Asian privilege?

Hahaha. Asian privilege.

Get a job you hippie!

originally posted by: igloo
a reply to: [post=25414298]dug88[/po

Could the difference be that african american are american born whereas those listed as specific countries might include a lot of immigrants?

I was an immigrant in the 70s and my dad had to have jobs that were needed and serve time working in remote areas but he was only accepted due to his degree.(he was a dentist) This could account for this discrepancy... well trained individuals are most likely to be able to immigrate and be accepted. There are refugee populations but they might be a much smaller number that university degree immigrants that can provide the country with decades of tax money.

I definitely think that has much to do with it. Anyone who risks everything he/she owns to move to another country — especially one that’s very different from their own — has ambition and courage. And moving from a very poor or chaotic nation to one with free public education and few social barriers must seem like a dream come true.

I suspect their America-born children often absorb some of their values.

Note: The list is of U.S. citizens, though I suspect some are naturalized.

originally posted by: peter_kandra
a reply to: igloo

That's a good point. Having parents/grandparents in the same house allows a spouse to go to school or work without worrying about childcare.

I’ve read about Vietnamese families with multiple generations living in one house and pooling their incomes together to buy a small business. Family members serve as all or most of the employees. They’re able to build wealth rapidly without accumulating a lot of debt.

a reply to: Scapegrace

Some call it privilege........

We call it don't bring home an A-
Work until you are ready to collapse
Work some more
Two jobs is for wimps, why not three?

Work (or study) so much there is no time for
-race wars
-trouble
-silly statistics

originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: Scapegrace
Here’s a list of U.S. median household incomes of ethnic groups in descending order. Seven of the Top Ten are Asian.

1. Indian American (2019): $123,453 [12]
2. Taiwanese Americans (2018): $102,328[10]
3. Chinese Americans & Taiwanese Americans: (2018): $93,944[10]
4. Korean American (2018): $93,315[10]
5. Filipino American (2018): $92,328[10]
6. Australian American (2016): $90,930[12]
7. South African American (2017): $90,517[12]
8. Austrian American (2016): $80,717[12]
9. Japanese American (2018): $80,036[10]
10. Singaporean American (2016) $79,852[12]
11. Russian American (2016): $77,841[12]
12. Pakistani American (2018): $77,074[10]
13. Bulgarian American (2016): $76,862[12]
14. Lithuanian American (2016): $76,694[12]
15. Israeli American (2016): $76,584[12]
16. Slovene American (2016): $75,940[12]
17. Iranian American (2017): $75,905[12]
18. Basque American (2016): $75,864[12]
19. Lebanese American (2016): $75,337[12]
20. Croatian American (2016): $73,991[12]
21. Sri Lankan American: $73,856[12]
22. Scandinavian American (2016): $73,797[12]
23. Belgian American (2016): $73,443[12]
24. Swiss American (2016): $72,823[12]
25. Italian American (2016): $72,586[12]
26. Ukrainian American (2016): $72,449[12]
27. Romanian American (2016): $72,381[12]
28. Greek American (2016): $72,291[12]
29. Polish American (2016): $71,172[12]
30. Danish American (2016): $71,550[12]
31. Swedish American (2016): $71,217[12]
32. Slavic American (2016): $71,163[12]
33. Norwegian American (2016): $71,142[12]
34. Indonesian American: $70,851[10]
35. Canadian American (2016): $70,809[12]
36. Czech American (2016): $70,454[12]
37. Finnish American (2016): $70,045[12]
38. Serbian American (2016): $70,028[12]
39. French Canadian American (2016): $68,075[12]
40. Hungarian American (2016): $69,515[12]
41. Portuguese American (2016): $67,807[12]
42. Cambodian American: $67,766[10]
43. Slovak American (2016): $67,471[12]
44. Armenian American (2016): $67,450[12]
45. Hmong American (2018) $67,372[10]
46. Vietnamese American (2018): $67,331[10]
47. German American (2016): $67,306[12]
48. Irish American (2016): $66,688[12]
49. Ghanaian American (2016): $66,571[12]
50. Turkish American (2016): $66,566[12]
51. Laotian American (2018): $65,958[10]
52. Thai Americans (2018): $65,357[10]
53. Palestinian American (2016): $65,170[12]
54. Egyptian American (2016): $64,728[12]
55. Dutch American (2016): $63,597[12]
56. French American (2016): $63,471[12]
57. Median American Household Income (2018): $63,179[10]
58. Syrian American (2016): $63,096[12]
59. Nepalese American: $62,848[13]
60. Albanian American (2016): $62,624[12]
61. Polynesian American (2018): $61,654[10]
62. Guyanese American (2016): $60,968[12]
63. Nigerian American (2016): $60,732[12]
64. British American (2016): $59,872[12]
65. British West Indian American (2016): $60,407[12]
66. Cuban American: $57,000[14]
67. West Indian American: $56,998[12]
68. Brazilian American (2016): $56,151[12]
69. Barbadian American: $56,078[12]
70. Argentine American: $55,000[15]
71. Scotch-Irish American (2016): $54,187[12]
72. Jamaican American (2016): $52,669[12]
73. Trinbagonian Americans: $55,303[12]
74. Cajun American: $52,886[12]
75. Moroccan American (2016): $52,436[12]
76. Peruvian Americans: $52,000[12]
77. American Americans (2016): $51,601[12]
78. Scottish American (2016): $51,925[12]
79. Jordanian American (2016): $51,552[12]
80. Welsh American (2016): $50,351[12]
81. Pennsylvania German American (2016): $48,955[12]
82. Ecuadorian American: $48,600[12]
83. Colombian American: $48,000[15]
84. Haitian American (2016): $47,990[12]
85. English American (2016): $47,663[12]
86. Cape Verdean American (2016): $47,281[12]
87. Bangladeshi American: $47,252[12]
88. Burmese American (2018): $45,348[10]
88. Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac American (2016): $44,733[12]
99. Afghan American: $43,838[12]
91. Bahamian American: $42,000[12]
92. Ethiopian American (2016): $41,357[12]
93. Mexican American: $38,000[15]
94. Puerto Rican American: $36,000[15]
95. African Americans(2013): $33,500[16]
96. Iraqi American (2016): $32,818[12]
97. Dominican American: $32,000[15]
98. Somali American: $18,756[15]

