions depending on the passport they held), the shutdowns were way too brief (the 'opening up' was not based on vastly improving numbers but on lobby pressure), and in a patchy and non-integrated fashion (so one state, or city, could cross-infect another).

We started to act with only 15 deaths from one nursing facility...Not sure if too early, but that power to act is state level too and no Governor wanted to be first...So yes we were slower than we should have been but that is hindsight. We are 50 New Zealands where each state makes their own decisions and the President can't do squat about it as per the constitution. I'm sure that played into much of this...

New Zealand started to act within hours of the first confirmed infection. We took the details and recommendations of the World Health Organization for what they were and didn't pretend that their initial caution was malfeasance and then ignore their advice.

Not to mention the stuff-ups that also occurred when they tried to do the right things (like rejecting the German test kits in favor of US-manufactured ones that didn't quite exist, or the whole 'home-brew PPE' for medical staff because there weren't enough of the actual things to hand when required, or of sending the infected to rest homes by accident).

When there isn't enough period, what do you do? This was a black swan event...We have cities with more population than your whole country...Distancing means a lot. Asians in general been wear masks for 50 years, it is a part of their culture due to the high density of their big cities...I lived in Japan for 5 years...I know.

It is what it is...many reasons, but once again it was a black swan event...We were not prepared...

The US was prepared. They'd had them and dealt with them, regularly, many times before. Another epidemic was something that was inevitable. Almost everyone knew it.

Obama Prepared for a Potential Pandemic. Trump Gutted His Work. - Courier

This is actually a good thing, a big wakeup call in the event that the 70% killer comes along.

Side note: We know that distance is king with a virus.... Not a lot of travel to Senegal so they might as well be an island too. There most populated dense area is Dakar with about 3 million people spread across 14,000 sq miles.... NYC has 8.4 million spread across 340 sq miles... Once outside of Dakar the other 12 million are spread rather thin to say the least...lol

Their virus spread and herd immunity will be a long slow burn over a very long period of time.

Far denser populations have had the virus and brought it under control. That's a weak excuse.

And the number of now recorded reinfections with COVID-19 means herd immunity, or an effective immunization, is also not going to happen in anything like the short term. This thing mutates fast so they'll have to keep developing immunizations and rolling out new ones all the time and that isn't as simple as with the 'flu.