Federal law enforcement pulling people of the street in Portland

Even if every word the left said about this was true (and it's not, they're known liars and you never believe a liar) why in the h### would we want to go to bat for THEM? They've spent the last 2 decades trying to erode our gun rights, eliminate our free speech, take more of OUR money and give it away to others, reduce our influence by counting illegals toward electoral processes and generally subject us to the will of the mob. So I ask you again, WHY would we care?

Lets say the armed population would step in and save the day, then what? How could we ever trust the enemy (known liars) to keep their words? So what? They end up taking power just to stab us in the back? I say screw that.

*IF* we ever are at such a crossroads (which we aren't, sadly) I say we let them fall to their own BS ideology and rhetoric.

When Trump's forces go to Chicago, we will be taking known gang members and criminals OFF THE STREETS, OUT OF THEIR HOMES and placing them into PRISON CELLS.

Unlike the failed liberal leadership of those cities, our people don't "catch and release"

No more dead babies. No more dead children. No more skull fragments, brain matter, pools of blood and mountains of shell casings. The gang banging thugs responsible for the lawlessness and carnage and mayhem will be held to the fire. The day of reckoning is here. Neighborhoods, businesses, families and Americans of all colors and creeds will be once again free to pursue happiness. They will be able to walk down *any* street they choose without fear of what color shirt they have on or whether or not the gang banging warlord will be sideways shooting his opposition and striking *dozens* of bystanders in the process. Funerals will be safe from the thugs.

*WHEN* Trump cleans they liberal messes up, the credit will rest squarely on him and the federal agents doing the heavy lifting and it will then be known once and for all that soft on crime "defund the police" liberals are not fit for any leadership position. I wouldn't hire one as dog catcher, as they'd find a way to turn it into "identity" and "release all, man!"

No more coddling violent gang thugs. If they put up a fight with their goofy sideways guns, heavily armed and highly trained federal agents will put the animal down.

Trump...and his camouflaged, fascist, paramilitary storm trooper goons (DHS, Border Patrol and the U.S. Marshall Service) "must be stopped"; for his latest "authoritarian" attempt to lawlessly occupy and violently snatch lawful, peaceful protesters from city streets without warrants.

It's time for Congress to demand, at a minimum, that Congress hold up the department's (DHS) funding until those tactics are halted.

a reply to: Erno86

Trump...and his camouflaged, fascist, paramilitary storm trooper goons (DHS, Border Patrol and the U.S. Marshall Service) "must be stopped"

No, they must be encouraged and supported. They aren't fascist anything and paramilitary isn't a slur.

for his latest "authoritarian" attempt

Crackdowns are usually the response to unchallenged lawlessness. The manbuns and crybabies just don't like being forced to obey the "rule of law" you all tout endlessly.

attempt to lawlessly occupy and violently snatch lawful, peaceful protesters from city streets without warrants.

Laughable. Lawful, peaceful protestors aren't being arrested. Warrants aren't a requirement to affect an arrest. Look this up: "probable cause arrest" and "investigatory detention." The latter, specifically, courts have given law enforcement broad leeway in detaining individuals for the purpose of investigating suspected violations of the law. Typically this is done on-scene, but when bloodthirsty marxist radicals create chaos, throw firebombs, ignite explosives and generally work to interfere with lawful police activities they have little choice but to remove the subject and conduct their lawful business elsewhere.

FYI, federal agents are allowed to be there just as much as any other person. And if they happen to see a violation of the law? Guess what. They can make an arrest or detain the perp for investigation.

It's time for Congress to demand, at a minimum, that Congress hold up the department's (DHS) funding until those tactics are halted.

Good luck with that. The house isn't "congress" merely one part of it (the lower chamber, at that). And, DHS is already funded through 2021. And, there's plenty of other sources of revenue available (including from seizures) to fund them if it was absolutely required.

Good luck with that red faced hatred though. I notice you didn't utter one word about the destruction, mayhem, death and attempted arson of a US court though. You're the fascist.
WAY DOWN!

