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originally posted by: Pachomius
MONO
Dear Tok, I like for us two to talk on the basis of honest intelligent productive thinking.
Please, just you and I now work together to answer the question:
"Ultimately, how many kinds of existence do you and I respectively know?"
When you reply, please go right away to your ultimately kinds of existence, and be concise, clean, and comprehensible.
Here are my only two - ultimately two kinds of existence:
1. Existence that is from itself, there is only one example of such existence, namely, God - God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.
2. Existence that is from another, examples are you and I and everything that has a beginning, they owe their existence to God.
Remember, when you reply, please right away state your ultimately two kinds of existence, or even more than two if you will, okay?
Nota bene: If dear Tok you want me to talk on another basis of thinking, than the one I mention above, please be concise, clean, and comprehensible, with your basis of thinking.
originally posted by: toktaylor
a reply to: Pachomius
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I get the feeling you really do not want an intelligent conversation or reasoning.
1. Existence that is from itself, there is only one example of such existence, namely, the Universe - the Universe in concept as the creator cause of man and everything with a beginning.
There are people (like me) who had NDEs
Might be like this world
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Pachomius
MONO
Dear Tok, I like for us two to talk on the basis of honest intelligent productive thinking.
Please, just you and I now work together to answer the question:
"Ultimately, how many kinds of existence do you and I respectively know?"
When you reply, please go right away to your ultimately kinds of existence, and be concise, clean, and comprehensible.
Here are my only two - ultimately two kinds of existence:
1. Existence that is from itself, there is only one example of such existence, namely, God - God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.
2. Existence that is from another, examples are you and I and everything that has a beginning, they owe their existence to God.
Remember, when you reply, please right away state your ultimately two kinds of existence, or even more than two if you will, okay?
Nota bene: If dear Tok you want me to talk on another basis of thinking, than the one I mention above, please be concise, clean, and comprehensible, with your basis of thinking.
originally posted by: toktaylor
a reply to: Pachomius
[ . . . ]
I get the feeling you really do not want an intelligent conversation or reasoning.
I see your false dichotomy and raise you a scientific method, which translates thusly: Fact or hypothesis. The celestial creator force you describe is one of these things. I recommend you share your detailed process of testing and analysis so we can confirm your data and (if necessary) improve its accuracy. Or debunk it entirely. I assume you have an actual system?
as a brief aside, I don't know how the rest of these participants feel but I personally am done letting you tell us how to engage in these discussions. You don't decide the rules and you never did. Deal with it.
originally posted by: toktaylor
a reply to: Pachomius
1. Existence that is from itself, there is only one example of such existence, namely, the Universe - the Universe in concept as the creator cause of man and everything with a beginning.
2. Existence that is from another, examples are you and I and everything that has a beginning, they owe their existence to the Universe.
There i fixed it for you..."the thing that exist must be the thing that exist"
What currently exist? the Universe or God? If you say God Currently exist then you have to supply tangible proof of it/his/her existence.