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posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 06:23 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

The facts don't fit the picture you've drawn, or have had drawn for you by the Trumpist fantasy media.

Yet instead of changing your picture to accommodate the facts -- to fit, that is, with reality -- you desperately make up further conspiracies to force the facts to fit your picture.

Your behaviour exemplifies perfectly the madness and confabulsm of right-wing America, but you are too far gone even to realize it.

Reality, pal. Doesn't care for Donald Trump or Fox News. Or even -- guess what? -- for the United States of America. Just goes on being real, no matter how many times you call it a hoax.

edit on 3/10/20 by Astyanax because: Typo



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck



I don’t trust the actions of Biden his wife, and his campaign one bit. Pulling negative Ads and making the the public think he might have some “nice“ in him when he really doesn’t. Give the public a slight warm fuzzy, not...It’s a show, a real circus one too.






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posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 06:59 AM
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It seems like a common sense move to be this pro-active given his status and being in a higher risk catagory. It could also stop any leaks or press intrusion due to being a military hospital which is essential to national security and patient health/recovery.

I imagine the White House offices will be having a deep clean and more stringent testing of staff in place to get rid of any trace of the virus in the White House - which would massively impeede his ability to work.

The experimental treatment is really odd though. I don't understand the first thing about Regeneron but allowing the use of an experimental treatment on any world leader seems bizarre. I thought things like that were only done as a last resort when the patient is close to death/almost certain to die without it due to the risk of side-effects. He certainly wasn't ill when he got on the chopper.
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posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:15 AM
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Remember when he sent Ivanka off to run the Ritz so he could bang Marla Maples?

Maybe this is something like that.
Say, wheres Kellyanne today? Anyone? Bueller?



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:18 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
Even that I could sorta get past... maybe Joe does have enough mental horsepower left to understand how badly attacking the President would hurt him right now. He has been in politics for 47 years, and some of it has to be instinct by now. But then I heard that Twitter was not allowing any messages wishing death on people, apparently in response to the President's condition. Twitter? The social media platform that has openly supported the likes of Antifa and BLM rioting? The same Twitter that pledges allegiance to the DNC every morning? That Twitter?

I think the reasons are two-fold. One, it is election season and the image of integrity for the left is now being played up. Two, if President does by some small chance die - a lot of their words will be going in the history books. That's a permanent record of the left wishing ill on a dying man if they don't nip the problem in the bud.



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:31 AM
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originally posted by: lakenheath24
Remember when he sent Ivanka off to run the Ritz so he could bang Marla Maples?

Maybe this is something like that.
Say, wheres Kellyanne today? Anyone? Bueller?


Both Kellyanne and Hopey Hicks, his happy talk girls, have the virus now too.



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:33 AM
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You sound pleased about that.

a reply to: Sookiechacha



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:34 AM
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originally posted by: VariableConstant
Interesting thread. A person is struck in the face with the fact that they have been fed bullsh*t.

Melania cares nothing at all about DJT. That much is obvious. Wouldn't even give him a simple hug after the debate.

Biden, while a complete POS that I would never nominate to mow my lawn, is not a total monster.

Covid-19 is real, and people can and have died from it. Lots of people. Trump is no exception. He's probably very sick, and being as he is old, fat, and out of shape, he may be in real trouble.

Democrats, while I don't agree with them, are not evil and they're not actively trying to destroy the country. They just have different opinions.

Are people here just now coming to face these facts?


here we go....could not saying in a better way



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:37 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

what was it like in the past when a president had a flu? did he have to go to hospital?



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:41 AM
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Ccp virus is the most accurate

Use that.


a reply to: 19Bones79



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:42 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


Now I'm concerned. Something's not right. Leopards do not change their spots, especially when those spots are tattooed on!


You’ve been wearing Fox News brand glasses that make you think everything around you has spots on it. Wake up. And realize that this right wing world you’ve been convinced exists and that you want so badly to believe exists, doesn’t exist.

Trump and his lackeys in the Republican Party want to convince everyone that what they do is ok because everyone else is the same way. That’s a lie.



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I would be concerned now that Trump is in the " treatment loop "....because it is literally easy peacy thing to murder anyone with wrong treatments...or by accident also. I say this because i know the medical cartel is very dangerous group...and well we know what happen to JFK .


intense drug therapy with eperimental drugs can kill anyone, and that is what happened during the previous SARS epidemic years ago....they started the intense drug therapys and killed patients.