18 U.S. Code § 2381. Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: fencesitter85

It isn't murder. It's judicious use of deadly force

Arson, mob attacks are both examples of deadly threats

They should've opened fire. I would absolutely use deadly force to prevent arson or the special type of disparity of force that exists from an attacking mob

Further proving you and your ilk don’t actually care about law and order just spewing hate and your fantasy of shooting everyone that doesn’t agree with you. The sentence for arson is not death. You don’t get to shoot someone you see start a fire and call it justice. It’s murder. Wow the right is so triggered they want to murder people. Who’s unhinged?

originally posted by: Nicorette
18 U.S. Code § 2381. Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Well the death penalty for thousands of insurrectionists besieging a federal building sounds a *little* extreme even if its the applicable law.

If someone attempted to burn down my home, injure or kill a family member, steal my property. . . .

I would shoot them.

And then shoot them again.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: fencesitter85
DBCowboy gets 70 stars for advocating murder.

Another reason ATS has become an irrelevant right wing dinosaur about to die because it can't make money.

*shrugs*

You call it murder, I call it self defense. But then again, I'm for the 2nd Amendment and you obviously are not.

Anti-American much?

And if it's "right wing" to support, defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then what does that make you Marxists?

Ooops, answered my own question.

Self defense? So you are a sentient Police building who posts on the internet, can operate a gun and need to defend yourself against an arsonist? Please tell us more Mr Building.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If someone attempted to burn down my home, injure or kill a family member, steal my property. . . .

I would shoot them.

And then shoot them again.

But since this is in no way happening to you are just any angry person online spewing violent thoughts.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: NorEaster

Give me a break. They are FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. They are allowed to enforce federal law anywhere it is being violated. It doesn't have to just be federal property, or Al Capone would've never been taken down by the IRS.

There's this issue of jurisdiction that legally prevents federal law enforcement from just waltzing in and rounding up local law breakers, and it's been that way all along. Al Capone was taken down by the IRS over tax issues - not over the murders and other illegal stuff he did because those crimes were state crimes and the feds had no jurisdiction at all in those cases. RICO was created to deal with those Fed-State jurisdiction limitations so that the FBI could go after the mob without running into the problems they had - legally - with their Al Capone [and other mob targets] pursuits, and RICO only applies to a very specific list of criminal activities and kinds of organizations. And that list doesn't include local street crime; not even murder, which is a state offense unless the murder is committed against a federal official or happens on federal land.

You'll see what I mean when Trump overshoots this one like he's done with every other adventure he's gone off on since stumbling into the WH. In Portland, his shock troops are being somewhat careful to limit their activities to maintain a plausible connection with that federal courthouse building, but if he sends in this little band of thugs to start screwing with Chicago's handling of their own street crime problems then he'll get slapped down yet again and once he's gone, the DHS lapdogs that implemented this foolishness will be facing serious "I was only following orders" charges.

My point of my post was pointing out the hysterical apocalyptic responses that you kids would be having right now if this wasn't your own goon-boy at the helm this time around. That point is one that you can't argue.

Well . . . yeah . . . you can . . . and you will . . . but when you do, it'll just showcase your hypocrisy and you'll prove my point.

originally posted by: FishBait

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If someone attempted to burn down my home, injure or kill a family member, steal my property. . . .

I would shoot them.

And then shoot them again.

But since this is in no way happening to you are just any angry person online spewing violent thoughts.

And your posts appear to be written by a troll (I honestly don't know) who wants people dead and buildings burned.

Why do you hate so much?

I find it interesting that those who spout Marxist ideology are supportive of the destruction of the Constitution, Constitutional rights.

It much suck so bad for you to hate the very country you live in.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: FishBait

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If someone attempted to burn down my home, injure or kill a family member, steal my property. . . .

I would shoot them.

And then shoot them again.

But since this is in no way happening to you are just any angry person online spewing violent thoughts.

And your posts appear to be written by a troll (I honestly don't know) who wants people dead and buildings burned.

Why do you hate so much?

