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Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: Pachomius
See what you anyone can say against these thoughts from my honest intelligent productive thinking:

1. Existence is an isolated system, nothing can get in and nothing can get out.

2. Within this isolated system of existence there is at least one permanent self-existent entity, and several transient entities, for examples, humans - they are transient because they have a beginning at birth and an ending at death.

3. It is a fact and a truth that we humans exist.

4. It follows from num 3 that God exists, in concept as the permanent self-existent creator cause of man and the universe and everything transient and with a beginning.
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Okay, dear everyone, work on your comments, and I will read them and reply to you.

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1. Existence is an isolated system, nothing can get in and nothing can get out.

By existence I mean anything at all about which man can and does talk about, for examples: the nose on our face, God, dreams, Covid-19, thoughts, sphinx, dreams, anything at all, whether it is just in our brain/mind or outside.
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From the existence of man who is a transient being, i.e. with a beginning at birth and an end at death, it follows that God exists, in concept as the permanent self-existent creator cause of man and the universe and everything transient and with a beginning.

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Naturally you couldn't resist putting the human race at the center of existence.
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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

Naturally you found a way to put the human race at the center of existence.


Well considering we're the most rational, encephalized, bi-pedal, creative being on the planet I would say it's a good guess. The nature of physical particles is quite literally aware of our awareness. An observation they seldom tell you in astronomy is called the 'axis of evil', which shows that we are the focal point of the universe:



We are the manifestation of the Original Creative Spirit, and our human bodies are the ideal vessel for a Creator Spirit to inhabit to have a material interface. Your nihilist rhetoric is obsolete and doesn't fit observable reality. I don't understand your desire to try to prove yourself (and others) to be meaningless.
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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TzarChasm

Naturally you found a way to put the human race at the center of existence.


Well considering we're the most rational, encephalized, bi-pedal, creative being on the planet I would say it's a good guess. The nature of physical particles is quite literally aware of our awareness. An observation they seldom tell you in astronomy is called the 'axis of evil', which shows that we are the focal point of the universe:



We are the manifestation of the Original Creative Spirit, and our human bodies are the ideal vessel for a Creator Spirit to inhabit to have a material interface. Your nihilist rhetoric is obsolete and doesn't fit observable reality. I don't understand your desire to try to prove yourself (and others) to be meaningless.


On the previous page you called the human race a tumor on the planet. Now you're saying humans are demigods and the closest living thing to a divine race. I think you are confusing "pointless" with "mundane and boring". Humans are generally a very tedious, petty and self important species focused primarily on how to escape this rock & conquer the stars because we deserve to live forever and be acknowledged as the superior race in all the galaxy.
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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: cooperton

Hiya Coope.

Of course everybody knows we are the superior species !!

And for bonus time : here's the awesome Lucinda Williams covering Blind-Willie Johnson :






posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: Pachomius
See what you anyone can say against these thoughts from my honest intelligent productive thinking:

1. Existence is an isolated system, nothing can get in and nothing can get out.

2. Within this isolated system of existence there is at least one permanent self-existent entity, and several transient entities, for examples, humans - they are transient because they have a beginning at birth and an ending at death.

3. It is a fact and a truth that we humans exist.

4. It follows from num 3 that God exists, in concept as the permanent self-existent creator cause of man and the universe and everything transient and with a beginning.
.

Okay, dear everyone, work on your comments, and I will read them and reply to you.

--------------------------


1. Existence is an isolated system, nothing can get in and nothing can get out.

By existence I mean anything at all about which man can and does talk about, for examples: the nose on our face, God, dreams, Covid-19, thoughts, sphinx, dreams, anything at all, whether it is just in our brain/mind or outside.
.

From the existence of man who is a transient being, i.e. with a beginning at birth and an end at death, it follows that God exists, in concept as the permanent self-existent creator cause of man and the universe and everything transient and with a beginning.

.



Naturally you couldn't resist putting the human race at the center of existence.
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Dear Tzar, I am not into glorifying the human race, it's just that we humans are the only entities talking about existence and how our transient existence cannot otherwise than leads us to the knowledge of God's existence, God in concept as the permanent self-existent creator cause of man and the universe and everything transient and with a beginning.