Coronavirus: a reliable test is badly needed. We don’t have one



After the epidemic, which triggered much the same response as the current emergency, doctors and scientists began publishing insider accounts of what had happened in journals that are rarely seen by the general public. Some of them concerned the very toxic drugs used to treat SARS patients. These studies suggest that in the early days, patients with pneumonia were diagnosed with SARS because the symptoms – fever, headache, an aching body and a dry cough -were similar to those of pneumonia and flu. But the drugs they were given were much more toxic than those used for pneumonia, which could be why SARS gained the reputation for being such a deadly disease. At least some of the patients died from the treatment, not from the disease.




Coronavirus: a reliable test is badly needed. We don’t have one By Jerome Burne

Media coverage of the rapidly growing Coronavirus 2019 nCov epidemic is unanimous that official bodies are doing everything possible to contain it, using all the tools of modern medical science and public health resources. The UK government has committed 40 million pounds to research. We are told that this novel virus was rapidly identified, a test developed and those testing positive are being rapidly quarantined and treated with the latest medications. But there is a dissenting voice. David Crowe is a Canadian software and telecommunications engineer with a degree in mathematics and biology who has become an independent expert in 21st Century global infections such as SARS, Ebola and flu. Working from a database of 10,000 scientific papers, government, corporate and mainstream media reports, he has been raising fundamental questions about the way viral epidemics and are identified and treated.

A rush to judgement Crowe describes the current response as a ‘rush to judgement, based on the rapid application of an unproven test, made worse by the use of powerful unproven drugs with toxic side-effects on those who test positive.’ The Chinese seems to have tacitly acknowledged the issue by starting to change the way diagnoses are recorded – see below. Some of the evidence for his claim emerged in the aftermath of the last global epidemic caused by a coronavirus known as SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome). It was first reported in Asia in February 2003, spreading to more than two dozen countries around the world but was contained within the year. Out of the 8,098 who caught it, 774 died. After the epidemic, which triggered much the same response as the current emergency, doctors and scientists began publishing insider accounts of what had happened in journals that are rarely seen by the general public. Some of them concerned the very toxic drugs used to treat SARS patients.

These studies suggest that in the early days, patients with pneumonia were diagnosed with SARS because the symptoms – fever, headache, an aching body and a dry cough -were similar to those of pneumonia and flu. But the drugs they were given were much more toxic than those used for pneumonia, which could be why SARS gained the reputation for being such a deadly disease. At least some of the patients died from the treatment, not from the disease. Damage to blood cells and the liver For example, a report commissioned by a World Health Organization expert panel concluded that the antiviral drug ribavirin, widely used during the epidemic, caused the destruction of red blood cells (hemolytic anaemia) in one-third to two-thirds of patients and that 75% of them developed liver problems. The drug is also known to cause ‘flu-like symptoms such as fever, difficulty breathing, body aches and pains as well as being able to trigger psychiatric conditions such as depression, psychosis and aggressive behaviour.

Other reports showed that high dose corticosteroids, also widely used, caused lasting side effects, most notably serious neurological and bone problems. There is also evidence that these drugs, with their extremely unpleasant side effects, contributed to their deaths. Crowe’s research found that in the countries most affected by SARS, the rich ones – Singapore, Hong Kong and Canada – had a higher death rate than the poorer countries – China and Vietnam. This, he suggests, could have been due to high doses of the more expensive injectable ribavirin being used in the rich countries, while cheaper, low-dose, oral ribavirin was often used in poorer countries. SARS was so feared, not just because it was thought to be more deadly than other respiratory diseases, but also because it was believed to be highly infectious. But Crowe has evidence that this was a mistake too. It certainly doesn’t fit with an accidental experiment carried out at a Chinese hospital that mistakenly placed SARS and AIDS patients on the same floor of a hospital.



Alive-crowe-sars-sept03


I would not let doctors treat me with those experimental drugs , or my family .


So if Trump would die, they could just claim he die for covid-19 , even if the doctors would killed him with the treatments.

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don’t want you to know about


I hope and pray Trump will recover, but if he dies we may never know did they kill him.
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posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

I usually do have a lot of faith when it comes to Trump, but there's only so much one man can handle.

