You Are Not Alone In Your Empty Act Of Defiance

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV

So much talking out of both sides of their mouth...

"The government can't tell me to wear a mask. Why doesn't the government tell these protesters to go home because of COVID spread. "

"Government can't infringe on my rights. Why isn't the government infringing on these peoples rights?"

This is an incredibly dishonest "point" to make.

They're not talking out of both sides of their mouth there. They're observing that the government and the virus-doom-porn crowd are talking out of both sides of their mouth:

1) insisting that we all stay home and go into financial ruin but
2) it's perfectly okay for hundreds of thousands of people to pack into the streets protesting and rioting.

One state even said you don't need to wear a mask if you're black.

The people calling out that kind of asinine hypocrisy are not "talking out both sides of their mouth" and I'll thank you not to post such blatant lies.

originally posted by: face23785
There's also this:

Virus apparently knows your skin color, so POCs do not need masks in parts of Oregon.

So yeah, sit there and be baffled why some people won't take this # seriously.

Wow. I clinked your link...this is real. FFS.

I’m sure since these is old news, this refrain has been repeated: I honestly thought this was an Onion headline.

I need to consume some hippie lettuce to alleviate my mind from this real madness.

a reply to: face23785

1) insisting that we all stay home and go into financial ruin but

For the sake of humanity and health. Americans were nonconformist and wanted to get out and drink and !$#$#. So it spread. Just like they told us it would... so the government intervened to prevent spread.

The exact way many other countries did and with a more empathetic populous, they were able to dramatically reduce the spread.

Americans have done nothing but scream ME ME ME and fought against it.

2) it's perfectly okay for hundreds of thousands of people to pack into the streets protesting and rioting.

That's a constitutional right. Can you imagine the sh1tstorm if they took away your right to protest?

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: neformore

My dad continually displayed the same kind of ignorance and would regularly say "I just don't get this whole thing"

He's irritated by wearing masks, and just seeing news reporters wear masks gets him going.

He's also a total introvert, doesn't read much, likes the liquor, and gets all his information from "being a news hound". He is largely alone and only sees the world from his own, small bubble. No travel, very few friends. Doesn't go out at night. Etc...

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Seeing these responses is no shock... how can you be well informed if between Doom and Flight Simulators you post on ATS 12 hours a day? Sounds like an introverted-hermit lifestyle to me... probably not someone worth getting information from. And probably not someone with a well rounded world view. Maybe when they were active they had a sense of things, but not anymore. It's just a screen and a keyboard for them now.

And an armchair.

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So much talking out of both sides of their mouth...

"The government can't tell me to wear a mask. Why doesn't the government tell these protesters to go home because of COVID spread. "

"Government can't infringe on my rights. Why isn't the government infringing on these peoples rights?"


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a reply to: Mandroid7

450,000 deaths in 6 months. Only 100 for the first two months, the rest in the remaining 4.

These numbers aren't "normal" and you are totally delusional if you think they are...

Dunno if you're referring to me personally or not, but I made one of those kinds of posts...so...I go out every day, i've been working 2-3 jobs over the last several months, I personally got to witness the hypocritical juxtaposition of walking out of a grocery store full of people subjected to forced social distancing and masks into a crowd of 2000 people marching down the street shoulder to shoulder, i've watched more than a handful of people yelling at cashiers and random strangers about masks, when I sit and watch them pull their masks off their face the moment they can't breathe and spend their time #ing with them with their hands.

Ever wonder why your doctor changes masks between patients? Ever wonder why your doctor goes through like 5 pairs of gloves when you see them? Ever wonder why every surface in an examination room is thoroughly sterilized using cavicide(not isopropynol) between patients? Because anything less than these measures is again ineffective at best and negligently harmful at worst.

originally posted by: panoz77
Feel free to catch your own droplets, we don't have COVID or we've already had COVID. Better yet, a surefire way to not get COVID is to bury yourself inside your house, make sure to duct tape the windows and doors.

I haven't stayed home one single day since the virus showed up. I work 40-50 hours a week, and shop like I always have. I don't even care a little bit if I get the virus! Ill live, and I get two paid weeks off of work. I do however care if I infect someone more vulnerable, therefore I wear a mask when I'm in public or at work. It's called taking care of each other and not denying science.

a reply to: neformore

I don't get why people don't understand this stuff. 

It was explained a few posts above yours.

The dunning-kruger effect sums it quite a well.

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: face23785

1) insisting that we all stay home and go into financial ruin but

For the sake of humanity and health. Americans were nonconformist and wanted to get out and drink and !$#$#. So it spread. Just like they told us it would... so the government intervened to prevent spread.

The exact way many other countries did and with a more empathetic populous, they were able to dramatically reduce the spread.

Americans have done nothing but scream ME ME ME and fought against it.

2) it's perfectly okay for hundreds of thousands of people to pack into the streets protesting and rioting.

That's a constitutional right. Can you imagine the sh1tstorm if they took away your right to protest?

Nice try.

One problem. They haven't been saying "These protests are dangerous because they will spread the virus, but we have to allow them because it's constitutionally protected."

They've been saying the protests are not dangerous and even pushing out senseless studies purporting to prove that the protests aren't causing an increase in infections. They've been encouraging the protests rather than warning "Hey you have a right to do this but it's a bad idea."

It is blatant hypocrisy.

