Thoughts On Trump Reelection From Biden Supporter

This won't be what you are expecting. I am not like the others, and have never belonged.

It seems there us a legitimate effort (as much Kenneth Starr and his sodium stain in the 90's) to assure Trump loses his presidency.

You dont even have to like Trump to see that the outspoken "tell it like I see it" style that got him elected is being used to railroad him on nearly every move he makes. Under a microscope not even Obama's attempted capitalist/socialism hybrid (free healthcare provided by the cutthroat HMO) was subjected.

CNN has a vendetta. Fact checking him to oblivion like they really resent their reporting called into question.

As much as Fox News swung 2016, AT&T's CNN/Verizon's Huffington Post/Amazon's Washington Post/Comcast's CNBC & MSNBC are swinging this one.

Then you have civil unrest perpetuated by most assuredly those not of the Fox News demographic. And I don't even watch the flippin' channel. The polarizing is disconcerting.

If the non conservative media resents being called liberal they are not doing a tactful job of discrediting that claim, at all.

Beyond media, also against his reelection is seemingly every former still living President, and formal presidential nominee even of his own party, most notably the ever-faithful Mitt Romney and cowboy G.W. Bush.

For Those wanting "4 MORE YEARS!" the cards certainly seem stacked against him with only, "That's what they said last time!" in response.

Polls:

Real Clear Politics Poll Average.
States (electoral votes) [current RCP average]


Texas (38) [Trump +0.2]
Florida (29) [Biden +7.8]
Pennsylvania (20) [Biden +7.4]
Ohio (18) [Biden +1.5]
Georgia (16) [Trump +2.7]
North Carolina (15) [Biden +2]
Michigan (14)  [Biden +8.4]
Virginia (13) [Biden +11]
Arizona (11) [Biden +4]
Minnesota (10) [Biden +11.4]
Wisconsin (10) [Biden +6.4]

Trump needs to focus on the States in bold print.

Let go everything in the NFC North. Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan may still follow Ohio, but are currently lost, especially Minnesota, you're damn tootin'.

Though all those states are important, focus on the closer ones . It's harder to win Texas when The Bush Family publicly doesn't endorse you. Not impossible, but a harder road.

Florida and Pennsylvania are huge, and in large part swung against him due to BLM protests.

Unfortunately, anything Trump does suddenly in support of BLM will be called PR pandering (like his change in stance on masks), and he will get no breaks.

He also didn't help his current situation by calling fickle college kids (that will believe something completely different in 2 years) terrorists. Even rioters (which they are by definition) is replaced with "violent protesters".

Polarization only worked in 2016, when all he needed to do was tell the LGBTQ-22A gender reassignment revolution to sod off. The "liberal takeover" antidote position won the support of folks who delighted in seeing the left leaning millenials become dumbfounded on their very first election.

That card is not in play this time.

This election walks eggshells of the mindless social justice warrior sensitivities.

The First responders that were cheered for every night at 8PM all through April and into May, in an 8 minute blink of an eye, were turned to villains. Anger spread like the very virus that had sensitivities already unnerved.

To win re-election Trump must navigate a minefield seeking to demonize vitriolic people. Preconvict them for the crime of saying things that incite anger.

Freedom of speech isn't being taken away but selectively capitalized upon to demonize everything that doesn't sing kumbaya to the pitch of the current climate.

McCarthyism never ended. Blacklists for being communist, and the silly scapegoating therein morphed over the years, changing form until it became saying anything that [insert liberal image caption] would be offended by.

Unfortuneately, Trump is on that current blacklist.

Even if there was a major event for him to redeem himself with he would have to tread a fine line, so again, with his nature it is improbable.

His Twitter feed paints the picture of someone wearing their emotions on their sleeve. And like an emotional kid in high school it will be picked apart for exposing too much about his ego and frailties.

Too win he will have to nullify the ability of his detractors to use his own words against him. On pretty much anything he says. Perhaps cut the Twitter feed? Would that prevent this from being the election of spite it is?

Trump is a social sacrifice, regardless as to whether or not you agree with him, and even though I am for voting for Biden (for reasons of economy, foreign policy, and isolationism), the opposition to Trump is sickening, and endemic of a society still programmed to scapegoat and purge like it's the witch trials or inquisition.

Only the heretics we are burning this time are all the people that say mean or insensitive things.

And in this ultra-pacified culture of thin skinned "PC Babies" you can't have that anymore. Trump, as a leader of sorts, will be made a four year example of socities continued tendency to continuously lose their minds at social memes and persecute accordingly.

