SCOTUS rules to return half of Oklahoma to the tribes

Tim Pool does a good briefing of this ruling in a 4-5 decision by SCOTUS to return half of the State of Oklahoma to the tribes. This would include all of Tulsa County and much of the Eastern half of the state. What this ruling will mean to the political landscape of Oklahoma is anyone's guess. I imagine the tribes will want a share of state tax revenue to begin building out their political infrastructure. 2020 is shaping up to be the strangest year in American history. What does this presedent set for other tribes across the nation?

Seems like more people would be talking about it..

It seems like a real interesting time to make a decision like this.

a reply to: machineintelligence

The beginning of balkanization of the US?

a reply to: Serdgiam

I think the news has not caught up with this ruling yet or what it means as far as setting precedent on other tribal claims across the States. The ruling was just handed down a few hours ago and perhaps it was time to head to the bars for the reporters. USA today late edition covered it and Tim Pool uses that as one reference in his piece on the subject. Ted Cruz has mentioned it also and Tim references that in his video as well.

a reply to: machineintelligence

Huh.... That's interesting..

a reply to: machineintelligence

I'm afraid Tim sort of missed the point of the decision. Nothing was "returned" to anyone. The case was a criminal case. The defendant, a Native American, had been convicted in an Oklahoma state court of a crime. He claimed that, as a result of certain treaties, state courts had no jurisdiction, since the county where he had been convicted was part of a reservation and only tribal or federal courts have jurisdiction on reservation properties. The case is limited to the particular treaty with the particular tribes.

The tribesand the state isued a joint statement after the decision, saying they were working things out to resolve jurisdictional matters.

a reply to: machineintelligence

I’m calling shenanigans on this one.
No way does the scotus ha e the power to confiscate state or private property.

a reply to: F4guy

Thanks for the clarification. It does seem this will only immediately effect about 1,000 prisoners in Tulsa county who will be turned over to tribal justice.

Source: abc7ny.com...

Here is the ruling: www.supremecourt.gov...

Altogether strange, to admit any tribal rights. Most curious.

This very well could set some legal example for other tribes to follow.

a reply to: machineintelligence


" Thanks for the clarification. It does seem this will only immediately effect about 1,000 prisoners in Tulsa county who will be turned over to tribal justice. "

Meaning , the Real Bad Apples among the Bunch could be Quarter Staked to the Ground near a Ant Colony and have Honey Smeared on their Faces . Tribal Justice is Not Blind ......

a reply to: Bluntone22

It does not mean what you think it means.

However it does raise some interesting questions.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: machineintelligence


" Thanks for the clarification. It does seem this will only immediately effect about 1,000 prisoners in Tulsa county who will be turned over to tribal justice. "

Meaning , the Real Bad Apples among the Bunch could be Quarter Staked to the Ground near a Ant Colony and have Honey Smeared on their Faces . Tribal Justice is Not Blind ......

This is a good thing. Bad people would repent their crimes when staked out over anthills and would provide wonderful examples of natural justice using only honeybees and ants.

a reply to: machineintelligence
Could the state get pissie and require the natives to have passport to enter into country and viseversa, could they require toll roads on native lands to pass through?

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

The tribes already have toll roads all over the state.

a reply to: machineintelligence

That's a lot of native prisoners for the David L. Moss CJC. Natives only make up 5% of Tulsa County...

a reply to: LSU2018

Lots of trouble among the tribes with drugs and alcohol. They all get a stipend from the casino money. A lot of that money unfortunately goes to liquor stores and drug dealers, thus a lot of crime per capita.

a reply to: machineintelligence

Woke.

Maybe the SC will return half of America to the British next?

a reply to: SKEPTEK

Yeah, next thing you know the south west including the bottom half of California and the states on the Gulf of Mexico will go back to Mexico, New England will go to the British, and the rest will go to Canada.

That will make everything better once the evil US is done away with.

Surely this is fake?

a reply to: JBurns

It is not fake. At present, if you read the SCOTUS decision I posted to the thread the tribes are given the authority of the areas outlined in the 1866 treaty boundaries which include Tulsa. The tribes are not ready to take on a law enforcement role and they would have to sue for taxation rights in order to fund such an effort and right now they have no plans to do so. This ruling opens up the door if they choose to pursue that in the future.