My group — Scottish Americans — came in at No. 78, with a median household income less than $52,000. Welsh Americans were 80th and English Americans were 85th. All of these British ancestry groups had lower incomes than Americans of Jamaican, Barbadian, Nigerian, Guyanese, West Indian, British West Indian, Ghanaian and Trinbagonian ancestry.

Folks who identified as British American (rather than English, Scottish, etc.) ranked lower than Ghanaians, Guyanese and Nigerians.

The footnote links at the end of each ancestry group denote the following sources: [10] is from a 2018 U.S. Census Bureau survey, [12] is from a 2015 Census Bureau survey, [13] is from a 2014 Census Bureau survey, [14] is from a 2015 Pew Research study, [15] is from a 2014 Washington Post story and [16] is from a 2015 Pew Research study.

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One could make several points based on this 'Wikipedea' data.

You failed to make one. Are you assuming that people know what you are thinking?

You seem pissed off? Why is that?

This is statistical AVERAGE data that applies only to populations not individuals. A person in any of the ethic groups listed (if ethnic is even a valid word for this delineation) could make $5,000 a year or $1,000,000 a year and be part of that groups average.

What are you pissed off about? That people of Scotitsh decent are #78 on the list. What does that have to do with you?

Do you feel entitled to a certain wage because of your ethnic background regardless of your education (formal and not - think social skill and emotional intelligence otherwise known as character), skills and experience.

Do you get to add up all the the ethnic background in your DNA to get the correct amount?

Let's see - I have some Scotts in me too and Icelandic, Norwegian, and Engilsh on my Mothers side plus German, French and Eastern European on my Dad's. And that's just the acknowledged forbearer there may be many unacknowledged ethnic groups as well. African, Middle Eastern maybe even an American Indian or two. So how much should I make?

Again, what are you pissed about and what does this list have to do with your anger.

I’m not pissed off, certainly not at any ethnic group that’s more successful than mine. Whatever they have has been earned with hard work. More power to ‘em.

I came across this list and was surprised at the rankings, albeit not so much about successful Asians. I do think it destroys the myth of white privilege though, don’t you?

OP got it completely wrong...thread should be titled financial privilege. You made it about race but didn't include anything about being Asian blooded that gives you privilege over other races. Seems like someone who hates the idea of white privilege and is trying to debunk it.