And to speak to that social meme sculpting the current social climate, I am not sure what is worse, How George Floyd was killed or how it has been deliberately provoked to destabilize the country that now spit on police like they are 22 year old Vietnam vets coming home to be called Baby Killers, because the war was unpopular after all.

Most Americans are not willing to put a person who has advancing Dementia in charge of our country's economy and military.

Not those of us who love our children and care about their future. It's a certainty that most Americans fall into that category.

a reply to: Degradation33

The polls will be the most unreliable yet.

People are afraid to admit they will vote for Trump when asked on the phone or by a pollster. If someone calls me, I will tell them I am voting 3rd party or something. I don't want to be on their hate list.

Great post Degradation33... 2 things it's a long way to November 3rd, and as distasteful as Trump 2.0 seems Biden or His VP and a Blue Congress is extremely distasteful going to be closer than you think and honestly that's the DNC's fault for propping up Biden as Presidential material. Biden makes Dukakis and Mondale look like Kennedy and FDR ...

a reply to: putnam6

Lol..

I wasn't old enough for Dukakis.

I could get into the several reasons (besides ones already mentioned) why I support Biden, but they are tax-laden big government spending programs that would detract from the point I am making about Trumps disadvantage.

That will be for a different thread. And in that one you can call me a big government spending Pinko that supports wacky things like paid 2yr college tuition, and elimination of Privatized prisons, mandatory minimum sentences, and support of National Cannabis legalization.

You know, the issues we should be all fighting about. As its supposed to be.

Wow. Talk about blind to recent history. Your OP sounds like you are trying to persuade the logic minded conservatives of this site.
Yawn...

originally posted by: infolurker

The polls will be the most unreliable yet.

People are afraid to admit they will vote for Trump when asked on the phone or by a pollster. If someone calls me, I will tell them I am voting 3rd party or something. I don't want to be on their hate list.

I don't see too many republicans saying they will now vote for Biden, but there is a good amount on the left saying they will vote Trump this time. Some big time You Tubers and other long time liberals are coming out as voting for Trump, but I would say the vast majority if moderate liberals would say right up and after election day they are for Biden, but pull the handle for Trump. Biden is going far left after 40 years and people see it, they see he is easily manipulated by the AOC crowd and don't like it. Police in general have always been liberal voting being a union, but they are all for Trump now, and that is a sign as to how once liberal people are shifting.

Even Joe Rogan a BIG Bernie supported is slamming Biden every which way, BUT he doesn't say he is voting Trump and most likely never will say it, but what do you think he will do in the election...lol

originally posted by: Degradation33
paid 2yr college tuition

I don't see anyone really for or against that...Obama/Biden didn't even see that on their radar after 8 years...I can see Trump do it though like his DACA of I'll see you 1.5 million and raise it to 2.6 million, but the dems wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole as they said that is our program you can't have it...lol

How about letting kids in dysfunctional zones go to a different/better school? That is called charter schools and school vouchers that the liberals have fought tooth and nail, why you ask? Well it is because it would pull money from the teacher unions and we can't have that even if it means a better life/chance for under privilege kids.

and elimination of Privatized prisons, mandatory minimum sentences...

Where have you been...Trump is hitting this hard, killed Biden's horrendous crime bill, and once again not something Obama/Biden touched for 8 years.

and support of National Cannabis legalization.

No matter who is in office the feds will not touch this until the majority of state make it legal, Biden will not touch it....It will happen as people in each state vote it legal then it will just go federal at some point... One would have thought Obama/Biden would have addressed this but they didn't...another ten foot pole thing.

So you get Biden with handlers that will be far left, if you got AOC's poster on your wall then all the power to you.

still a ways to go If peoples anger Trumps rants over the virus and the protesting and the collage kids is still hot in November then he could louse BUT Biden's health which may very well be on a decline could very well be a telling factor .

Can Biden even keep it going long enough to make the run its self and just how will he handle the debates ?
The Debates can very well give it right back to Trump Biden will be facing a man who is extremely good at Turing a person OWN weakness against them .

And Biden sure has weaknesses Thing is I dont want Trump in my self the man is to unstable but Biden is to unhealthy .
why is it the US is running the WORST candates possible anyway ?
have we fallen so far Our choice is a complete self absorbed self center Tweeting P Grabbing because im rich man or a hair sniffing dementia laden man ?

Trump The man who said I could kill someone walking down the street and no one would care . Trump the man who said looting starts shooting starts ( theft is a capital punishment now ?

