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Will we find that out by going into the object world to search for such an entity?
originally posted by: Pachomius
In brief words as we have only words to speak out our thoughts:
From my part as a thinker on the God of reason as distinct from the God of religion, it is all God and we are just His creation, He made us and gave us a brain/mind, that we get to know Him to be all the whole caboodle of existence that is reality, and I call that the object world as distinct from the concept world.
But why would He be interested in us knowing Him?
The only reason I can think up is because in some way He is like us, He cares and dares that we get to know Him.
You know, I will now lapse into the God of religion, by trying to contact Him, thus:
Dear God, what do You say, can You just give us a sign of Your presence, please?!
He says: Time to revamp your God of religion.
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originally posted by: Willtell
Now, knowing the nature of God is different from a belief in God.
According to the esoteric theory, knowing âGodâ is possible through some developmental paths such as Sufism, Zen Buddhism, Regular Buddhism ( which BTW doesnât have a traditional belief in a God), Mystical Christianity, Kaballah, Taoism, Vedanta, and some others...And sometimes, in very rare cases, people get enlightened by informal means...miracles, direct perception, but these cases are very rare.
So, just because we have belief in a God doesnât remotely mean we understand the nature of God.
Some inner developmental aspect which includes the cultivation of higher perceptive capacity must be achieved.
originally posted by: Willtell
One great argument for a God is that we know empirically that NOTHING comes into being out of nothing. And particularly complex beings like humans
Organic or inorganic.
Look at a car. Can something like that exist in a vacuum?
Look at a creature, man, or animal. Can that come into being by itself?
NO to both questions.
So if you say, the parents created that being?
It is irrelevant since all that we are confirming is the impossibility of any complex or not creature coming into existence all by itself.
Somewhere down the line of humans is some kind of superior being or process that has an origin.
originally posted by: Pachomius
originally posted by: Willtell
Now, knowing the nature of God is different from a belief in God.
According to the esoteric theory, knowing âGodâ is possible through some developmental paths such as Sufism, Zen Buddhism, Regular Buddhism ( which BTW doesnât have a traditional belief in a God), Mystical Christianity, Kaballah, Taoism, Vedanta, and some others...And sometimes, in very rare cases, people get enlightened by informal means...miracles, direct perception, but these cases are very rare.
So, just because we have belief in a God doesnât remotely mean we understand the nature of God.
Some inner developmental aspect which includes the cultivation of higher perceptive capacity must be achieved.
Dear Willtell, thanks for your contribution.
Now, I hare already, and forgive me, proposed to all posters to not bring in past or even today's thinkers, but to only present your very own self-thought up ideas on the existence or not of God, otherwise we will get mired i.e. stuck in mud, getting derailed with debating on what exactly does this or that thinker not in this thread, advocates - and that is just plainly not at all productive.
We want honest intelligent productive thinking and writing by and from each one of us here present and contributing.
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originally posted by: Pachomius
originally posted by: Willtell
One great argument for a God is that we know empirically that NOTHING comes into being out of nothing. And particularly complex beings like humans
Organic or inorganic.
Look at a car. Can something like that exist in a vacuum?
Look at a creature, man, or animal. Can that come into being by itself?
NO to both questions.
So if you say, the parents created that being?
It is irrelevant since all that we are confirming is the impossibility of any complex or not creature coming into existence all by itself.
Somewhere down the line of humans is some kind of superior being or process that has an origin.
.
In other words, there is existence all the time and everywhere, i.e. there has never ever been and nowhere non-existence.
Now, we humans for being of the taxonomy homo sapiens, we know right away from our acquaintance with existence, that there are two kinds of existence, self-existence and existence from another.
Existence from self is in-extinguishable, so that God as a self-existent being cannot extinguish Himself, while man being an instance of existence from another namely God, he can cease to exist from God, and even extinguish himself by suicide.
There, that is one argument for the existence of God, in concept as the self-existent entity that created caused the existence of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.