Another question that popped into my head this morning: his next to last tweet, the video address to the nation. Where was Melania? It was taken at the White House. If he wanted to show how well they were doing, wouldn't he have had Melania in it beside him?

Also, still no new tweets.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: carewemust


I was surprised to learn that the White House Corona Virus task force is being "kept in the dark" on the President's condition.

That would be concerning... but also confusing. Pence surely is being kept in the loop; he will be the one to assume power should the President become unable to perform his duties even temporarily. Pence is also the head of the Corona Virus Task Force.

Still haven't heard any new reports this morning on Fox either.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
I also have trouble understanding why Donald would abandon Melania that way...


It's one of two things, either they don't want her there because having an extra 'Vid-positive person around could be risky or she didn't want to go because she got tipped that there'd be some Russian hookers at Walter Reed.



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:56 AM
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a reply to: MerkabaMeditation


I´m certainly no doctor, but logic states that if he´s getting treatment with experimental drugs like Regeneron, then it´s most likely because he has a fever, because you don´t give usually give a patient experimental drugs unless there´s a real need for it.

Yeah, I would have expected the Remdesivir, or at least hydroxychloroquine cocktail, to have been tried first. Why would anyone go immediately to REGN-COV2? I mean, he was said to have a low-grade fever, but that is certainly not something that sounds like it screams "experimental drug."

Aggressive treatment, sure... he is President of the United States. Experimental treatment? One that has not made a blip on the news with all the talk about new drugs being tried? Just doesn't sound right.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 07:58 AM
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originally posted by: VariableConstant

He's probably very sick, and being as he is old, fat, and out of shape, he may be in real trouble.

Saying Trump is fat and out of shape isn't really a fair assessment of his health, because I get far less exercise than Trump yet I'm still thin. I would say Trump is actually more active than the majority of people especially people his own age, and even more so in the last 4 years.

He may get very sick though, and the more I read the more I'm starting to think he is quite sick. Boris Johnson seemed ok for the first couple of days then suddenly got much worse and took longer than normal to recover. Keep in mind Boris is 56 and Trump is 74, that's a difference of 18 years.

What's really concerning is the number of experimental treatments Trump appears to be getting. Trump was already taking things to boost his immune system and a very large percentage of people are asymptomatic, so unless he did have more severe symptoms the other experimental treatments seem suspicious.


I don’t have any details of the severity of the president’s condition, but when I hear that someone is hospitalized with Covid-19, that’s an indication that they have a more severe case,” said Ben-Aderet. “There is no benefit to being in the hospital otherwise.”

The three treatments that are available under emergency-use authorization by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for Covid-19 are only available in the hospital.
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The compound is still experimental, however, and some doctors speculated that its use by Trump may indicate his condition is worse than disclosed. Unapproved drugs are given on a compassionate-use basis when the potential benefits are significant and the patient is willing to accept the unknown risks.

“I’m very concerned about the president’s team giving him an unvetted, untested treatment,” said Jeremy Faust, an emergency medicine doctor at Brigham & Women’s Hospital in Boston and editor of Brief19, a daily roundup of news on SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 research. “This has not been shown to work in clinical trials.”

Faust said he was concerned that the move to give Trump the Regeneron drug reflected desperation.

Hospital Stay Broadens Array of Treatments Available to Trump


What's even more concerning is that Regeneron's drug isn't the only experimental treatment Trump has received. Apparently they also gave him something called Remdesivir which is another experimental treatment with unproven effectiveness. This article also points out how Regeneron prepared a single dose of REGN-COV2 for Trump under "compassionate use" provisions.


After being given an experimental antibody cocktail and relocating to a military hospital, US President Donald Trump has now been prescribed the unproven COVID-19 treatment remdesivir.
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Regeneron said it agreed to supply a single dose, given through an IV, for Mr Trump at the request of his physician under "compassionate use" provisions, when an experimental medicine is provided on a case-by-case emergency basis, while studies continue.
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Mr Trump's doctors "must be sufficiently concerned with what they are seeing that they decided to use an experimental medicine … Experimental drugs are by definition risky," said Edward Jones-Lopez, an infectious disease specialist at the Keck School of Medicine at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles.

