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Why was Trump such a threat to our Democracy in 2016?

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posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: network dude

I just hope they leave their political views before relocating to a nice republican area. But chances are they will vote for the same chitty policies they fled from.

To answer you OP question. They fear him because he can't be bought or bribed. He doesn't need any money from lobbyists. They knew he would pull the curtain and reveal their misdeeds. It wasn't just hunter biden getting rich from other countries it's most of our politicians and their family and friends. Lots of money to be made in backroom deals that you or I would get 20 years in prison for.






posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: Bobaganoosh

He's also implying that cops magically decided to shoot people because Trump got elected too.

Oh and that a virus in China decided to spread all over the world because of Trump.
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posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: underwerks
Have you claimed your personal responsibility today?



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I get it. It's just mind blowing to me. Trump threatened the status quo. I can't believe so many people were cool with our country being sold out from under us for 40 years, lining the pockets of leaches on both sides, and Trump comes along. He exposes everything and jacks it up royally, and he's the bad guy.

Oh but I'm propagandized.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:50 PM
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Probably a mishmash of..

"If he is elected, we all will hang!"
-hc

And

"I don't want to lose my China market!"
- most politicians

This is all under the assumption they are not playing us. Which they do.
-Your vote for the system (Trump) happily to avoid the commi hidden enemy alternative.
It comes across as a big reverse psychology op.





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posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: Peeple



It was run under the principle of a strong market that would bind the loyalties of other nations, not exactly an empire more a idealistic, liberal, capitalistic bond of shared interests.
Trump absolutely #ed that into the ground...


Has nothing to do with businesses selling out the west for cheap labor and less environmental costs in China. Way before Trump.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: network dude

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But all of the sudden, I'm not so sure that's the case. If a group of 1000 wiener gobblers can attack a US city for 100 nights in a row, perhaps our nation is ripe for being overtaken.


That a thousand people, no need for disparaging adjectives here, can attack a US city for a hundred nights in a row I agree that there is something greatly askew in our development as a democracy. Yet it is my contention that the election of a man whose entire career has demonstrated a propensity to the fast buck, to money made through over borrowing and tax loopholes for failures is at least as strong an indication of our lost ability to survive.

Times change Dude. Liberalism MAY be dead. Conservatism MAY be the best charted course to the future. I"m game for that consideration. But Dude, when I look at who conservatives have chosen to lead that charge to to overtake a ripe nation I have to question the entire proposition of conservatism.

Add to that the choice of the other party, Biden to lead the charge to do what ever the hell he and his are going to do leads me to an almost moot difference. But while Biden may be capable of hiding his incompetency from being silent, Trump has not even that quality, ie that last debate. Trump blew like a typhoon, constantly red in his scowling face and all Biden had to do was stand by calmly laughing. He did a lot of that. How could Trump have blown that debate so badly.

That debate was not for you or me other others like us. That debate was for those few who are still undecided. Whether or not it had any swaying effect on those folk remains to be seen I guess.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:55 PM
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To start with most of these low level flunkies thought Hillary had the election in the bag and were almost right. If she had won none of what they did before the election would have come out. The problem after the election was the losers then doubled and tripled down on their resistance. And Trump himself magnified the problem by not taking measures against the career Democrats right away in positions of power.

One big problem here was all those Democrats that were aiming for positions of power in a Hillary administration. A lot of those dreams came crashing down on their heads after the election. A large number of those Democrats had to go looking for jobs away from Washington DC. A whole generation of future Deep Staters got nipped in the bud.

Another problem is a lot of the bureaucratic structures the Democrats had setup for access to their power got upset. Hillary's so called Foundation was one of those. It raked in hundred of millions of dollars in 2016. Then she lost the election and the donations dried up. Most of the Democrats in Congress have such foundations and their contributions dried up as well. No influence to sell when Republicans are in charge. Trump smacked them right in the checkbook when he dismantled their toll gates.

And another detail is that Trump upset their apple cart when it comes to their steady push to turn the United States into a socialist state. After 8 years of Obama and 8 years of Hillary the US would have been there. MAGA totally disrupted their dreams of a American Socialist utopia under perpetual rule of Democrats.

So simply put Trump is the nightmare that Democrats and Socialists in general were afraid of in their quest for world domination. Knocking them out of power and into the poorhouse.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: network dude

Lots of effort, sweat and hard work has been put in building a large sphere of hegemony for the US, it's often referred to as "The West" you might have heard that before?
It was run under the principle of a strong market that would bind the loyalties of other nations, not exactly an empire more a idealistic, liberal, capitalistic bond of shared interests.
Trump absolutely #ed that into the ground... it split that's how hard he #ed that.

The USA internally had a social contract that guaranteed everyone who'd work hard can make it no matter where they come from.
Alas Trump's rethoric and the fact that he won the election with it butchered that illusion once and for all.

