Conservative Ammon Bundy Backs Black lives matter.,

Conservative Ammon Bundy Defends BLack Lives Matter, Defunds the Police.

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Like Wooow!! did not see that coming, after all I often used them in how intellectual hypocrisy , cause some folks to look at how one group is held up as model patriots while the other is put down as vile terrorist.
All I can say is , good on you Ammon good on you.

Maybe we should all join the protests.

Steer them in the right direction.

a reply to: Spider879

I don't see how this is a surprise to anybody except for people that assume he's a racist because of his appearance and cowboy image. He's clearly been against the police for a long time and has made it no secret.

This is yet another attempt to get conservatives to react emotionally. It's the only reason this is in the news, and has been, since he first voiced support for BLM. Nobody on the left really cared about him unless he was camping in a national park building illegally.

a reply to: Ksihkehe
Not his supposed racism, him being a Conservative especially folks who generally support him and his family, you're not gonna convince me that many of his supporters and detractors are not surprised.
I mean it should not be, but that's the way it is.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Ksihkehe
Not his supposed racism, him being a Conservative especially folks who generally support him and his family, you're not gonna convince me that many of his supporters and detractors are not surprised.
I mean it should not be, but that's the way it is.

I don't want to convince you because I'm sure you're correct. There are plenty that are surprised, but they shouldn't be. He's a libertarian and not a conservative. I don't believe he's stated anywhere that he agrees with rioting and murders, which is the only problem most people have with BLM. He's had standoffs with law enforcement. It's pretty obvious where he stands.

In the previous thread it's clear he draws a line between BLM as an organization and the average people who support the cause. He supports defunding police, but not the socialist agenda. He also supports immigration across the southern border for those seeking asylum. He seems pretty consistent on libertarian views on the surface.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Ksihkehe
Not his supposed racism, him being a Conservative especially folks who generally support him and his family, you're not gonna convince me that many of his supporters and detractors are not surprised.
I mean it should not be, but that's the way it is.

I don't want to convince you because I'm sure you're correct. There are plenty that are surprised, but they shouldn't be. He's a libertarian and not a conservative. I don't believe he's stated anywhere that he agrees with rioting and murders, which is the only problem most people have with BLM. He's had standoffs with law enforcement. It's pretty obvious where he stands.

In the previous thread it's clear he draws a line between BLM as an organization and the average people who support the cause. He supports defunding police, but not the socialist agenda. He also supports immigration across the southern border for those seeking asylum. He seems pretty consistent on libertarian views on the surface.

And the rank and file BLM supporters, isn't down with riots / looting some of which is done by infiltrators to deflect from what the majority of folks is protesting about, and let's not forget ,alleged supporters from his group got into a fire fight with LEOs killing two in Las Vegas..should that be pinned on the group as a whole??.. I think not.

The man and woman said to have shot and killed two police officers and a third person in Las Vegas Sunday bragged that they had been involved in the recent standoff with the federal government at Cliven Bundy’s Nevada ranch, neighbors of the pair have told local Nevada papers. 
www.msnbc.com...

And off course they are not gonna see eye to eye with most things BLM stands for, I can accept that but there are intersectionality which can be worked on.

a reply to: Spider879

Hes not conservative. Hes libertarian. Sometimes he agrees with the left, sometimes the right...sometimes neither.

a reply to: Spider879

Seeing the protesters push back on antifa the last couple nights is promising

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Spider879

Seeing the protesters push back on antifa the last couple nights is promising

I'm gonna be totally honest here, I'm not sure who are what Antifa is, I often think they are linked to what we used to call Anarchists, who didn't see a protest they didn't like, and live to smash glass but I could be mistaken,
Antifa as far as I can tell live to troll Neo Nazis and the like.
Ooh btw never knew a similar thread was started on the subject already.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Ksihkehe
Not his supposed racism, him being a Conservative especially folks who generally support him and his family, you're not gonna convince me that many of his supporters and detractors are not surprised.
I mean it should not be, but that's the way it is.

I don't want to convince you because I'm sure you're correct. There are plenty that are surprised, but they shouldn't be. He's a libertarian and not a conservative. I don't believe he's stated anywhere that he agrees with rioting and murders, which is the only problem most people have with BLM. He's had standoffs with law enforcement. It's pretty obvious where he stands.

In the previous thread it's clear he draws a line between BLM as an organization and the average people who support the cause. He supports defunding police, but not the socialist agenda. He also supports immigration across the southern border for those seeking asylum. He seems pretty consistent on libertarian views on the surface.

And the rank and file BLM supporters, isn't down with riots / looting some of which is done by infiltrators to deflect from what the majority of folks is protesting about, and let's not forget ,alleged supporters from his group got into a fire fight with LEOs killing two in Las Vegas..should that be pinned on the group as a whole??.. I think not.

