SCHOOLS - Studies Confirm that Children RARELY Pass Covid-19 to Adults or to Each Other.

Tuesday, August 4, 2020

Many parents, teachers, and school employees are concerned that opening public schools for IN-PERSON instruction, will place them at higher risk of contracting the Covid-19 virus, due to being exposed to so many schoolchildren carrying Covid-19, but (probably) not displaying any symptoms (asymptomatic).

THE GOOD NEWS:

"Contact tracing" of students in countries where school has already re-started, confirms that infected children RARELY spread Covid-19 to adults! Children spread colds and flus to adults and each other, easier than they do Covid-19.

A commentary published in the journal Pediatrics, the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, concludes that children infrequently transmit Covid-19 to each other, or to adults.

And that schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

The authors, Benjamin Lee, M.D. and William V. Raszka, Jr., M.D., are both pediatric infectious disease specialists on the faculty of the University of Vermont's Larner College of Medicine. Dr. Raszka is an associate editor of Pediatrics.

Specific case studies are at: www.sciencedaily.com...

When available, it is always best to base decisions on REAL LIFE experiences, rather than to rely on hearsay, models, theories and beliefs.

Hopefully the National Education Association (NEA) will share these real-world examples with all Teachers, School Workers, and Parents of Students, as quickly as possible.

From what I hear in the news, and during personal conversations, lots of parents and school employees are very concerned and/or afraid.
This good news will be a HUGE RELIEF to most of them!

-CareWeMust

a reply to: carewemust


From the "commentary":

In the new Pediatrics study, Klara M. Posfay-Barbe, M.D., a faculty member at University of Geneva's medical school, and her colleagues studied the households of 39 Swiss children infected with Covid-19.

That's not a very large sample.

On the other hand,

The Coronavirus Infected Hundreds at a Georgia Summer Camp

www.nytimes.com...

And that schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

This, to me, is the key statement. Also, do they clarify what age range is considered a "child"? I couldn't find it in the article and I, admittedly, did not look at the study the article was based on.

a reply to: Phage
That's why I said the findings would be a huge relief to "most" people. There are always those who look for the dark clouds. That's human nature.

originally posted by: bigsnowman

And that schools, provided they follow appropriate social distancing guidelines and take into account rates of transmission in their community, can and should reopen in the fall.

This, to me, is the key statement. Also, do they clarify what age range is considered a "child"? I couldn't find it in the article and I, admittedly, did not look at the study the article was based on.

Maybe up to the point of puberty is a "child"?

a reply to: carewemust

Yeah.
Too bad it didn't just disappear before Easter.
Too bad it didn't just disappear when summer came.

So, let's just open up everything because flawed studies say that everything is fine and dandy.

Good plan.

www.forbes.com...

Two new studies, though from different parts of the world, have arrived at the same conclusion: that young children not only transmit SARS-CoV-2 efficiently, but may be major drivers of the pandemic as well.

The first, which was published in JAMA yesterday, reports findings from a pediatric hospital in Chicago, Illinois. The second, a preprint manuscript awaiting peer review, was conducted in the mountainous province of Trento, Italy.

And a newer article says the opposite.....

They’re still figuring this out....

originally posted by: snowspirit
www.forbes.com...

Two new studies, though from different parts of the world, have arrived at the same conclusion: that young children not only transmit SARS-CoV-2 efficiently, but may be major drivers of the pandemic as well.

The first, which was published in JAMA yesterday, reports findings from a pediatric hospital in Chicago, Illinois. The second, a preprint manuscript awaiting peer review, was conducted in the mountainous province of Trento, Italy.

And a newer article says the opposite.....

They’re still figuring this out....

Yep, were getting similar reports here in OZ, there's little doubt kids are both carriers and spreaders.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Phage
That's why I said the findings would be a huge relief to "most" people. There are always those who look for the dark clouds. That's human nature.

As I said once before....How much risk are you willing to take.


www.wired.com...

a reply to: carewemust

Its because its a bad gut bacteria and they are young with small uninfected bodies....that fewer are being impacted in major ways...they do not normally carry large enough insitu populations to be overwhelmed by a migration of Pleomorphic Bacteria from belly to blood....but yes they can pass the "viral sized living bacteria cold version" to others.

Kids and adults get the bad gut bacteria form via our foodchain over time depending on what we eat.Normally the older you are the more negative exposure potentials you have had and the higher the risk factor for a complicated fight with this little bug.

