15th Texan City Becomes ‘Sanctuary’ For The Unborn, Outlaws Abortion Within City Limits

a reply to: Annee

I don't think thats infringing on a mans rights.

What does infringe on a mans rights:

- the preferential treatment moms are given in the courtroom during custody hearings
- men being legally required to pay child support for children proven to not be theirs
- men being given no voice in abortion, despite being required to pay child support. If its inconvenient for women, it can be inconvenient for men too. We should have a legal right to "abortion" as well, as we have a stake in it.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Annee

I don't think thats infringing on a mans rights.

What does infringe on a mans rights:

- the preferential treatment moms are given in the courtroom during custody hearings
- men being legally required to pay child support for children proven to not be theirs
- men being given no voice in abortion, despite being required to pay child support. If its inconvenient for women, it can be inconvenient for men too. We should have a legal right to "abortion" as well, as we have a stake in it.

It is.

You can’t legally force a man to take a DNA Paternity test.

Don’t give me that inconvenience crap.

As I’ve stated before — for eons woman has taken the full brunt of pregnancy, including gender of the child. Or not being able to get pregnant. And it’s still that way in many parts of the world.

Men want equality? Then they better start stepping up.

Let me know when the male led movement starts.

a reply to: Annee

I won't make excuses for weak men. But that is not me. And it is not how i live my life.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Annee

I won't make excuses for weak men. But that is not me. And it is not how i live my life.

But, you’re still dictating on women’s rights.

a reply to: Annee

Annee, i have an opinion. I have no power to change anything. Keep the rhetoric in perspective.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Annee

Annee, i have an opinion. I have no power to change anything. Keep the rhetoric in perspective.

You are a man.

You don’t get pregnant.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Women’s rights and right of choice is the #1 thing I am uncompromising on.

We’ve still got a long way to go.

Separation of church and state is #2.

a reply to: Annee

I am not anti-religious as long as...

Annee, you are the single most anti-religious person I have ever had the displeasure of meeting! You have an animosity toward religion that is so strong it exudes form every post you make. I have no idea why you hate religion so much, and really, at this point, don't care to know. But that is a bald-faced blatant lie you just put up. At least be adult enough to admit what you are.

At least I can speak first hand experience on the subject.

I have two children who mean the very world to me. I'd fight a chainsaw in the middle of Hell itself with a broken switch for either of them. I was there throughout the pregnancy and I was there for the birth. My wife and I did it together.

I was also there for our third pregnancy. I won't go into details here on that because you will make some absolutely disrespectful comment that I would brain anyone standing in front of me for making. Just know you are NOT the sole authority on abortion.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Annee

I don’t think men should have a say in this.

Let's hear how loud you yell this after we remove Roe v. Wade.

I WILL have a say in how my country values or devalues human rights. Your thinking be damned.

That one line is the reason I want to see Roe v. Wade abolished once and for all. How dare you desire to remove my right to speak out on an issue?

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I don’t speak your language.

When religion affects me, I have a problem with it — as in government.

When religion does not affect me, I don’t have a problem with it.

Show me where I said I was some kind of authority on abortion.

a reply to: Annee

You don't want to speak "my language." You are trapped forever in your own private echo chamber between your ears.

Reality exists out here, among others who do not always think the way you think they do. Reality is people actually trying to listen to each other instead of running their words through mental filtering to make them say what you want to hear.

Stay in that echo chamber all you want. But you will not stop me form having an opinion on any damn thing I want to have an opinion on without a fight to the death.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Annee

You don't want to speak "my language." You are trapped forever in your own private echo chamber between your ears.

Reality exists out here, among others who do not always think the way you think they do. Reality is people actually trying to listen to each other instead of running their words through mental filtering to make them say what you want to hear.

Stay in that echo chamber all you want. But you will not stop me form having an opinion on any damn thing I want to have an opinion on without a fight to the death.

TheRedneck

LOL — you’re interesting

You present yourself as authoritative, but get easily flustered.

It’s a forum, I can hardly stop you from saying whatever.

But, same goes for me. I am never going to think like you — nor do I want to.

I choose to progress, as in move forward, evolve.

a reply to: Annee

Wish I could say you are interesting as well, but I can't. There is a term that describes you, but it is not allowed here so I won't use it.

You might not be able to stop me from posting here, but on Twitter? Facebook? There you can, and there I'm sure many of your comrades in arms have stopped men from posting. Worse, others like you take up the same chant of "Men shouldn't speak!" and it becomes that much harder for us to be taken seriously.

You want to hate me because I'm a man? That's your right. You want to hate me over my religion? Same thing; you go right on ahead. But it's my right to point out your hatred, and my right to speak to national issues whether you agree with it or not.

You and those like you are the reason for Roe v. Wade disappearing. When it happens, don't come crying for sympathy. I'll drink up those tears like fine vintage champagne and dance to your screams of despair. All in hopes that the next generations will see what your hatred has wrought you and will evolve to follow a more civilized path.

What you do is not evolving... it is devolving.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Whatever.

I don’t want to he like you, think like you, be of the culture you seem to be from.

Funny how you think you’re right and I’m wrong.

I choose me.

a reply to: Annee

I know you choose you; you are all you ever think about.

And I choose me. Live with it.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Annee

I know you choose you; you are all you ever think about.

And I choose me. Live with it.

TheRedneck

Unreal.

a reply to: Annee

For what its worth, "progress" indicates that improvement. To believe embracing the unknown is an improvement requires a lot of faith in righteousness.

I don't see it as progressing. I see it as going off the rails. The only "progressing" i can agree on relates to technology, and in removing the vestiges of British imperialism. Which, consequently, believed they were "progressing" as they trampled under foot the indigenous people of the world. And they believed themselves righteous in their endeavors. They'd call the indigenous "savages" and other names which, to them, justified their abhorrent abuses of the world.

All im saying is, don't be too sure of the direction you are moving in. I've heard it before, and it was wrong then. Demonstrably wrong, if we evaluate it today. British colonialism helped give rise to slavery, justified on the belief that they enslaved savages that were "barely human". This sounds an awful lot like what I am hearing today from the political party leaning left. All sorts of terrible behavior justified, because capitalists and conservatives deserve no sympathy. We are savages now, too.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

I guess women will need to choose to not get pregnant.

Where I live, the same people who campaign against abortion also campaign against sex education and the easy availability of contraception.

So girls don't always have the knowledge to make an informed choice.

This goes double for immigrant families who have a poor understanding of our language and some cultural toboos that make things even worse.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Its not about the woman. Its about the life that would be extinguished.

NO

It’s about the woman and her life.

I don’t think men should have a say in this.

That's like saying that women should have no say in conscription because it does not effect them.

Or that white people should have no say in the Dreamer debate.

Men currently don't get to choose if a woman has an abortion, they might want to be a father and can't force a woman to keep the child. Isn't this sufficient?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Sookiechacha
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Life is life. There are other options, such as adoption

Do you know how expensive it is to give birth in the US?

If you're white and middle class you may be able to find a childless couple willing to pay for you to carry the child to term, but if your a minority and a single mother giving birth could destroy you financially, if only because you can't pull as many shifts while pregnant.

If you want fewer abortions, then the answer is to have more socialism. Pay people's costs so that they can afford to have more children.

I can't possibly see how that might backfire, can you?