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Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

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posted on Aug, 25 2023 @ 10:27 AM
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The US also has a huge population, a quarter of a billion people, besides the above explanations of why they have the vast majority of abduction claims.

Another point of interest is this:

Do the foreign abduction cases have, as in the US, primarily a description of alien greys as the abductors?

These are the kinds of questions a scientific survey should answer.

Credit to Vallee and John Keel, who, even with meager resources, tried to answer.



posted on Aug, 25 2023 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: introufo

The ratio of reported abductions per million of the [current] population spread across 125 years shows The USA ahead with close to 10 reports per million.Canada was next with around 6 per million and every other country in the world around 2 per million and less. Most are way below 1. With countries like Nigeria (population 220m+) with no reports at all.

See graph here



Do the foreign abduction cases have, as in the US, primarily a description of alien greys as the abductors?


Yes but that's probably because of the spread of sci-fi and TV and then the internet feeding into a global subconscious.

There are very few reports of a 'grey' alien until Close Encounters of the Third Kind was released in 1977/8 and especially after the X-Files in the early 90s. In fact, many cases prior to the 1980s involved human or humanoid like aliens or monsters!

The most famous "abduction" case in the UK is the 1980 Policeman Alan Godfrey Story. Godfrey didn't consciously recall seeing anything beyond a UFO hovering over a road. But under hypnosis (which is known to be unreliable) reported being in a room with a strange humanoid called Yosef.

Aliens remained out of sight completely in the 1978 Fred Valentich case from Australia. Or going back a very long way, the 1957 Vilas Boas case in Brazil the aliens were humanoid. Although JV has claimed this was a CIA operation not aliens.

There are also cases of "Michelin Man" type aliens reported in the 60s/70s on Réunion Island in the Indian Ocean.

I am probably taking this thread way off topic here as well.




posted on Aug, 25 2023 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Thanks for that





There are very few reports of a 'grey' alien until Close Encounters of the Third Kind was released in 1977/8 and especially after the X-Files in the early 90s. In fact, many cases prior to the 1980s involved human or humanoid like aliens or monsters!


That is the thing that exposes this as possibly some kind of psychological programming in general through media or IC psych programming and media manipulation, too.



Aliens remained out of sight completely in the 1978 Fred Valentich case from Australia. Or going back a very long way, the 1957 Vilas Boas case in Brazil the aliens were humanoid. Although JV has claimed this was a CIA operation not aliens.


I agree that Vilas Boas case event may be a phony, or we have some strange things around we don't know much about.



posted on Aug, 25 2023 @ 07:38 PM
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Probably in African countries, such as Nigeria, the phenomenon of abduction is interpreted in a different way
Credo Mutwa was talking about this topic ...
So everyone sees a different abductor according to their own culture?
I think so… like keel, vallee, sider… semivan
There is something that has been deceiving us for a very long time
And I think (my speculation) that the Dimethyltryptamine is used


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posted on Aug, 26 2023 @ 05:29 AM
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Yes, as already discussed, cultural factors will play a part, for sure. In more Draconian nations like Saudi Arabia and China you wouldn't expect people to report anything at all for fear of repercussions. But the world's biggest democracy, India also has very few abduction reports and virtually no cattle mutilation reports (despite the world's largest cattle population). As ever trying to lump all reports together will not give an answer because there is no single answer to what amounts to individual experiences.



posted on Aug, 26 2023 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: mirageman

Yes, as already discussed, cultural factors will play a part, for sure. In more Draconian nations like Saudi Arabia and China you wouldn't expect people to report anything at all for fear of repercussions. But the world's biggest democracy, India also has very few abduction reports and virtually no cattle mutilation reports (despite the world's largest cattle population). As ever trying to lump all reports together will not give an answer because there is no single answer to what amounts to individual experiences.

Some research demonstrates the similarity between NDEs and abductions. In that case the Indian percentages could also go up…
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posted on Sep, 12 2023 @ 03:14 AM
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Sort of related and posted in this thread because we previously covered Jack Sarfatti-

Here's a recent paper for a weird fusion reactor (confusingly called WARP) from LLNL by a credible PhD which cites ole' Jack no less than 5 times....

Seems to have at least one admirer in terms of his "S"- Sarfatti Scalar Field (?) Spacetime metric phase change and his calculations on plasma metamaterial affects.

Jack admits in one of the papers cited: www.academia.edu... that the article in 2017 by Leslie Kean spurred him onto reviewing his earlier work (done decades before for DOD/CIA) on how flying saucers work...

(I sense a bit of protectionism here as it is hard to believe Jack read Kean's article - but didnt read anything from Justice, Puthoff or Pais who were all seemingly hinting at physics Jack reincorporated into his earlier work.
It's also worth pointing out that none of Pais, Puthoff or Justice came up with the theories they were espousing at the time.)


As the self aggrandizing, Jack-centric story goes- this then led to Jack identifying an inconsistency in GR which - when combined with his previous childhood chats with futuristic NHI's with metallic voices- led to his current insights.


Imagine some future science historian trying to wrap their head round that origin story if it turns out his suspicions are correct (or even correct-ish).


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posted on Sep, 12 2023 @ 03:31 AM
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I keep up with all things Jack Jukie. He does get very wild at times though. Still....




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posted on Sep, 25 2023 @ 06:21 PM
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Hey bro apparently it's all coming to a head.

This is where they are going with all the deceived young people.

UFO Research Is Only Harmed by Antigovernment Rhetoric

Whilst all the while destroying access to FOIA UFO requests.

No wonder they are completely ignoring everything from the past mate.