It usually takes a long time to build up an insitu population of this bad gut bacteria that is big enough to drop you like a bad habit....normally older people harbor larger insitu populations and Seniors and People on Medications are at a MUCH MUCH higher risk of having Hyper-Active growth and sudden population explosions...because the Meds impact the acidity and alkaliniity levels of the body and this is a major part of the bugs survival and ability to thrive....it needs an unbalanced ill body to thrive inside of......you may look good on the outside but its whats inside that counts.

For Kids small amounts permitted by their Doctors of Apple Cider Vinegar with the Mother or anything with lacto-bacteria in it like Saurkraut that is not cooked or KimChi that is not cooked this gives them enough good gut bacteria to beat down any of this bad gut bacteria they might already have.

Doesn't matter The President said open the schools so they will be closed. Michigan has a plan but Adolf will rule at the last minute to keep them closed.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

Yeah.
Too bad it didn't just disappear before Easter.
Too bad it didn't just disappear when summer came.

So, let's just open up everything because flawed studies say that everything is fine and dandy.

Good plan.

What the hell is wrong with me Phage? I'm been agreeing with most of your posts on this subject.

The CDC claimed that there is no evidence that children of a certain age carry and transmit the virus, but apparently there are no in depth studies confirming that one way or the other. In fact the CDC has said that the Georgia campground outbreak "seems" to have been caused by the children.

Researchers also said the findings are the latest in a growing body of evidence suggesting children of all ages are susceptible to the virus and may play “an important role” in its spread.

Link to Article

Coronavirus forces summer camps across America to close

Link to Article

Georgia camp outbreak shows rapid virus spread among children

Link to Article

Here is a quote from the article linked in the original post.

Rising cases among adults and children in Texas childcare facilities, which have seen 894 Covid-19 cases among staff members and 441 among children in 883 child care facilities across the state, have the potential to be misinterpreted, Dr. Raszka said. He has not studied the details of the outbreak.

Sounds like speculation on Dr. Raszka's part.

I think that opening schools for in person education should only be done where the infection rate is very low.

In areas that have a significant rate of infection, your going to have to open online.

Just my opinion.

Also, kids do not follow social distancing guidelines, they do not wear masks correctly, and they love to shout and sing. Good luck to the in person educators.

a reply to: Wildbob77

. . . .Good luck to the in person educators.

Let's not forget the rest of the staff and their families that get exposed when they come home.

a reply to: carewemust

O.K., first thing...really, sciencedaily? Like thats an independent source, free of agenda and entirely objective? Give me a break

Second thing, it doesnt even matter if its correct. The damage has been done and whether the schools open or not, from the reports I am hearing, something like between 70% to 30% of the families will continue with some form of alternative education choices. My local school district tooka poll of parents preferences and 70% report their kids wont be returning to the school house. In the nearby Metro area, the result is 50%. Much as I had thought, once families with kids who are "normal" and responsive became used to online learning, they will never come back to the public schools.

What this really means is that over the course of the coming school year, the public schools will, for the most part, centers of education for the special ed kids and the bullies on their way through the schools to prison pipeline.

If theres an upside to this it will be that the public schools will need far less money and taxpayers will see some relief.

I wonder if trump sending children back to school and at the same time Barron's private school will remain closed...will that help or hurt his campaign.



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opps, the Maryland gov. just said that private schools can open whenever they want.

www.usatoday.com...

My niece is a teacher for special needs kids. 30% Never logged into the system after being sent home. None have responded to whether they could drop the computer off to be updated. So 30% lost and it will be that way year after year.

And now for something completely different....Like I said, "how much risk are you willing to take with the lives of your kids and family members"

www.cbs46.com...

twitter.com...

And this post is even more evidence, as if any was needed, that fools will accept any stupid story that flies in the face of all basic reasoning and logic, so long as it supports their preferred narrative. Featuring greatest hits like “it will magically go away!”, “face masks don’t reduce the spread of airborne and droplet diseases”, and the ever famous “there is no virus, it’s all a hoax perpetrated by all the doctors, hospitals, morgues and nations of the world because nobody likes Drumpf”.

Preschool has been open for a while now in SF Bay Area. Some of the teachers I work with are going to have to quit because of the online education. They need to stay home to watch an instructor children rather than being able to work. Not saying that's a bad thing. But it definitely puts more need and it already very needy Society at this point. Hopefully these moms can maybe take on being a nanny or maybe one other child or something to keep their livelihood.

originally posted by: Wildbob77
I think that opening schools for in person education should only be done where the infection rate is very low.

In areas that have a significant rate of infection, your going to have to open online.

Just my opinion.

Also, kids do not follow social distancing guidelines, they do not wear masks correctly, and they love to shout and sing. Good luck to the in person educators.