Donald Trump has now been given at least two experimental COVID-19 treatments. Here's what we know about them


I also found this article from CNN where they have quotes from Leonard Schleifer and the phrasing he uses would suggest he knows Trump is going through a tough battle with Covid-19, and if he doesn't know that then it would suggest he has knowledge that Trump will soon be in a battle for his life. I don't think it's overly paranoid to think this guy is a bit suspicious, and it is alarming that Trump would be allowed to have these experimental drugs injected straight into his veins.


President Donald Trump is now "in a race" against the coronavirus, the CEO of biotechnology company Regeneron said Friday after the drug maker provided a dose of its experimental antibody treatment to the President.

"He's in a race where his immune system is racing against the virus, and if the virus wins you can have dire consequences, obviously, and what our antibodies do is we make it a fair fight," Dr. Leonard Schleifer told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

Trump 'in a race' against Covid-19 and experimental treatment makes it 'a fair fight,' Regeneron CEO says


Something else which popped out at me when I was reading some of these articles was the number of other drugs Trump is currently taking. I certainly wouldn't take such a large combination of drugs, especially not when I was taking 2 highly experimental drugs at the same time. Apparently famotidine is typically used for heart burn but it's also another experimental treatment for Covid-19, which seems to be why Trump is taking it.


Earlier, Dr Conley said Mr Trump "remains fatigued but in good spirits" after being treated with an experimental antibody cocktail for COVID-19.

The 74-year-old President received an intravenous dose of Regeneron Pharmaceuticals' dual antibody and was also taking zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin and aspirin.

Donald Trump taken to hospital after being treated with experimental coronavirus drug and showing 'mild' symptoms

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posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 08:00 AM
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Btw the 3rd result when I Google "Remdesivir" is a paper titled Compassionate Use of Remdesivir for Patients with Severe Covid-19



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain


Blatant written: If Trump dies and any details get out it could be a conspiracy, no one want's their hands dirty and be seen as an enemy of him. "It's all just politics, nothing personal".

That was my first thought... CYA, business as usual. But, while this virus can be deadly and deserves to be taken seriously, the death rate is far from terrible. I've been hearing doctors saying Trump has a 99% chance of survival... that's better than my chances were with heart surgery! And I paid for that "privilege."

So if there is almost no chance of dying at this time, based on the reports of only mild symptoms, why change course so quickly and so thoroughly? I thought the election was at stake? I thought the future of democracy itself was at stake? I thought the world as we know it was at stake?


Suddenly you will not hear anything about riots from the media either.

Not a word about riots since this started. Not. One. Word.

I normally watch the late playings of Tucker and Hannity; they are both big on showing the latest atrocities by the rioters. They weren't on last night. Instead it was continual coverage with Sharon Bream. I've never seen that... no matter what's going on, the hosts simply switch behind the scenes while the big news report plays through.

TheRedneck



posted on Oct, 3 2020 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

I look at it this way. Trump has until Oct 15th to get better. If he doesn't his misses the debate. He can theoretically have Pence stand in for him for the debate, and temporarily turn over the presidency to him. This throws the left for a tail spin and ignites the right. Why? Because the left is a one pony show. Hate Trump, tar and feather Trump. So if one, they can't do that, because lets face it, if they do, they look like Aholes, thats a lose and ignites the Trump supporters. 2, if they do, they are potentially wasting money on a target that is already gone. If Pence takes over, he is the nominee, Temporarily, and as a result, They have to pivot to him. There really isn't much to go on for Pence, as he kinda just sits in a dark corner, and plays nice to everyone. So if they start attacking him, that means that now they are just anti-republican, especially since they are already attacking republicans over the supreme court. They can't do it. Third, by keeping Melania in the White house, you initiate speculation, why does hicks have it? mmm, beautiful young woman, coincidence? Trump is baiting the media to start speculating. If they take it, it ignites the right even more. 4th, If Pence takes charge, the right has the potential to align the right against the dem, to get the supreme court nominee in, as even if Pence is only temporary, it still shows that he could potentially be president, and he may elect even more conservative judges. All in all, this is a win/win/win for Trump. The left can't attack him without looking like asses, the left can't attack Pence without looking like asses, they get their Supreme Court Nominee, if a debate happens, it only shows that the left has no platform other that anit-trump, and if the media attacks, it shows what they really are a platform for the left. Trump basically just handicapped all his enemies in one swoop. All by just sitting around and not doing a damn thing. I think this whole situation works in his favor.

Camain



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