And here we are, the whole world thinks the US are a joke and insane, streets are burning...
but boy geez why could have anyone wanted to prevent that? #winning


If I understand your "post", you don't like Trump's America First policy, and you somehow think Trump is at fault for Democratic mayors, and Governors not prosecuting rioting, or protecting their cities and citizens. Is that accurate?



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Sorry. Trump showed Biden the respect Biden deserved.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Free market. Do you have a problem with that?
Competition, may the better one win
If you can get millions of idiots to pay for an overprized # product it's not Apple's fault, is it?
If nobody gives a # how their product came to be you just want cheap it's not Bangladesh's fault, is it?

In a free market the consumer has responsibility so don't blame China Americans are too dumb for their own economic system.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: network dude

No it's not.
Part of why I supported Trump at first was his America First slogan, however the results are the opposite.
And I am not keen on living in a police state, however the president has offered absolutely nothing but # to solve the situation didn't he?



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Terry, what we used to have (the illusion of a working two party system) seems to have been just that. I mean think about this for a minute, apolitically. In less than 4 years, a guy (Trump) became president, and ruined the entire world, yet all we can see as a cause of this is he was tough on trade, refused to believe we were never going to make things again, and acts like a dick with no manners on a regular basis. I just don't think that timeline is realistic, yet that's what being claimed.


And the debate was a joke all around. Trump was 1/3 of the comedy, to not blame the other 2/3 is disingenuous and wrong. But they should never happen like that again, or at all. But that's not the topic here today.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

As you wish to see it Mr. Flux. Thing is though, Trump shows no respect to ANYONE if they don't place him at the top of their hierarchy. Trump did not need to respect Biden. He needed to respect the American people who tuned into that debate. He needed to respect the agreed upon rules and decorum of the debate that his campaign signed off on. He offered no respect to anyone in that debate. Can you not see that? If he was not going to respect Biden, or the moderator or the agreed upon rules why did he even bother to show up at all.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: neutronflux

As you wish to see it Mr. Flux. Thing is though, Trump shows no respect to ANYONE if they don't place him at the top of their hierarchy. Trump did not need to respect Biden. He needed to respect the American people who tuned into that debate. He needed to respect the agreed upon rules and decorum of the debate that his campaign signed off on. He offered no respect to anyone in that debate. Can you not see that? If he was not going to respect Biden, or the moderator or the agreed upon rules why did he even bother to show up at all.


No really. The elite politicians and those sacking and torching cities stop showing respect to me long ago.



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posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: network dude

No it's not.
Part of why I supported Trump at first was his America First slogan, however the results are the opposite.
And I am not keen on living in a police state, however the president has offered absolutely nothing but # to solve the situation didn't he?


The issue exists in the cites. Trump offered help. Constitutionally he cannot just march in and take over. Knowing that, what should he do? Here are some facts. The riots are continuing in democratic run cities. Not a Partisian jab, just a fact. The Prosecutors in those cities aren't putting the bad people in jail. They are letting them go, and son of a bitch if they don't just go right back out the next night and do the same sh!t. So while I'd like to see a few small squads of special forces walk in with really big weapons and slap the stupid out of all the "protesters with sticks and weapons", it seems that's not going to happen. The leaders of those cities have to do this on their own.

And the Trade deals seem to be going well and in favor of the USA. If that's not the case, can you explain what you mean with that?



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:16 PM
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The leaders of those cities have to do this on their own.


Bingo.

It is an odd notion that has been established, as if the POTUS is the supreme commander of all the other politicians in the country, and is somehow responsible for incompetence on their part.

Been a long time since high school government class, but that isn't how it works. Contrary to popular notions, there are limits to the power of the presidency.

Cheers



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

So I guess you like the soft tyranny of getting her hair done Pelosi and her ice cream collection. With the attitude of let them eat Ice cream while the working person was under the strain of the COVID-19 lockdowns just trying to find toilet paper.

At least Trump is transparent.
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posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: ntech

You're almost right except for one thing -- it wasn't a quest for world domination. It was a quest for globalism and the job of Obama and Hillary was to cut the US off at the knees and hobble her into line by basically destroying her slowly and in increments and putting in place measures to make sure she could never rise again.



posted on Oct, 1 2020 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

Look around you.

Everything you see that is happening with the country is a result of Donald Trump running this country like one of his businesses. I.E. surrounding himself with yes men, and delegating everything important to under-qualified underlings. Then disparaging anyone who disagrees with him as an enemy. Except now they’re not only personal enemies, they’re enemies of America and traitors.

Do that as a leader of a country, and here we are.



So I look and I see 99% of what is screwed up is the liberals freaking out. They are causing their own pain and suffering as the media drug deals the OMB to them. You can't like cut your own arm and then hold it up and say see what Trump did...lol geez. That is basically what the left is doing.



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