China's Quantum Radar Could Reveal All Submarines.

Well this is a little concerning if true. No one likes to think China may have the upper hand in some areas when it comes to military operations, but it's good to keep an eye on what is being said.

No More Stealth: China's Quantum Radar Could Reveal All Submarines.

Quantum technology could also serve as advanced navigational sensor—one that could circumvent submarine dependence on orbiting satellites to stay on course.

Here's What You Need To Remember: China has also famously made breakthroughs in using quantum entanglement for encrypted communications by teleporting molecules over long distances. This could conceivably have application to communications with submerged submarines, a technically challenging task—with implications particularly for transmission of orders from a national command authority to launch nuclear weapons.

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a reply to: Smarties

WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones if there is anyone left to do the fighting ..is a saying that maybe has more truth than people want to admit.

a reply to: Smarties

If the beamed particles bump into, say, a stealth fighter, the effect on the beamed photon would be visible on the un-beamed partner photon as well. Then the photons which register a ‘ping’ are sorted out from the unaffected photons to form a sort of radar image.

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That's not exactly the way quantum entanglement works. There is no way to determine the state of the particle before it is affected without "collapsing its waveform", so there is no way to determine how it has changed.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Smarties

From the description in the article it’s a long way from being practical if ever.

I found a better description. On Wikipedia, of all places.

The basic concept is to create a stream of entangled visible-frequency photons and split it in half. One half, the "signal beam", goes through a conversion to microwave frequencies in a way that preserves the original quantum state. The microwave signal is then sent and received as in a normal radar system. When the reflected signal is received it is converted back into visible photons and compared with the other half of the original entangled beam, the "idler beam".

This makes more sense, since it involves the bounced beam as well as the reference beam. It still requires a reflection back to the receiver so is still subject to stealth technology.
en.wikipedia.org...

Mostly it's a system of reducing "noise", jamming, weather effects, etc.
And no, it won't find submarines.

Oh no quantum radars from china!

originally posted by: Brotherman
Oh no quantum radars from china!

Hmm, a Quantum of Solice.

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Brotherman
Oh no quantum radars from china!

Hmm, a Quantum of Solice.

Idk know if your a gamer, I am. If one thing messages placed by phantoms in dark souls has ever taught me was this “finger but, hole.” Blown away

originally posted by: Phage
I found a better description. On Wikipedia, of all places.

The basic concept is to create a stream of entangled visible-frequency photons and split it in half. One half, the "signal beam", goes through a conversion to microwave frequencies in a way that preserves the original quantum state. The microwave signal is then sent and received as in a normal radar system. When the reflected signal is received it is converted back into visible photons and compared with the other half of the original entangled beam, the "idler beam".

This makes more sense, since it involves the bounced beam as well as the reference beam. It still requires a reflection back to the receiver so is still subject to stealth technology.
en.wikipedia.org...

Mostly it's a system of reducing "noise", jamming, weather effects, etc.
And no, it won't find submarines.

Seems like a higher tech method of implementing COAC (clutter operated anti-clutter). The military has been using COAC in all of it's airborne radars since the APS-20. Cool stuff.

a reply to: Phage

Im still trying to understand how China is supposedly using "radar" under water. Pretty sure they are not using microwaves under water.

a reply to: drewlander

Read the article. The headline is somewhat deceptive, conflating technologies.

They also imply that quantum entanglement can be used for communication. It can't.

a reply to: Phage

Did read it and that was my point. A gravimeter is not "radar". Also, are we still using ferrous hulls on submarines?

a reply to: drewlander

Trying not to. But there are all sorts of things that create magnetic fields. It's hard not to.

I don't really get the point of the article. "The Chinese are claiming this and that." Or, maybe I do. Remember Reagan's Star Wars stuff? We couldn't do a quarter of what we were claiming, but it sure made the USSR nervous.

a reply to: Phage

Remember Reagan's Star Wars stuff? We couldn't do a quarter of what we were claiming

But the quarter that we could do was cool.

GPS
Infrared Targeting and Navigation
Laser Guided smart bombs
Even blowing up a satellite using a missile fired from an F-15

ETA
The Particle Beam Weapon didn't even reach the effectiveness of already existing missiles though in trials.

You can't create entangled photons by the trillions

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: drewlander

Read the article. The headline is somewhat deceptive, conflating technologies.

They also imply that quantum entanglement can be used for communication. It can't.

The technology China is using is based off of a Canadian mans work , work the USA has had illegal possesion of and has had full and complete acess to but has suppressed from mainstream........looks like China found it and took it and ran with it and if they did....then yes it can find Subs and it can be used for Communication in ways you cant even imagine.....plus other things you would consider to be Science Fiction.

The old America pre-Trump was disintegrating and it had stopped growing and learning so instead of taking these types of tech out of the closet they continued to hide and suppress them until the World got the internet,now all secrets are known.