Asians have had so much experiences with racism during the coronavirus, this thread is in very bad taste by the title alone.

originally posted by: game over man
OP got it completely wrong...thread should be titled financial privilege. You made it about race but didn't include anything about being Asian blooded that gives you privilege over other races. Seems like someone who hates the idea of white privilege and is trying to debunk it.

Asians have had so much experiences with racism during the coronavirus, this thread is in very bad taste by the title alone.

I don’t hate the idea of white privilege — I think it’s nonsense. And this list amply supports my belief. I don’t begrudge the amazing success of Asian Americans. They earned it through hard work, delaying self-gratification and staying out of trouble. Me and my fellow Scottish-Americans could learn a thing or two from them. I admire them.

a reply to: Scapegrace

I don’t hate the idea of white privilege — I think it’s nonsense. And this list amply supports my belief. I don’t begrudge the amazing success of Asian Americans. They earned it through hard work, delaying self-gratification and staying out of trouble. Me and my fellow Scottish-Americans could learn a thing or two from them. I admire them.

If two people are told to dig a hole and one is given a spoon, and another is given a shovel, yet the one that is given the spoon works day and night to dig the hole first, did the person that had the shovel have privileged? YES, and they both were better off than another person that just had their bare hands.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Scapegrace

I don’t hate the idea of white privilege — I think it’s nonsense. And this list amply supports my belief. I don’t begrudge the amazing success of Asian Americans. They earned it through hard work, delaying self-gratification and staying out of trouble. Me and my fellow Scottish-Americans could learn a thing or two from them. I admire them.

If two people are told to dig a hole and one is given a spoon, and another is given a shovel, yet the one that is given the spoon works day and night to dig the hole first, did the person that had the shovel have privileged? YES, and they both were better off than another person that just had their bare hands.

You're excluding a variable, possibly several. The person given the shovel didn't take advantage of having a better tool to accomplish the same job. Shovel person probably doesn't have enough drive or doesn't even realize it's a competition.....yes, life is a competitive sport if you will. It truly boils down to laziness and complacency. Spoon or shovel, Asians simply get it done.🤷🏾‍♂️

a reply to: Scapegrace

I don't think this have anything really to do with the White Privilege issue becuase that issue is about much more then just money.

And I read your post as angry because I am so angry at these miss uses of the average function and was projecting on to you - my apologies.

An average over a population is just that, it does not tell us anything about the distribution among a popluation.

Take a population of 100. One person makes 10 million a year and the other 99 people make 10K a year. Average wage ~ $109K a year. On the other hand take the median, on the same population, and we get 10K a year. The median is that number that divides a population into two halves - 50% above the median and 50% below.

To make it more interesting the article may in fact be stating the average median income and how that would be calculated I don't know. By stating this hybrid statistic it's very easy to downplay income disparities.

Statistics are very useful, I wish I knew more, but they cannot ever in any case predict outcomes or 'The right wage' for an individual.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Shovels are for digging?



So I have to check Poverty_in_the_United_States for my group.

Poverty and race/ethnicity

The US Census declared that in 2014 14.8% of the general population lived in poverty:[82]
10.1% of all white non-Hispanic persons
12.0% of all Asian persons
23.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
26.2% of all African American persons
28.3% of Native Americans / Alaska Natives

originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: Scapegrace

I find this interesting.

95. African Americans(2013): $33,500[16]

7.South African American (2017): $90,517[12]
49. Ghanaian American (2016): $66,571[12]
54. Egyptian American (2016): $64,728[12]
63.. Nigerian American (2016): $60,732[12]
75. Moroccan American (2016): $52,436[12]
86. Cape Verdean American (2016): $47,281[12]
92. Ethiopian American (2016): $41,357[12]
98. Somali American: $18,756[15]

How do African Americans fall at 95, when all the African countries listed are far higher than that apart from Somalia and Ethiopia?

This is my theory. It costs money to get here from Africa. A good amount of money. This isnt like hopping a wall. This is like getting the proper paperwork and visas together. People with money, tend to have an education. Having an education can get you a job. Having a goal helps too. In the business I work in, its competitive. A Nigerian woman, whom I am friendly with, is always wanting to learn what I know. She is always asking questions. I tell her, but I dont tell her everything. Lol.