I find it interesting that those who spout Marxist ideology are supportive of the destruction of the Constitution, Constitutional rights.

It much suck so bad for you to hate the very country you live in.

ROTFL. Nice assumptions. I specifically said harming people is wrong on more than one occasion. Buildings, meh. Insurance will fix them. The feds are doing more damage to the building giving it a permanent coat of tear gas. It may not be a usable building for a very long time because of the feds overreaction. Tear gas, not allowed in war...unless it's war on your own citizens. The citizens are using fireworks and bottles, the feds are using tear gas and rubber bullets. Who's in more danger? The best part is the feds are losing and Trump has to send in more troops because all his plans are bad and fail just like in his business life. Good thing you elected a failing business man con artist to run the gov like a business. Well, a Trump business that fails and has to be propped up by overseas loans.

And please, do show where I spout Marxist ideology. What are you 60? Who the hell even talks like that or thinks that's the way things work now? Hmmmmmm, old internet trolls still mad about women burring their bras in the 60s.

I love the country I live in which is why I don't want it taken over by fascist white supremacists.

a reply to: FishBait

And yet the feds have to be there. The rioters engaged in arson, looting, destruction, and insurrection in many cases are breaking the law and therefore have *no* right to be there.

And please, do show where I spout Marxist ideology. What are you 60? Who the hell even talks like that or thinks that's the way things work now? Hmmmmmm, old internet trolls still mad about women burring their bras in the 60s.

marxists and communists are evil SOBs who exist only for the United States to put them in the ground. We are way past due to bring back McCarthy and his HUAC hearings, only these must have the force of law and the full force of the President's national security powers behind them.

When we win the day communism and its even less intelligent servant socialism will be remembered only in the past tense.

I love the country I live in which is why I don't want it taken over by fascist white supremacists.

Show me one. Those don't exist. Totally an invention of the hysterical, hyperbolic far radical alt left.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FishBait

And yet the feds have to be there. The rioters engaged in arson, looting, destruction, and insurrection in many cases are breaking the law and therefore have *no* right to be there.

And please, do show where I spout Marxist ideology. What are you 60? Who the hell even talks like that or thinks that's the way things work now? Hmmmmmm, old internet trolls still mad about women burring their bras in the 60s.

marxists and communists are evil SOBs who exist only for the United States to put them in the ground. We are way past due to bring back McCarthy and his HUAC hearings, only these must have the force of law and the full force of the President's national security powers behind them.

When we win the day communism and its even less intelligent servant socialism will be remembered only in the past tense.

I love the country I live in which is why I don't want it taken over by fascist white supremacists.

Show me one. Those don't exist. Totally an invention of the hysterical, hyperbolic far radical alt left.

McCarthy!?!? I take it back...what are you 80? Bunch a guys marching with torches yelling "Blood and Soil" and "You will not replace us" and you want me to waste time proving white supremacists exist? Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Wow 8 years of Obama really got to you. Even though he totally governed with republican policy.

a reply to: FishBait

Don't care about white black etc

To me it's all about eradicating communism/socialism in order to protect our fundamental rights (read: BOR, Article 2, Article 3, Article 4)

None of that identity politics crap means anything to me.

FYI I voted for Obama in 2007

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FishBait

Don't care about white black etc

To me it's all about eradicating communism/socialism in order to protect our fundamental rights (read: BOR, Article 2, Article 3, Article 4)

None of that identity politics crap means anything to me.

FYI I voted for Obama in 2007

Cool, you realize he took us into more wars, lied about providing health care and took away more of your rights? Thanks to him you can now be detained indefinitely with out a trial as long as your deemed a terrorist or a threat to national security. No wonder Trump is pushed the "terrorist" agenda so hard before he sent his goons in to snatch people off the street.

Communism and socialisms have never been an issue in the US unless you think anyone even mentioning it is a crime. People are still free to have their beliefs you know. We have been and always will be Capitalist. The corporations have way too much control for it to be otherwise. You've really drank the cool-aid if you are wasting your time fretting about communists and socialist being a threat. Even antifa is a tiny minority that has no real power and is just causing trouble and successfully riling people up like it's the end of the world.