The man who wanted Military in the street and resorted to hiring his own Prison guard Goon squad .
The pick is between a rock and a hard place.
This election will gain the US NOTHING Trump wins he will be NO more then HE already has become a LAMDUCK !

No one not even his own republican side will support any thing he does they are all to afraid of getting tangled in his stupidly it will be 4 more years of what we already see protesting riots and virus that just wont leave the news .
Biden wins and just who will be running the office because it wont be HIM ?

It will became 4 years of free for all as Biden just signs what ever is in front of him not being coherent enough to understand what he signs .
I really worry will we even have a country called the US come winter ? will we have any economy at all ?

The election may be MUTE as china takes over running the country in the vacuum of NO leadership .

a reply to: FingerMan

What, no draw in civilized political discourse any more? Civility in difference of opinion really that boring now?

More to the point it is in response to recent history.

I remember the media making fun of Sarah Palin, and a Sheppard Fairey poster winning, but I don't remember it ever being as blindly black/white devisive as this.

I used to respect CNN, now they are the equivalent of a pathological gossip queen trying to ruin an enemy.

So to defend my grandstanding this is my response to what I see and my contribution to it.

originally posted by: midnightstar
Trump wins he will be NO more then HE already has

I actually like that...see it as a good thing...way better than the sh!t storm Biden would bring. Go re roll in 2024, Biden is not the answer in any way. At least Trump will be hard on China and we all know Briden's view on them... They ain't bad, nice people, just trying to make a buck, our best friends...lol

Obama's 8 years gave China huge gains...I guess you like to see that continue with Biden maybe.

[RED ALERT] Republican DENIED to VOTE Republican!


The way this election cycle is warming up things are looking nasty. The Demarcates look desperate, they know a lot of them will be arrested if Trump gets another Term. Their plan looks to be destroying the nation so Trump looks bad, does not matter how good or bad Biden is, he ain't Trump.

Changing the election rules for postal votes is going to a mess, a really big mess.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: putnam6

Lol..

I wasn't old enough for Dukakis.

I could get into the several reasons (besides ones already mentioned) why I support Biden, but they are tax-laden big government spending programs that would detract from the point I am making about Trumps disadvantage.

That will be for a different thread. And in that one you can call me a big government spending Pinko that supports wacky things like paid 2yr college tuition (Exponding FASFA), and elimination of Privatized prisons, mandatory minimum sentences, and support of National Cannabis legalization.

You know, the issues we should be all fighting about. As its supposed to be.

WHOA WHOA there buckaroo LOL I agree with elimination of private prisons, mandatory minimum sentences and legalization of cannabis. How about congressional and senatorial term limits and end lobbying, end rider attachments to certain bills? These and the others will likely be hammered out no matter who the President is, the man has had a hostile congress on his azz since day one. Washington is all about deals or it used to be, where each item becomes a bargaining chip. Now the left just dug in their heels and said "by any means" and have used every tactic available to thwart Trump. LOL and the funny thing is I can't stand Trump but as you have said they never gave him a chance, how much about his prison reform bill do you know? it was actually a very good thing a long time coming and something both Bush and Obama/Biden could have done but chose not to. Which brings to point why didn't all the great things Joe is going to do get done during the 8 years of him being VP?

Point being in normal times we maybe could afford to prop Joe up and pretend he is President and giggle at his mistakes and faux-pas, but these are dangerous uncertain times, having an ass as President might be more useful than you think. Another thing Trump was never even considered being racist till he ran for President, did quite a bit for African Americans and others in New York for decades.

DC is about compromise the left shut that down, and wasted time and money just like the Starr campaign did and in the end, all it did was hurt the country. How did we end up with such awful and divisive candidates? seems like it was almost planned or likely manipulated don't you think?

BTW I wasn't alive for Kennedy/Nixon or Truman/Dewey but I do know about them is the school system actual failing too, LOL another area this country needs to address

originally posted by: Degradation33
It seems there us a legitimate effort (as much Kenneth Starr and his sodium stain in the 90's) to assure Trump loses his presidency.

You are masterful in the art of understatement. It does seem that there's been a bit of effort directed at attacking his presidency.

As it stands right now

The Trump re-election is a certainty

a reply to: Xtrozero

At least Trump will be hard on China and we all know Briden's view on them... They ain't bad, nice people, just trying to make a buck, our best friends...lol

This is an ACTUAL issue, and epitomizes my dislike of Trump's policies. Isolationism.

"China does what China wants to do" (their quote) and I thank their investment in Treasuries for low interest rates and stability against hyperinflation. They are better in bitter peace than a trade war.