I feel sometimes that a lot of African Americans have never been taught to have goals. Or made to feel that they cant have goals. Or they are told by people close to them, that they can never be successful.

I also feel, you can come from any background and made to feel this way. I think it comes down to the parenting. And parenting is generational. When you have generations of broken homes, you are more likely to have broken dreams.

It's not because "its because I'm black". Those statistics seem to say otherwise.

Income isn’t a measurement of life success nor is it a measure of happiness. However, it does help.

Every East Indian an Asian a Doctor, or build a robot apparently.

They do put a lot of emphasis on education, even to the point it becomes the sterotypical, imperial death before dishonor system.

Dont believe me, Japanese suicide rates go up when report cards come out. Not only that, the above are cheap an smart.

Arizona officer under investigation after accused of holding Black man at gunpoint while looking for White suspect
kvoa.com... e-suspect/

Sigh! It's not how much you make vs how much you don't or how educated you are, it's about how you are generally perceived as a group, often with negative even fatal consequences, Jeeze , on average A As are perceived negatively, an accented black may or may not get a pass, and this thing is not new to Black Ppl , but gwaad forbid we should look into the historical reasons why.

The above article + vid put it in an overly dramatic fashion, and you're not gonna tell me those passive aggressive vids of Black Ppl getting policed by random white Ppl going about their business escaped you.
Asians can get it too, but up till the era of Trump Covid they were generally seen as safe, a brown dude better not be caught speaking on the phone in some foreign language in some commnities, White Ppl no matter who , generally get the benefit of the doubt, how many wealthy Blk got checked walking into their homes.

a reply to: Scapegrace

To be pissed that another ethnic group is more successful than yours would imply that you identify so strongly with that group that it's more important than your personal identity.

So this group or that group as aggregates may rank here or that, but that has nothing to do with me personally and where I rank out in life, right?

It's like saying that if I join this or that group or organization, if I don't see others in my "group" who have already succeeded there, then I have no business thinking I can succeed there. It's an alien concept to me. If no one other like me has, then I damn well will or do my level best to.

And therein lies ALL the the troubles that has plagued America since its inception. More so in todays climate that's turning some American cities into the cesspits they are.
Why oh why do you all play along with it and as long as you do America will never change.
What am I on about, what's all this about??? Indian Americans, Irish Americans, Scottish American etc. etc. In that list it's pure alienation, exclusivity, my group special.
If you can't class yourselves as AMERICAN AMERICAN you aught to get out of the country because YOU people are the ones causing the problems.
As far as I know there is no other country in the world that uses those epithets, except,except to use the titles as a derogatory meaning.

originally posted by: igloo
Could it also be to do with the fact that many of these cultures life in multi generational homes and could account for higher household income?

Could be, that is the norm of the world except for America. I keep asking what is a living wage based on since it should not be single living conditions and these cultures work on pooling their efforts so that they all live better.

originally posted by: dug88

How do African Americans fall at 95, when all the African countries listed are far higher than that apart from Somalia and Ethiopia?

Because many live in a dysfunctional society that is just a never ending cycle of failure for them. Those that get out of that cycle do well, but when you have generations stuck there with little desire to get better without more and more handouts that don't really help it never gets better.

Along with the OP's statistics there is one that shows the groups with the most Goverment support are also the poorest, so I feel there is true correlation there that subsistence breeds a society of sloths...

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Scapegrace

To be pissed that another ethnic group is more successful than yours would imply that you identify so strongly with that group that it's more important than your personal identity.

So this group or that group as aggregates may rank here or that, but that has nothing to do with me personally and where I rank out in life, right?

It's like saying that if I join this or that group or organization, if I don't see others in my "group" who have already succeeded there, then I have no business thinking I can succeed there. It's an alien concept to me. If no one other like me has, then I damn well will or do my level best to.

I should have made it clear in the OP that I don’t resent the success of Asian Americans. I was trying to show how silly the “white privilege” theory is by highlighting the success of numerous non-white, non-European ethnic groups in America.

I was sarcastically implying that if any racial group in America had some kind of systemic advantage, it must be Asians, because they’re doing so well. But I don’t really believe that. Asians obviously aren’t using white privilege. Their success is almost entirely due to their own efforts. We can all learn from their example, including white people.