Meanwhile in the real world congress has handed trillions in tax dollar bail outs over to corporations for a second time in 10 years. You know...socialism. Are you equally infuriated about that and posting none stop on ATS about it? If so please direct me to your threads so I can agree with you on something.

a reply to: FishBait

Voting for him was a huge mistake. I realized this quickly. He paraded as an anti-establishment candidate so he got my vote. I quickly saw how wrong I was and voted 3rd party in '12 for the first time in my life. Couldn't stand either lame-stream candidate.

Communism and socialisms have never been an issue in the US unless you think anyone even mentioning it is a crime. People are still free to have their beliefs you know.

Oh no absolutely they can mention it, support it and even practice it as they see fit. The problem arises when they seek to replace our "Republican form of government" (not the party, but the practice of being a republic) with something other than that

Meanwhile in the real world congress has handed trillions in tax dollar bail outs over to corporations for a second time in 10 years. You know...socialism. Are you equally infuriated about that and posting none stop on ATS about it? If so please direct me to your threads so I can agree with you on something.

Yes I am incensed about the money being thrown away, no doubt about that. I've said it many times but it isn't about Trump, its about a lesser of two evils. I can't stand the majority of the GOP or the nonsense they care about/support/etc. I care squarely about our 10 bill of rights and limiting the power of government, I simply believe those birkenstock bolsheviks are the biggest danger to that and their backers in the democrat party

Reason is, we've shown we can handle the republican party. We primary our people when they step out of line, democrats merely fall in line and "vote bloo no matter who"

Are you equally infuriated about that and posting none stop on ATS about it? If so please direct me to your threads so I can agree with you on something.

No but only because of priorities. I am infuriated by the corporate welfare. I just have to K.I.S.S. to make sure perfect doesn't become the enemy of good. With democrats we *KNOW* several things will be true

1) We'll lose free speech rights to what they call "Right Speech" and dissenting voices will be drowned out by the mob. Hey, if it isn't government suppressing free speech its OK right? WRONG!
2) They'll try to further infringe on the second amendment (and start a civil war, most likely, in the process)
3) Political investigations will become a tool of the despots like they started to under oBama
4) Law enforcement will be weakened, criminals will be embolded and law and order will suffer. Birkenstock bolsheviks rioting, looting and burning down cities will be common place. It will spread from the cities into our neighborhoods.
5) The objective reality will be replaced by their notion of "truth" which essentially equates to whatever the mob says is true is true. Its consensus reality vs. objectivity
6) Taxes will be further increased to pay for all of their ridiculous feel-good programs that provably don't work
7) Regulation will strangle innovation and creativity
8) We'll sell out to dumpy actors like china
9) We'll cease to exist as a sovereign nation-state, and instead will become some globalist dump
10) They will sell out American exceptionalism and the Monroe Doctrine which has kept America on top for a century. They'll replace it with some equality farce in which this country is merely equal to others despite leading the world in achievements, military might and economic power. IE: We'll dumb ourselves down just to be on the same level as everybody else

a reply to: JBurns

While I agree with some of your points you have to realize the Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same party both fully committed to their corporate donar class and nothing else. It's profits above all, has been for a long time and will stay that way for a long time. All these Dem are coming for our guns and freedom is crazy talk. The dems had control during Sandy Hook and could have passed huge restrictions with public support and didn't. Obama and the dems got us in more wars because it benefits the military industrial complex which politicians also profit from. Then Trump, after promising to get us out of wars, kept us in war and gave the Pentagon a giant raise they themselves said they didn't need. This was supported by Dems. They work together you have to see that. They both voted for war in Iraq based on Republican's lying to congress. They both voted for the Partiot act which has been our main loss of freedom this century. They both recently re-authorized the patriot act! They are both so bad for the country. And they keep us divided with petty bickering pretending one side is better and we've chosen the right side. This is why people are so angry they feel they have no choice but to burn it all down.