Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

mm, and KPB, sometimes we can finish each other's thoughts in some regard.

On this topic of JV and related matters…definitely.


People also need to know John Keel, who I think is the greatest UFOLogist of all times, himself was an IC guy….So he claimed. Army Intel


Its inescapable in US ufology UFOlogy=IC connections

a reply to: mirageman

If all those years ago, I had known that it was even possible that JV might have written the software, I'd have leaned on him, and he would have gotten angry. But I wouldn't have known if it was angry because he was involved, or angry that someone could think he had been involved.

He certainly looked a bit sad when the topic of Bennewitz came up, but he didn't look guilty. But of course that means nothing.

It's an awful thing, what was done to Bennewitz. It was an aweful thing that happened to that CIA '___' researcher. It was an awful thing what happened to Marconi Scientists. All these awful thing.

But you know what's more awful?

That the UFO disinformation is so thick, so pervasive, and other forms of 'fake news' are so powerful, that no less than 48% of the united states is flat out insane.. and possibly the other half of the other 52% as well.

We live in the post factual era.

a reply to: Willtell

The rest of the world should boycott USA UFO researchers and infotainers in that case. Yes, there are a few good folks in the USA who have not sold out, or let their brains turn to jelly.. but not that many.

UFOlogy is the systemic deception put forward by the USG, systemic misperception and misidentification, plus a little bit of unknown science (often appearing as 'the occult').

That's what I used to say, when I was a UFOlogist.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Willtell

Young JV - awesome.

Modern day JV - comment withheld.

Perhaps such a trajectory is inevitable, since inspiration, imagination and creativity are often seen as being most powerful whilst we're under the age of 30.

The same applies to music as well as science - eg, Elton John could never again compose the same quality of music he presented as a 20-something. The same applies to Paul McCartney, Richards & Jagger, Stevie Wonder, etc. And is it any wonder that Mozart reached a musical peak at the age of 8?

In film, why, for example, has Spielberg never since shown the same amount of creative energy displayed by 'Duel' (1971), 'Jaws' (1975), 'Close Encounters...' (1977) and 'Raiders...' (1981)? Why does he now regret having Roy Neary abandon his repugnant family at the end of 'Close Encounters'? Why did he later digitally remove the guns from 'E.T.' (1982)?

Did he simply become a comfortably numbed wuss?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Yeah!

And Lucas! Look what he did!

Of course, there is Jagger, et. al.

a reply to: Willtell

I think there's also a trail from back in that time period (early 80s) to what TTSA are up to now. A lot of people are being played for fools.

a reply to: mirageman

The 'big lie' that is being told, is that if you are 'one of the chosen ones' (an insider), that if you keep worshipping at the alter of UFOlogy, spiritualism, religion, the occult (all the exact same thing), that eventually one tiny bit of truth of something grand and glorious and personally 'saving' as in personal and human salvation will come around, and kiss your boo boos and make everything better.

That's the great lie.

And to date, nothing like that has ever come out.

But still, the same old tired carrot is put on a stick in front of the donkey.

Kev

JV didn’t like guys like Bennewitz. He didn’t like Bill Cooper either and the conspiratorial, spooky guys unless they were in his inner circle of US IC guys.



The IC is and has been all over ufology like flies on ____

a reply to: mirageman

What's interesting to me is that they know this.

But the new generation doesn't know about the history so I guess they figure they can easily bamboozle them.

But the thing is, I believe this TTSA op is about gathering information that proves ufology is dead...they want to fail.

a reply to: Willtell

That's the thing I don't understand.

How someone could say, "Well - i don't trust THOSE OTHER intel guys",
but I trust "MY" intel guys.

I think that's self-deception.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The technical term(s) are confirmation bias and/or cognitive dissonance.

a reply to: Willtell

Personally?

I think that TDL proved what an excellent useful idiot he could be.. he ran up to the nest of lying vipers and BEGGED to be used and deceived.

Yes, when you get a big pool of crazy, you attract all sorts of fringe thinkers. Hell 25 years ago I nearly worked with Joe Firmage. It can happen to almost anybody.

But at it's heart, I have NEVER believed that TTSA was EVER about 'ufology'.

That was just the bait, to attract unstable minds.

a reply to: Phage

yes, sir.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I have NEVER believed that TTSA was EVER about 'ufology'.

I think it has something to do with ufology. But nothing to do with resolving its mysteries.

a reply to: mirageman

Well, Dr. Davis wanted free government money to work on his Star Drive.
Perhaps Puthoff is still a scientologist and wants to prove it somehow.
The one fellow I got to know a bit other than JV, wanted to prove 'Kundalini' was deeply involved with 'UFOlogy'.
Of course TDL seems to have been a genuine UFO believer (a useful stooge).

I'm not saying that there wasn't an element of UFOLogy in there, but I guess I should have been more precise; i've never believed it was the primary mission so to speak.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yeah, TDL definitely is transparent. And ss I said many times, he was passed around to the various IC groups that do psych ops in ufology to see which one wanted to use or abuse him. So, he thought that going around meeting the spooks here and there was proof he had hit pay dirt. No, it's evidence he was a pawn in their ongoing( as I see it) psychological operations on ufology.

I can't say which group chose him, maybe the obvious one: the CIA. But you never know, this may be a military IC operation or a combined one.

a reply to: Willtell

The military industrial complex is the interesting one..

it's VERY useful to the USG, to put things 'too hot' for whatever reason, you know, human experimentation, MK Ultra type stuff, into a civilian company, to avoid all the government red tape, congressional oversight, etc.

A hot dog stand to the stars (HDSTTS) could promote itself in this manner quite easily.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Purely because it saddened me. On Joseph Rogan’s podcast show, Jacques Vallee endorsed Corso’s story and claims to have seen or been told the results of Roswell Wreckage in the 90s. Some kind of silicon matrix apparently.

a reply to: ctj83

Oh GEEZE.

Not ALICE from armageddon.co.uk / he who should not be named on ATS.

That just hurts.

A child can trace that meme right back to Russia and other places.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

Turns out thedebrief exclusive pic(s) were actually on Twitter since the 12th of May.....
twitter.com...

Just following that link and scrolling down there is mention of an article posted by Keith Basterfield (I think that was his name) that refers to a paper that has been written by Franc Milburn for Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies. Has this been discussed?

Mideast Security and Policy Studies Paper #183

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: In June 2020, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence unveiled the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF) at the Office of Naval Intelligence—a successor to the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). This paper dives down the rabbit hole with Defense Department insiders, scientists, and declassified material to find answers to a host of questions: Are mystery craft near-peer adversary platforms or exotic US platforms? What is the technology behind them? What kind of threat do they pose? What are the geostrategic implications? And what are we not being told?

besacenter.org...

Crikey. It's quite the read, not new, just an unusual context to be reading it in.

My esophagus has ceased all ability to function.