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California: AB5 vs. Prop 22

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posted on Aug, 20 2020 @ 03:29 PM
This never was an issue when 1099's did Newspaper delivery, but go after a unionized racket (and win) and this is the fall out.

Assembly Bill 5 is an attempt to force rideshare app companies to classify their contractors as employees.

Pro: Better oversight, background checks, and being held to same standards as a taxi driver. It will increase driver survivability, benefits, allows them to unionize, and everyone skips down a candy cane road of democrat nepotism. (Sorry, that's my bias saying that.)

Con: limit total number of available drivers, need for scheduling, establishment of hourly pay, choking overhead expense (liability/benefits to drivers), need for training, and everything fleet drivers would typically go through in a unionized state.

Proposition 22 is sponsored by: Uber, Lyft, Doordash, Postmates, and Instacart, with the endorsement of several notable Law Enforcement groups in the State.

It seems like one of the few times Police and BLM support the same thing...


California Peace Officers Association
California Police Chiefs Association
California State Sheriffs' Association
Crime Victims United of California
Crime Survivors, Inc.
Crime Survivors Resource Center
Crime Survivors PAC
Fathers Against Drunk Driving

Some other endorsements:

California Urban Partnership
Black American Political Association California – Sacramento Chapter
Black Lives Matter Sacramento
Black Women Organized for Political Action
Compton Branch NAACP (as well as many other branches)
Life Matters, inc.
National Diversity Coalition

The law supersedes AB5 and establishes The gig economy alongside all other independent contractors.



You're not an employee. You are using an App based program, like all other "play games, earn money" type set-up, and these companies are technically a technology proprietor. The service is the platform itself, and (imo) said companies are only responsible for the smooth operation of that app and insuring those using it.

People like deciding when to "go online", people like freedom. This idea was a pure form of laissez faire capitalism that did not limit the amount one could take in.

It killed cab companies, bankrupted the banks that specialized in Medallion Loans, and made every rude jackass that makes you sit in their smelly unairconditioned Prius with the windows cracked only enough to be unconfortable take a hit.

* Granted you may still get a Prius and a rude driver on Uber, but if they are, 1 Star, and an ability to complain if it is bad enough. Riders have oversight and the ability to chose the type of car they want.

They lost because their model was authoritative and rude to its customer base. And should AB5 win out over Prop 22 you can be assured DUI's will spike immediately because the service of the cabs is why no one likes being in some rude cabbie's car. Not to mention it would no longer be a "cheaper better alternative".

As of now The Appeals Court is doing what it does best:

Rant complete.

- A User of The Uber Technologies App.
edit on 20-8-2020 by Degradation33 because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 20 2020 @ 03:43 PM
a reply to: Degradation33

Well, leave it to California...

This will just speed up the self driving car takeover.

posted on Aug, 20 2020 @ 04:05 PM
a reply to: Degradation33

Uber and Lyft both already made statements saying if AB5 passes, they will cease operations in Kalifornia.

Over 500,000 people drive for the two companies combined in Kali, so this bill passes, over 1/2 a million people there will lose their main/secondary income source literally overnight.

Democrat policies at their finest...SMH

posted on Aug, 20 2020 @ 05:08 PM
They were both ceasing business at midnight but just got a Stay.

posted on Aug, 20 2020 @ 10:19 PM
AB5 also inadvertently killed freelance journalism /writers in California.

This type of legislation is why liberals shouldn't be making laws regulating business. They have no idea how it works or how to predict and understand how the market will react to their emotional regulations. Almost always the consumer suffers.

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