Again, don't post lies please. Thanks.

a reply to: MarkOfTheV

Watching a bunch of entitled Karen's flout their "rights" like a bunch of brain dead children isn't going to convince me masks aren't worthwhile. If it reduces the risk of transmission by 5% for each person, it's worth it. But I guess some people wont be happy until the numbers are where they want them to be, and everyone's grandparents are dead bu theirs somehow.
I seriously wonder how the conversation goes. Karen's mom says "hey, I know I'm old, but I'd rather live for 10 or 20 years more," while these brats scream, "but my rights! I'd rather you die than me be slightly uncomfortable for 20 minutes! 😭"

a reply to: SKEPTEK

This shining example of brilliance is why we cant have nice things. The dumpster fire that is texas is because only Democrats want people to wear masks, not the hoards of clueless wonders like yourself who refuse to wear them? So... if you're not wearing masks, and infection rates skyrocket (because, duh), it's because of the masks you're not wearing which are only used by Democrats for some reason?

a reply to: MarkOfTheV


A " Mandate " is NOT a Law , therefore Compliance of it would be Considered Optional .

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: Plotus

Armchair epidemiologists don't like looking in a mirror.


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."

An Overview of the Dunning-Kruger Effect

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.

Fair assessment on the face of it, and valid question, based on another's proposed self authority..... so I will answer it, thought I think it is simply a tool. Do I think myself superior to these people who are at the meeting and trying to lambaste and chastise the pulpit ? I certainly do not wear their shoes, think like them or use their methods, despite their insistence. I do not suppose I give off their appearance of nonconformity to accepted social standards. They seem to me incapable of being talked to, unbendable.

Simply I think your supposition inaccurate and a quite disparaging attack.

a reply to: bender151

So how many old people have you likely killed by spreading A virus before the sudden onset of wokeness brought to you by the "Faucci" post essentially giggling about people wearing a mask prior to his suggestion?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: Plotus

Armchair epidemiologists don't like looking in a mirror.


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge."

An Overview of the Dunning-Kruger Effect

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.

This explains all the progressives in my social media feed that think they're so much smarter than everyone else.

Thanks for the support. However I will accept Criticisms as part of the workings of debate. I take no offence, but I do remember..

originally posted by: Cravens

originally posted by: face23785
There's also this:

Virus apparently knows your skin color, so POCs do not need masks in parts of Oregon.

So yeah, sit there and be baffled why some people won't take this # seriously.

Wow. I clinked your link...this is real. FFS.

I’m sure since these is old news, this refrain has been repeated: I honestly thought this was an Onion headline.

I need to consume some hippie lettuce to alleviate my mind from this real madness.

Yeah, it's real.
What's crazy is that civil rights violations can put personal liability on said dictators.
Time to speak the language they understand $$$$

Edit....maybe, I thought I read suspension of court going on during this.

a reply to: bender151

I seriously wonder how the conversation goes. Karen's mom says "hey, I know I'm old, but I'd rather live for 10 or 20 years more," while these brats scream, "but my rights! I'd rather you die than me be slightly uncomfortable for 20 minutes! 😭"

I hear what you are saying but I don't think you are considering all the facts. I spoke to a few of those Moms and older ladies on Tues and Wed. In fact there were eight of them between the ages of 60 and 88. All of them, were the ones that said they were fed up with the social distancing and the masks. All of them said they were willing to take their chances and if it is their time to be called home they were ready.

It was for the church so I wore a mask for their comfort and peace of mind, but I did not reject their hugs and kisses when they offered them. They all were healthy and happy. There are a couple of the elderly in the community that still choose to isolate. I drop off items to their fence posts or at their mailbox.

The elderly have rights also. I don't think anyone is going out with total disregard and trying to infect people that are afraid, at least I haven't seen any of that, outside of the videos they keep uploading to social media, that only shows one side of the story.

I was a compliant. I stayed isolated in my home for 45 day. I went out and checked on my neighbors and found they also had been compliant. Slowly we became more active and visited frequently with each other, but still stayed isolated in out little woods.This has gone on for 103 days. No one in my area has reported being sick or knowing anyone in the area that has been sick. Maybe because we are country folk and our homesteads are all acres apart.

I don't go to restaurants, bars, or any place where there are large groups of people, except church. And Church services won't resume until next month. Crowds just have never appealed to me. Our church is pretty small. There is not one person in my our church that has been sick or has had a family member sick from the virus. When I was given the opportunity to help out in my community, I was very happy to chip in. I am not stopping anyone from wearing a mask and self isolating. I will help those that choose to do so by dropping off what they need if I can. I don't see this as a reason to create dissension.

a reply to: MarkOfTheV

They threatened to when people were protesting the lockdowns. Do you recall the ones in Michigan? People cutting hair on the capitol lawn and getting cited and threatened with arrest?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

That was my mother-in-law when we spoke to them earlier in the week.

"We're old, but we're tired of this. What good is life if we spend what time we have left locked up? If it's our time, then let's go."

a reply to: ketsuko

So many people want to speak for the elderly that have the ability and the right to speak for themselves.

Many don't want this. The majority of them say, they have been through tough times, sickness, and death before. One even said she knows the agony of losing a child. She said she lost a child to an illness they didn't know much about, years ago. She said plagues have been around since before Moses.

So many of them want to make the best out of what time they have left, whether it is 20 years, 20 months, 20 days or 20 minutes. I can tell you this, not one of them showed an ounce of fear. A lot of frustration and anger, but no fear.

originally posted by: American-philosopher
a reply to: MarkOfTheV

there is also this here in Washington State.

Love it

So, following the logic displayed in this thread......

To use a metaphor - If I decide to do a drive by of someones family, the fact that they don't get out of the way of the bullets makes it their fault if they die.

and

People know they aren't sick because they think they're healthy and can see virus droplets in the air or on surfaces.


My only response to such wonderful logic from people is this - some of you might die. It will be sad.