Does limiting the N word silence black cultural figures?

As a Richard Pryor fanboy, I need to be able to say the "N word" to appreciate his greatness.
As a Patrice O'neal fanboy, I need to be able to say the "N word" to appreciate his greatness.

If I really wanna sing along with "F the Police" and appreciate it's greatness I need to say the "N word" to state the name of the band.

Is it possible that the limiting of the "N word" isn't about appeasing white guilt but silencing dissenting black views?

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
As a Richard Pryor fanboy, I need to be able to say the "N word" to appreciate his greatness.
As a Patrice O'neal fanboy, I need to be able to say the "N word" to appreciate his greatness.

If I really wanna sing along with "F the Police" and appreciate it's greatness I need to say the "N word" to state the name of the band.

Is it possible that the limiting of the "N word" isn't about appeasing white guilt but silencing dissenting black views?

As I have seen, using the "N word" is accepted in parts of AA culture.
I'm not sure your argument.
But let me give you one of my own.

I would suggest no.
But this is only my perspective, as a "white boy (of native American decent)" that worked for 3 years with an MLK jr project that uplifted the Black voice.

The interesting thing was, at that time no labels as described were thrown around.
We all got along, and the friends I made still get along.

If the artist's I know are not making race an issue, I suspect you are coming from a vantage point that goes beyond my experience.

I will appreciate your follow up.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
The N word is just a word. It has connotations but they are constantly being reworked. There are kids out there that see the N word as whatever it means now, not what it used to mean. Brains work like that.
As an example I can only give the word 'gay'.
First it meant happy, then it became a label, then kids used it on the playground meaning something akin to wussy.
Spastic was a medical word, then this medical word was used to describe your mates when they did something stupid. Then it was banned. Now it's called Scopies and people use this word now instead of the first for the same reasons.

The N word is just that, a word that was derogative, then it was taken by the blacks as a kind of sarcastic way of showing they don't care. Then they all call each other this but tell whites not to use it because then it would mean it's original meaning. Even though it isn't it's original meaning at all any longer. Kids use it now as a shock value but they don't feel it because to them it's a rude word that 'cool' [not to me] rappers use.

It is still a word though. Why is it raycissss to call a black person a N, but it isn't rayciss to call them a c-n-u-t or a wanker or an asshat etc?

It's a stupid word, one I don't use because I am neither young nor black. Let them use it. Just like FeCK it's a #ty word but really it's just letters arranged in a fashion so that some humans can do something in their brains with it. These are your choices:

Be offended by it
Feel special using it
Feel naughty using it
Feel nothing and just say it every two seconds
Riot about it
Do nothing and don't care

It's a word and it's meaning is so diluted that nobody shoudl give a damn, even if a snow white extreme racist uses it to insult, it's only an insult if you think you are a N, or if you let it bother you, or you want to be bothered by it.

People can chose. It's still only 6 letters.

Best I can figure, the n word is socially unacceptable if you aren't one of the "in" crowd.

These days, words can be hate crimes if anyone within earshot decides they are.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

My argument isn't about labels.
It's about censorship.

I'm scared that young liberals will dismiss wisdom from the greats such as Pryor because of the language used...

IF they have the opportunity to hear it.

Its nothing but cultural appropriation from peeps of Nigerian descent.

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
People can chose. It's still only 6 letters.

5!

That's important.

When you can see it pisses a lot of people off you have a choice, ignore them or stop using it.
What i just cannot imagine is white kids enforcing the rule, but it is happening!

Here you can see a white kid hitting a other white kid with a skateboard for saying it:
Link

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I don't know about silencing them, but it certainly makes it harder to quote them.

do you have any idea how many words are now off limits and how many times those words are used in socially culturally or historically important texts from the Civil rights period?

Meh, I manage to live my life happily and without feeling restricted by anything and I don’t use the word. I can’t think of a time where I’ve ever thought, “Man, my life would be a lot better if I could just drop an n-bomb right now.”

That said, I do find the hypocrisy/double standard to be exactly that, hypocritical and a double-standard, I just choose not to participate in any of it.