Yes,if this tech is in Chinas hands they are definately on even ground with anyone on the Planet....which in itself is terrifying to think of.

This technology is 1000x more impactful than Keshe's work was.

Phage doesnt know anything about it at all...nothing....I have seen Phage truly stonewalled already on this topic already ,so there is nothing that can be debunked or criticised....only questons that can be asked.

This technology if China has it HAS BEEN DISCUSSED HERE ON ATS....but certain posters who posessed absolutely ZERO knowledge of this technology continually derailed the threads.

Look up Game Changer.

Then ask your Greater Power to keep this technology out of Chinas hands @ this point in History.

Ant if China has it and its to late...blame the Pre-Trump USA and current Canada......because there was International collusion that enabled theft of proprietary intellectual Property from Canada by the USA.....and this allowed the USA to suppress this Technology and have a monoply on it.....a Monopoly that set the stage for China to discover it using Intel outsourcing......China was probably doing routine Intel OPs and looking for any secrets in a generic manner when they stumbled upon this one.

Dont get hung up on terminologies and verbiage like "Quantum Entanglement"...this technology is extremely easy to understand.

originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: Phage

Im still trying to understand how China is supposedly using "radar" under water. Pretty sure they are not using microwaves under water.

This question Phage cannot contend with....its knowledge Phage doesnt have....at all....its Sublingual Data with zero Published Peer Review ,data Phage doesn't identify quantify validate nor use in ways others do.

Its not just water this tech can see through.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: Phage

Im still trying to understand how China is supposedly using "radar" under water. Pretty sure they are not using microwaves under water.

This question Phage cannot contend with....its knowledge Phage doesnt have....at all....its Sublingual Data with zero Published Peer Review ,data Phage doesn't identify quantify validate nor use in ways others do.

Its not just water this tech can see through.

Phage is probably the most scientifically literate person on this venue.
As such, one would be wise to take his advice, especially when dealing with Chinese technology claims citing quantum entanglement used in ANYTHING, especially weapons and communications. If you had a dime for every pseudo-scientific diatribe that China claimed as a scientific breakthrough... we could all retire. Most of this crap is picked up and repeated with face# and twerker, and that is how it gets it's broken legs.

BTW: I used to find submarines for a living.
Cannot ever talk about some of that equipment, however..
It is the technology you wont hear about that is real.

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: drewlander
a reply to: Phage

Im still trying to understand how China is supposedly using "radar" under water. Pretty sure they are not using microwaves under water.

This question Phage cannot contend with....its knowledge Phage doesnt have....at all....its Sublingual Data with zero Published Peer Review ,data Phage doesn't identify quantify validate nor use in ways others do.

Its not just water this tech can see through.

Phage is probably the most scientifically literate person on this venue.
As such, one would be wise to take his advice, especially when dealing with Chinese technology claims citing quantum entanglement used in ANYTHING, especially weapons and communications. If you had a dime for every pseudo-scientific diatribe that China claimed as a scientific breakthrough... we could all retire. Most of this crap is picked up and repeated with face# and twerker, and that is how it gets it's broken legs.

BTW: I used to find submarines for a living.
Cannot ever talk about some of that equipment, however..
It is the technology you wont hear about that is real.

Thats exactly why I referenced Phage...I grasp your acumen....but encourage you to consider this....if your Buddy offered you some hot sauce and you liked hot sauce would you just accept it without asking how hot it was first?

Smart is Smart is Smart to different People.....there are different levels....some out of this world so to speak....and what may seem like an impossible to solve problem to the masses is an afterthought to a few.

"Breakthrough"...break through what?...think about it.

Break through the Matrix .

Once you do anything is possible and every question imaginable has an answer available to you.

People are using proprietary technology in the Public domain = or greater than the best any Military or Secret Group has....now as we speak.

To the few its easy to understand the principals and processes behind what is being postulated.

I will use the Super-Cavitating Torpedo s another example of the USA dropping the ball BIG TIME because of earlier suppressions leading to Private Parties out-evolving Military researchers....I mean some of us know what the history of this technology really is ,where it was concieved from, what it emulates in part and principal.

I am afraid we are hearing echos of this same dynamic repeating itself...on if you can believe it an even greater level than that Torpedo Technology....and we know what that almost caused right? As a Submariner you know very well about the truth behind the Kursk...what can happen when the stakes get that high and a GAMECHANGING TECHNOLOGY is at stake.

If this is what I think it is its a GAMECHANGER with a 100% certainty.100x more impactful than the aforementioned FUBARed technological secret was.

To be fair this technology is in use now and is being optimized by a Military and Non-Military but Militant Group.....but no one will believe how and where quite yet.

a reply to: one4all

I am not a Submariner, but an Anti-Submariner.

Do you have any engineering background?