The man and woman said to have shot and killed two police officers and a third person in Las Vegas Sunday bragged that they had been involved in the recent standoff with the federal government at Cliven Bundy’s Nevada ranch, neighbors of the pair have told local Nevada papers. 
www.msnbc.com...

And off course they are not gonna see eye to eye with most thing BLM stands for, I can accept that but there are intersectionality which can be worked on.

I don't see what the people shooting cops has to do with anything I said.

It seems like you want me to argue about something. I only stated details of the topic to clarify. I never said I was against the right to protest or believed everybody in BLM is rioting. If you're looking for me to offer support/defense for Bundy or BLM I hope you brought sandwiches because it'll be a really long wait. I've never been a fan of either.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Spider879

Hes not conservative. Hes libertarian. Sometimes he agrees with the left, sometimes the right...sometimes neither.

So then, that makes him savi enough not to be fooled by the propoganda and choose a team that has been endorsed by the propoganda box.

a reply to: Spider879

Yeah. Anarchists who pretend they have a higher calling.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

He chooses any side against BATF. And believes in live and let live. Thats the motivating factor.

Don't try to make it what its not. You play in a different sandbox than Bundy.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

He chooses any side against BATF. And believes in live and let live. Thats the motivating factor.

Don't try to make it what its not. You play in a different sandbox than Bundy.

What makes you an authority on what other people think ?

a reply to: Spider879

I don't believe he's stated anywhere that he agrees with rioting and murders, which is the only problem most people have with BLM

It's not about what you personally think or support or don't, but the believe held by many whom you pointed out,that's what I'm responding to.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Hes stated hes libertarian. Im making an educated guess based on being one myself.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Spider879

I don't believe he's stated anywhere that he agrees with rioting and murders, which is the only problem most people have with BLM

It's not about what you personally think or support or don't, but the believe held by many whom you pointed out,that's what I'm responding to.

Your OP is all about what you personally think about what some guy said.

I'm honestly puzzled about where you think you are trying to go with this besides just trolling.

a reply to: Spider879

If I recall correctly, Ammon and/or others invited BLM members to come to the refuge and talk about the Constitution and their Constitutional rights... or maybe it was the ranch. I do remember that the Bundy's et al had no problem with Black protests about police brutality. It was BLM that had a problem with crazy privileged White cowboys.

And the Bundy's never had widespread Republican/conservative support anyway. Nor did Republicans/conservatives condemn the actions of the Feds before, during and after the occupation, the Deadman's Roadblock (RIP LaVoy Finicum), nor even when the judge had to throw out charges because of malfeasance by the prosecution. And that includes Trump, who allowed the persecution to continue on his watch.

ETA: I had to check if I was misremembering or not, and found these:

Black Oregon militiaman: Black Lives Matter can learn from occupiers

Brandon Dowd encourages more people to visit refuge and get schooled on constitutional rights – and insists he’s among a handful of non-white members

Occupation Supporters Try To Sway Broader Audience In Portland

PPN co-founder B.J. Soper spoke of the need for more collaboration and communication between protest groups. Gavin Seim's brother Nate Seim called on Black Lives Matter organizers and on Native American activists to work with the patriot movement.

"We're not separate, we're not divided. They're abusing the black community the same as they're abusing the patriots," Nate Seim said to a largely white crowd. "They're abusing the Indians and stealing their land exactly the same."

Those overtures were flatly rejected by Teressa Raiford, a leader of Portland's Black Lives Matter movement.

"Their flag is my nightmare," said Teressa Raiford. "What they stand for is not anything that I want anything to do with, ever."

Strange bedfellows indeed.

From where I sit, the ideological overlap between Bundy and BLM is pretty small, and it comes down to a proclivity for anti-authority behavior (note that I didn't say anti-authoritarian) behavior). They both are down to rage against the machine, but in support of causes that are so disconnected and incongruous as to not even qualify as tangential in any way.

Admittedly I don't follow Bundy at all, but from what little I've read, he seems to have a problem with a duly elected government setting aside parcels of land that neither his nor anybody else's cattle can graze on. BLM seems to have it in their mind that the police pick on black solely due to their skin color and no other reason. They're both on their own quest to "stick it to the man", but for entirely unrelated reasons.

I'm sure there are a number of members here that follow Bundy and agree with his political stance, and your point seems to be highlighting an inconsistency, where those supporting Bundy's irreverence and disregard for authority are hypocrites for not likewise supporting BLM's own push back against the law. I'd say on grounds of technique or approach for conveying their respective points, yes, it is a bit inconsistent to condone Bundy's behavior for menacing law enforcement, but then shy away from condoning BLM for doing the same. I can't speak for anybody else, but in my eyes they are both equal irritants and misguided in their respective endeavors and philosophical motivations.

Ammon Bundy isnt conservative.

He's a libertarian who believes in open borders.

He's also anti-Trump:

www.newsweek.com...

Seems to me like the Bundy's are political opportunists. They are ranch owners who benefit from illegal immigration in Nevada. This is not conservative. This is libertarian nonsense helping communists again.