If one hasn't figured out that this word is all about usurping POWER (i.e. WE can say this word with impunity, however if you use it, we'll come after your job, your reputation, your money etc), then there's nothing else to say. That's all it is, a power trip. Look at bald pedo guy from Kenosha; he was screaming the N word at the top of his lungs before being shot. Yet I haven't seen any mention of it in MSM, in fact none of this guys background has been reported in news I've seen. His only use to MSM is "that 'demonstrator' that was killed by the 'active shooter'".

This is the TIP of the double standards iceberg that people need to negotiate in modern life. Honestly that is one of the smaller icebergs to dodge.

originally posted by: randomtangentsrme

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
As a Richard Pryor fanboy, I need to be able to say the "N word" to appreciate his greatness.
As a Patrice O'neal fanboy, I need to be able to say the "N word" to appreciate his greatness.

If I really wanna sing along with "F the Police" and appreciate it's greatness I need to say the "N word" to state the name of the band.

Is it possible that the limiting of the "N word" isn't about appeasing white guilt but silencing dissenting black views?

As I have seen, using the "N word" is accepted in parts of AA culture.
I'm not sure your argument.
But let me give you one of my own.

I would suggest no.
But this is only my perspective, as a "white boy (of native American decent)" that worked for 3 years with an MLK jr project that uplifted the Black voice.

The interesting thing was, at that time no labels as described were thrown around.
We all got along, and the friends I made still get along.

If the artist's I know are not making race an issue, I suspect you are coming from a vantage point that goes beyond my experience.

I will appreciate your follow up.

I stopped reading at "white boy of Native American decent"

You know damn well that's impossible and stop being a damn culture vulture.

I absolutely hate it when white people say that are part Native Americans when they dont even look like a Mexican.

White people that have Native blood are called latinos. This is a fact.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar
People can chose. It's still only 6 letters.

5!

That's important.

Oh yes, that version. Ha. Still. You are right though about cancelling Richard Pryor. I wish he was still alive and see what is happening. The left always eats itself. First they ban their perceived enemies, then they cancel each other and then, when life is unbearable, someone comes to the rescue and life gets better...until the next idiots grow up who have not been told about history and it repeats itself.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Louis CK got away with it. He had a joke about n!gger joe or something. It's all about context and i think it has gone a bit too far when people think white people can't say it in proper context.

You call it a power trip, but i would say that black people just don't want white people to throw around a word they created to hurt black people in the past. America treated blacks horrifically and they ask that we don't throw around a racist term. I think that's perfectly understandable. White people inherited the wealth and power, and still get upset they can't use the one word black people don't want them tp use..

However, I think we should be more open to context and meaning, rather than looking to cancel.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Louis CK got away with it. He had a joke about n!gger joe or something. It's all about context and i think it has gone a bit too far when people think white people can't say it in proper context.

You call it a power trip, but i would say that black people just don't want white people to throw around a word they created to hurt black people in the past. America treated blacks horrifically and they ask that we don't throw around a racist term. I think that's perfectly understandable. White people inherited the wealth and power, and still get upset they can't use the one word black people don't want them tp use..

However, I think we should be more open to context and meaning, rather than looking to cancel.

Louis is Mexican. some Mexicans get a pass. Look at Tekashi 69.

It's not about getting away with anything...


When Cramer screamed he's a n**** look a n***

VS Louis ck or bill or tekashi or any other ethnicity using the word.


Thebreal problem is with people who need technicalities and pretend they're just so dumbfounded, they just can't make a modicum of differentiation between how the words are used.

Secondly, in using the n word as a term of endearment or brotherhood or togetherness or whatever, since I don't need technicalities for anything, I'll say that in the name of equality it's really ass backwards to have one group of people allowed to say a word over other groups whom aren't.

It's not crazy to say this. It is crazy pretending were mentalists and are just clueless of how the word is used when it comes to different races.

a reply to: Hecate666

Is that how much you really don't care...

a reply to: galaga

Or BReal from Cypress Hill, though I have to say, when I seen Cypress Hill last year , he'd changed up 'n-word' to something else in a bunch of his verses. or Rage Against the Machine

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

In U.S.A. you have the right to say the "N" word as often as you like. Now if some black dude takes offense and woops your ass, well you should be careful who you call the "n" word.

originally posted by: cognizant420
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

In U.S.A. you have the right to say the "N" word as often as you like. Now if some black dude takes offense and woops your ass, well you should be careful who you call the "n" word.

I've never felt comfortable with the word in public. But in private, that's a whole other story.