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Out of 68 healthy donors who had been tested for prior exposure to SARS-CoV-2 and who were found to be negative, 24 of them had a small number of T cells in their blood that reacted when exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein—a complex structure protruding from the virus’s exterior surface. The study, which was later published in Nature July 29, explains that the cells in question produced proteins on their surfaces, an indication of an immune response.
If that is indeed what’s going on here, one possible explanation would be that the healthy donors had been infected by another coronavirus relatively recently, perhaps one that causes a common cold, says coauthor Andreas Thiel, an immunologist at the Charité hospital, part of Universitätsmedizin Berlin. Besides more serious diseases such as COVID-19 and SARS, human coronaviruses have been known for decades to cause what are usually much milder infections. The specific viruses that cause these illnesses are found all around the world.
“Although these viruses are not very similar [to SARS-CoV-2], the low degree of similarity is of course sufficient that the immune system, at least partly, is cross-reacting, which is a very normal thing,” he says.
Flu vaccination is especially important for people 65 years and older because they are at high risk of developing serious complications from flu. Flu vaccines are updated each season as needed to keep up with changing viruses. Also, immunity wanes over a year so annual vaccination is needed to ensure the best possible protection against flu. A flu vaccine protects against the flu viruses that research indicates will be most common during the upcoming season.
originally posted by: EnigmaChaser
Crazy... we may have driven the world into a pandemic because we tried to stave off the flu - and put the most at-risk population into even more risk...
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: EnigmaChaser
Crazy... we may have driven the world into a pandemic because we tried to stave off the flu - and put the most at-risk population into even more risk...
That well could have a hand in how virulent is was/is for the elderly indeed. And this potential is the takeaway people need to sink in -- it's rather plausible we did this to our elderly. The road to hell and all, too bad no one learns from that "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" deal regarding disease eradication.
So in a way, the flu shot might be responsible for not allowing people's immune systems to fight off a Coronavirus at a lower level of severity - thus when they get a more aggressive strain - serious problems... and thus COVID's impact.
In Le Bert’s study, patients appeared to have retained reactive T cells for nearly two decades. She and her colleagues write in their report that this has potentially significant implications: that immunity acquired through, say, a vaccine could last for many months or years.
Worth a watch if you haven’t already heard of her in the news and instantly discredit her content due to previous ties with Faucci
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
So in a way, the flu shot might be responsible for not allowing people's immune systems to fight off a Coronavirus at a lower level of severity - thus when they get a more aggressive strain - serious problems... and thus COVID's impact.
Vaccines work by causing your immune system to develop defenses against the disease. They do not lower your immune response. Forget the fact that Influenza is not a coronavirus.
The article you cite does not suggest anything close to what you say but it does say this:
In Le Bert’s study, patients appeared to have retained reactive T cells for nearly two decades. She and her colleagues write in their report that this has potentially significant implications: that immunity acquired through, say, a vaccine could last for many months or years.
All Long-Term Care Facilities
Alabama law requires that “[a] long term care facility shall document the annual immunization against influenza virus and the immunization against pneumococcal disease for each resident.”58
In New Jersey, long-term care facilities must “document evidence of annual vaccination against influenza for each resident.”59
All Patients
Thirty-two states have flu vaccination laws for all patients.62
Arkansas requires nursing homes to “[d]ocument and report annually immunizations against . . . nfluenza virus for residents.”63
Delaware law requires nursing facilities to “have on file evidence of annual vaccination against influenza for all residents.”64
Patients Aged 65 Years or Older
Two states have flu vaccination laws for patients aged 65 years or older.65
Under California law, healthcare facilities, including nursing facilities, “shall offer . . . immunizations for influenza and pneumococcal disease to residents, aged 65 years or older, receiving services at the facility.”66
In Texas, nursing homes must “offer . . . influenza vaccine to elderly residents,”67 defined as those aged 65 years or older.68
Vaccination in Nursing Homes
It's important for nursing home residents and staff to get flu and pneumonia vaccines.
In response to this pattern, many health care providers and institutions launch campaigns beginning shortly after the back-to-school sales have ended to get more people vaccinated. This vaccination effort includes those living in nurisng homes. And for good reason – flu and pneumonia are dangerous illnesses. But they can be prevented or mitigated with widely available vaccines.
originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
One more time. It isn't the hard fought for science I don't
trust. So saying that to call me out is just stupid. And I'd
have to be stupid enough to ever get a flu shot or vaccine.
Because of all the influence involved between the science
and the person. I would rather have nature take it's course.
You don't like it I don't give a crap.
People who receive flu vaccines year after year can sometimes show reduced protection, an effect that Canadian infectious disease specialists say muddies public health messages for annual flu vaccine campaigns.
During the 2009 H1N1 pandemic, researchers at the B.C. Centre for Disease Control originally thought seasonal flu shots from 2008 might offer extra protection against the new pandemic strain. They were puzzled to find instead, seasonal flu vaccination almost doubled the risk of infection with pandemic flu.
So, vaccinations work, less so if you've had prior vaccinations.
Regardless of previous vaccination history, flu shots did protect against flu infections requiring medical care, Huong McLean of the Marshfield Clinic Research Foundation and her colleagues concluded in a September online issue of the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases. Protection was greatest among those who weren’t vaccinated previously.
Nope... don't want to be a Guinea pig
"I think it's reasonable that currently the recommendation is to continue, for instance, especially for people who are at high risk, immediate risk of hospitalization or death … For these people, there is a clear and present and real threat that they need to deal with and vaccine is the best way," Skowronski said.
Lastly, don't just read an article, quote it and make a statement.
What pattern? You know that COVID-19 is new, right? Are you saying that the pandemic was caused by some sort of "tipping point" in the number of vaccinations? Just lurking, and waiting?
Riddle me this... how is it that I can pull up flu vaccination rates, overlay that on COVID cases, and note an interesting "ah ha" that seems to be a consistent pattern...
Yeah. It's known that old people tend to get hit much harder by the disease. Now, how about kids? Don't they get flu shots?
New Jersey and Alabama requite flu shots for LTC facility patients - where do we have the most COVID deaths? Nursing homes!:
Maybe there's some there, there - maybe there isn't. In this case, it's highly interesting.
I can find no mention of such a claim. Perhaps you misunderstood the point. If you do catch the flu, it can mess up your lungs. If you then catch COVID-19, that would be bad. COVID-19 with a comorbidity factor is more dangerous.
I heard on the news today that those who get regular flu vaccines are more immune to COVID-19 and if they get it, may get a milder version of it.
So saying that to call me out is just stupid.
originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: EnigmaChaser
I'm in the right thread but I'm in the wrong world.
So saying that to call me out is just stupid.
Not directed at you personally but in general terms.
Sorry for the confusion amigo.