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posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 06:27 PM
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Dear Tzar, I am not into glorifying the human race, it's just that we humans are the only entities talking about existence and how our transient existence cannot otherwise than leads us to the knowledge of God's existence, God in concept as the permanent self-existent creator cause of man and the universe and everything transient and with a beginning.

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I love it



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 11:13 PM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

Never called us a tumor. I said the science you idolize as your savior is never capable of resolving the metaphysical human dilemma. We as humans have the option to go in the way of worldly idolization, which causes confusion (Babylon means confusion). Or we have the option to seek out the reason for our existence no matter what the cost.

Nihilism is a cop out. It insists this is all meaningless, and is for that reason a very dangerous philosophy that strays people into the murky puddle of meaninglessness. You always participate in these Theological discussions, so I insist you take it from a pragmatic unbiased perspective



posted on Jan, 8 2021 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: cooperton

A rather inconvenient observation for pedants of modern physics. Just too many coincidences when it comes to our position within the universe to conclude we’re nothing special. At the very least our planet is an extraordinary anomaly.


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posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 05:22 AM
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a reply to: Grenade
Every apparent thing is unique.....so everything is special.
If everything is special then nothing is special 🙂



posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 08:08 AM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain

I take it you’re unaware of the cosmological “axis of evil”. The anisotropic alignments with our solar system and the CMB radiation appear to be anomalous and far from what you would expect from a random universe. Having a correlation between the structure of the universe and the motion and alignment of Earth around the Sun is truly unbelievable.



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posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:04 AM
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originally posted by: Pachomius

Dear Tzar, I am not into glorifying the human race, it's just that we humans are the only entities talking about existence and how our transient existence cannot otherwise than leads us to the knowledge of God's existence, God in concept as the permanent self-existent creator cause of man and the universe and everything transient and with a beginning.
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Probably because we are the only species on Earth that can't stop talking about how amazing and perfect we are, it's disgustingly narcissistic to point to ourselves as proof of a god creating the universe and all life.



posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

Could that be because we are the only species on Earth capable of conceptualising and discussing subjects such as theology?



posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: cooperton
a reply to: TzarChasm

Never called us a tumor. I said the science you idolize as your savior is never capable of resolving the metaphysical human dilemma. We as humans have the option to go in the way of worldly idolization, which causes confusion (Babylon means confusion). Or we have the option to seek out the reason for our existence no matter what the cost.

Nihilism is a cop out. It insists this is all meaningless, and is for that reason a very dangerous philosophy that strays people into the murky puddle of meaninglessness. You always participate in these Theological discussions, so I insist you take it from a pragmatic unbiased perspective


I know that nothing I say is going to change what you think. Arguing with you is a waste of my time and reading what I type is a waste of your time. So this next sentence is for Pachomius "the great" (so called) and the sentence is, no one has resolved the puzzle. No one has demonstrated or delivered a rational explanation of a godly presence or agency participating in our world or ever existing to begin with. Your experiment failed.
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posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: TzarChasm

Could that be because we are the only species on Earth capable of conceptualising and discussing subjects such as theology?



You are mistaken. Theology was invented as an excuse to talk about how magical and perfect we humans are. We want to inherit the kingdom and we dream of being reborn as angels, divine creatures that will live forever because we deserve it. Theology is the practice of indulging in this philosophy and proving that we are in fact worthy of such ridiculous childish fantasy.



posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:31 AM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

If I’m mistaken please name another species capable of discussing such concepts.

You have a very negative view of humanity.



posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: TzarChasm

If I’m mistaken please name another species capable of discussing such concepts.

You have a very negative view of humanity.



You are mistaken because you seem to think that discussing theology means we are participating in theology. Discussing star trek doesn't make me an officer on the enterprise.



posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

So is theology a human concept or not?



posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: TzarChasm

So is theology a human concept or not?


Harry potter is also a human concept



posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

Yet another example of our imagination, unique among known biological lifeforms.

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posted on Jan, 9 2021 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: TzarChasm

Yet another example of our imagination, unique among known biological lifeforms.


So you admit that theology is imagination and not scientific fact




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