Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not. –Title of thread (3412)
a reply to: cooperton
I figure you are making the distinction between believing in God, and knowing God? -cooperton
Dear cooperton, I think you make the distinction between believing and knowing, that's all right, but the verb word, to know, is very broad, so that
everything we talk about or think about, is something of which we can say we know.
That is why I make a distinction for God, between God of religion and God of reason, meaning that God of religion is more of believing in than God of
Of course religious writers tell us that believing is not any kind of acceptance of truth that is without any at all rational grounding, but all pure
100% fanaticism or bigotry, like a person insisting that no matter what you say, he is going to insist that a cadaver is alive - when it is obvious
that the cadaver has already reached the stench of decay, and he says it is his believing so, no matter what is obvious that the cadaver is already
smelling awful, and everyone can and does see it.
Now, I am sure you believe in God as narrated in the Bible and also taught by Jesus, because there were miracles vouching for the Bible and for
Jesus’s words - see, that is your some sort of rational grounding for believing.
And that is what I call God of religion i.e. grounded on believing.
And what is God of reason?
God of reason is what we come to with honest intelligent productive thinking, like we ask ourselves whether there has got to be some entity that is in
charge of everything that we know about, from of ourselves us humans and also of the whole universe, and we reason that Yes there has got to be some
entity in charge, otherseiwise how come our nose is not falling off uncertainly.
And from this line of reasoning we conclude that there exists God as the permanent self-existent cause of man and the universe and everything with a
beginning and an ending.
It is in the Bible also, in the very first line of the Bible, in the beginning God made heaven and earth, that is an indication that the human who
wrote that line, he did a lot of thinking, of course you say that he got it from God.
Yes, I will agree with you that he got it from God, because everything that we are and we come to, ultimately it comes from God, it follows as God is
the cause of man and the universe and everything transient i.e. with a beginning and an ending.
So, I define God thus: God in concept is the permanent self-existent cause of man and the universe and everything transient i.e. with a beginning and
And that is the God of reason.