There's a definite school of thought that the British (thanks to climate and the idiot box) are the most indoctrinated people on the planet.

Present company excluded lol.



posted on Sep, 26 2023 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: mirageman

Hey bro apparently it's all coming to a head.

This is where they are going with all the deceived young people.

UFO Research Is Only Harmed by Antigovernment Rhetoric

...Whilst all the while destroying access to FOIA UFO requests.

...No wonder they are completely ignoring everything from the past mate.



Precisely, Karl. As your referenced article puts forward:

"For decades, the federal government and intelligence agencies have escalated public information sharing—but this has not produced a shared understanding of facts and events ranging from the attacks on 9/11 to the origins of COVID-19. Instead, intelligence agencies have found themselves under public attack and their findings dismissed. If it happens again, it could not only diminish morale among those working on UAPs, but also decrease governmental willingness to share information."

If it "could" happen again? Don't make me choke on my crumpet. That's the PLAN, fools!

The objective is now, always has been, and always will be, to "...decrease governmental willingness to share information". By sowing distrust in the process, distrust in the purveyors, the objective is met: continued silence and obfuscation (or, funnel as much as possible to Bigelow-types in the private sector- and away from prying FOIA eyes and pesky 'reporters' and other 'curious inquirers'.)

The grooming and selection of 'enthusiast cum Pied-Piper, T. De Short, is part of the same plan.

Ahhh, yes... everything is proceeding according to plan. Carry on, lemmings...


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posted on Sep, 27 2023 @ 03:43 AM
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It says...


...If UAP information gets caught up in debates over antigovernment conspiracies, that’ll put the entire area of research—and the movement to make data more transparent—at risk.


A bit late for that one isn't it?

There is a wider world beyond the UFO topic. One where we still don't have full clarity over a Presidential Assassination that occurred 60 years ago. MKUltra, Project Sunshine, Tuskegee experiments, Watergate, Iran/Contra, WMD in Iraq and many other topics have sowed the seeds of doubt for so long. Add to that how certain politicians use (or abuse) their positions for their own personal benefit. There's a certain parallel there with former military types and UAP work today.

What's that old saying about power and corruption?



posted on Sep, 27 2023 @ 12:44 PM
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The US government itself has helped create a conspiracy theory environment.
But UFOs has its own particular government mischief pedigree—still going on strong IMO.

By the way, This is a good recent book about all of the UFO crazies, including the government...Definitely traces from the beginning --Roswell all the way to TTSA.
Great for a newcomer to ufology... Maybe you old-timers know most of this. I rarely recommend books, but this one IMO is a good one.
He goes off into other conspiracy things a bit but mainly sticks to what the cover says.

Saucers, Spooks and Kooks: UFO Disinformation in the Age of Aquarius Paperback – February 3, 2021
by Adam Gorightly (Author)

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posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Outrageo

Thought that was a great reply right there mate, pretty much spot on - don't like linking my own threads but regarding your 'chart' some of the official UFO explanations have been very silly indeed (some would say 'criminally contrived falsehoods').

As for government funneling as much info as possible into the private sector I suppose that could also apply to money.


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posted on Sep, 29 2023 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman

A bit late for that one isn't it?

There is a wider world beyond the UFO topic. One where we still don't have full clarity over a Presidential Assassination that occurred 60 years ago. MKUltra, Project Sunshine, Tuskegee experiments, Watergate, Iran/Contra, WMD in Iraq and many other topics have sowed the seeds of doubt for so long. Add to that how certain politicians use (or abuse) their positions for their own personal benefit. There's a certain parallel there with former military types and UAP work today.




The UFO Gov donkey has definitely bolted my friend.. although maybe not for the new upcoming 'five second attention span' generation they're currently engineering (hopefully us oldies will all die off soon and stop asking pertinent questions lol).

Once again don't like linking threads but in direct response to your post there are loads (and loads) of examples here (how can you trust untrustworthy people?) - think my personal favourite is the JCS suggesting that flying planes into buildings to necessitate societal change is a fantastic idea (pre 911).

Cheers mate.


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posted on Oct, 2 2023 @ 03:39 AM
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Posting here as we already discussed Pais/Puthoff in this thread

Recent Pais interview with Ventura



Just cant work him out.....again mentions this "secret" frequency where you can accelerate/vibrate none equilibrium plasma to achieve high energy densities to then polarise space.
As far as my Googling can decipher- this is entirely theoretical (due to the astronomical energy densities required to break the Schwinger limit)- so why does he dance around it like it's classified information which he is potentially NDA'd on?


Also seems to respond with a knowing acknowledgement when the "TR3B" is brought up by Ventura- but then acts like any discussion of Aerospace applications is off limits - which is weird given the "entirely hypothetical" nature of his claims.



posted on Oct, 2 2023 @ 11:58 AM
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Looking more and more like all this recent Senate BS is just a well crafted deception operation to drastically increase 'lack of transparency'.


Black Vault Update:



But in a surprising turn, during the appellate review, the DoD introduced even more exemptions not cited in the original FOIA denial.

DoD Amplifies UFO Secrecy Yet Again: Additional Exemptions Reinforce “Law Enforcement” Claim



I bet they are laughing their heads off.



posted on Oct, 3 2023 @ 03:53 PM
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None of this as I always believed is going to produce any real disclosure. If anything, it’s another besmirch UFOlogy psyop coming still from the 70-year-old Robertson panel! And they're doing a damn good job if you judge all the hoaxes and ufo folly that has gone on since this so-called disclosure effort by the US government.




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