In North America It's a miracle there is still a trade agreement at all, this was not what he said he was going to do. But he tried over material used to make engine blocks. It seemed like picking a fight with a friendly neighbor over the height of the hedge.

In the end, It's essentially the same thing as NAFTA, with focus on the Auto industry.

70% of all steel, aluminum, and glass used in the production of the automobile must originate in North America.

So how many towers Trump build buying a majority of these very things from China? Did he not like having to deal with Chinese steal companies that much?

At least now all those Toyota Camry made in Northern Kentucky and Assembled in Indiana will use Pennsylvania steal and Ontarion Alluminium, glass from Mexicali, at least 70% anyway.

He tried to bring back the 50's nationalist economic mindset in a world already outsourced.

But now I am detracting from my thread about Trump being railroaded for all the WRONG reasons.

"Heavy sigh"

I am so sick of liberals and democrats telling me what I will vote for and why. Not one of you has it right. I will vote for Trump and I support nearly everything he does.

Not because he is republican.

Not because he is Trump.

Because it pisses the snowflakes off. Oh, and is most likely the best thing to do at any given point.

The thing most liberals / democrats cant or wont admit is that the things they complain about with Trump are only issues because of the lies of other liberals / democrats.

I had a quick spat with someone just the other day. This idiot was spamming fb with posts saying Trump is a pedophile rapist. All I said at first was, "Show me something, anything, something credible in the way of evidence that supports your claim. If you can't do that then let me cordially invite you to stfu about it."

The answer I received was, "F**k you Trumptard koolaid drinker! I'm not going to play your games!"

All I did was ask the little snowflake karen to prove her point... It ended with me taking all of about two minutes to find fact checking that said the original fb post idiot-girl was quoting was fake.

Of course, her response to that information was, "Fake news!"

This is what conservatives are up against? I think we will be just fine.

originally posted by: Degradation33
"China does what China wants to do" (their quote) and I thank their investment in Treasuries for low interest rates and stability against hyperinflation. They are better in bitter peace than a trade war.

You know nothing John Snow...

If you follow mainstream media, you'll get that sense.

Therein lies the issue most low info folks fall into.

2016 was very much the same for Trump, as it is now, infact, back then, he had the entire GOP agaisnt him as well, fighting both a Democrat and GOP front, yet despite that, beat them and a media hell bent on attacking him.

Throw in three(3) years of BS accusations and a 45 million dollar BS Mueller case that actually REVEALED ZERO RUSSIAN COORDINATION.

I seriously doubt you have it all figured out and more importantly, being a Biden Supporter isn't exactly a defining quality.
40 plus years in Gov with very little impact to the American people, which lead to Eight(8) years of gutting American society and business for the corrupt Obama regime and now after all that, Trump is overwhelmingly voted on disrupting the establishments grip, thus, Trump is the result of failed Gov policies and the audacity of Biden to fight Trump is comical in every regard, so much so, that Obama not only tried to persuade Biden from NOT running, he didn't even attempt to endorse him until he was literally the last dude left and then some.

No doubt a good portion of America has jump off the deep end, anyone that can support the Dems after seeing the progressive crap show like AOC and Biden deserve the ridicule and embarrassment.

Fox news is the largest viewed show in all of news media, the others can't come close and so to think they can make an impact beyond their rabid base is amusing as well.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Show up, mail it, because I would not be the least bit heart broken if my vote for Biden was in vain. That is democracy. It would be some good watching, I suspect.

No one gave him a chance last time.

And maybe the snowflakes need to be pissed off a bit more. 4 years of desensitization to people they just don't like (usually without a valid reason) didn't do a bit of good. Never once has the criticism been policy related, always something he did that was bad.

Can't fault him for doing what the average person does on social media can you?

And it is what you said. Its mindless impressionable rage. I watched a little liberal gay Asian kid spray the side of my apartment building with "ACAB" on one of our nights of civil unrest.

Looking at him, I couldn't think of a scenario in which police would ever brutalize him/it/however it identifies. That kid looked like he had a rich foreign student-visa trust fund. I almost grabbed him and used him to clean it up.

Crocodile tears incensed by a news report and then inflamed a social media group is all I see in the way of Trump detractors.

And the infantile responses you encounter is about all there is to that. It lacks an actual reason.

So this is basically my way of say this mostly democrat (voted for McCain) is equally disturbed by the actions of the Democratic party during the first Trump administration. Childish.

"Let's all be sore losers for four years"

If it wasn't for covid-19 they would have assured him the election.

But I still don't like his policies...