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posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 11:16 AM
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MONO



Dear Neutron:

On the assumption that you are sincerely into honest intelligent productive thinking, I invite you to reduce your Webster's information on what is faith into just 20 words, that should be the 20 words most useful to all humans with honest intelligent thinking to keep in their mind, in order to understand how faith for you is the solution to the issue God exists or not.

Dear readers and fellow posters with honest intelligent productive thinking, this Neutron will run away as he always does, when some really possible achievement is presented to him to get it done by him, in the present context, to reduce his Webster's information on what is faith, which is very important to himself, in re God His God exists or not.

So let us all sit back and await with bated breath for him to run away, or really honestly intelligently productively set to accomplish - the definition in Webster's dictionary which he himself also brings forth, namely, to reduce Webster's definition of the word faith, to reduce it into not more than 20 words.


Annex


neutronflux posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 01:36 AM a reply to Pachomius
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Faith as defined by Merriam Webster Dictionary.

    www.merriam-webster.com...


    faith noun
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    ˈfāth
    plural faiths ˈfāths , sometimes ˈfāt͟hz
    Definition of faith (Entry 1 of 2)
    1a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY
    lost faith in the company's president
    b(1) : fidelity to one's promises
    (2) : sincerity of intentions
    acted in good faith
    2a(1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God
    (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
    b(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
    clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return
    (2) : complete trust
    3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction
    especially : a system of religious beliefs
    the Protestant faith
    on faith
    : without question
    took everything he said on faith
    faith verb
    ˈfāth
    faithed; faithing; faiths
    Definition of faith (Entry 2 of 2)
    transitive verb
    archaic
    : BELIEVE, TRUST



The above is the general definition of faith for my native language.

If you don’t like a standard definition with an economy of words that allows for not reconstructing language every time two or more people communicate, petition to have the definition changed or expanded.


Or reference a language in which has a better word for faith than the English language.

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edit on 18-9-2020 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed




posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 12:01 PM
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MONO




Time for me the author of the present thread to bring everyone back to the OP, for everyone to be guided accordingly.


NB My 12 steps to prove from evidence the existence of God in concept etc., below, in Annex 1.




Title of thread: Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

Author of thread: Pachomius

posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 01:12 PM


OP of thread:
On the assumption that mankind sincerely seeks knowledge, I submit that it is possible for any person to come to resolve the issue God exists or not, with honest intelligent productive thinking, i.e., thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas. Now, honest intelligent productive thinking on the said issue must start with working together to concur on the concept of God. What do you dear colleagues here say?


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Annex 1


Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.
Pachomius posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 01:12 PM
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    On the assumption that mankind sincerely seeks knowledge, I submit that it is possible for any person to come to resolve the issue God exists or not, with honest intelligent productive thinking, i.e., thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas. Now, honest intelligent productive thinking on the said issue must start with working together to concur on the concept of God. What do you dear colleagues here say?


12 steps to prove the existence of God:
Dear everyone, as there is an oft repeated request for me to show my proof on evidence for the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, allow me to reproduce my post, below, for your study.

After you have studied it, may I just ask you to kindly bring up No. 1 line, for us all to discuss: you see, without your acceptance of No. 1, it is impossible for you to understand the whole procedure of my proof.

So, if you don’t first bring up No. 1, I will opt to not give attention to your message.


    Pachomius posted on Aug, 9 2020 @ 07:13 AM
    .

    Dear everyone, here is my exposition proving from evidence the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

    .

    1. You and I and he she it, we all exist, do you accept that?

    2. You and I and he she it, we came from our parents, do you accept that?

    3. Our parents came from their parents, do you accept that?

    4. We all humans make up the human race, can you accept that?

    5. The human race had a beginning in the universe, can you accept that?

    6. Scientists tell us the universe had a beginning some 13.8 billion years ago, can you accept that?

    7. There has been the domain of existence prior to the beginning of the universe, can you accept that?

    8. In that domain of existence prior to the beginning of the universe, there has got to be an entity, which created or caused the coming to the beginning of the existence of the universe, can you accept that?

    9. Evidence is anything existing which leads man to ascertain the existence of another thing, can you accept?

    10. Wherefore, man and the universe and everything with a beginning are the evidence to the existence of an entity, which created or caused them to come to existence, can you accept that?

    11. And therefore we can call that entity in concept and in name, as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, can you accept that?

    12. If you cannot or will not accept that God exists, are you not then either irrational or dishonestly stubborn against the existence of God?

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Dear everyone, please point out what Number 1 to 12 you have difficulties with, okay?

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posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Nothin



Whom amongst us really remembers, and whom just guesses ?

I'll put it like this: I remember what I remember.
I don't remember the first human or the last.

I'm in the process of writing up a rather lengthy memoir,
things I remember over a lengthy period of time.

The NOW is freking overrated. Every act, every thought, in the past has consequences for today and tomorrow and the future. And we're killing ourselves as an ongoing process that could have been prevented 50 years ago, 40 years ago, maybe even 30 years ago, but we freaking didn't. Now we're F***ed.

When I'm done with the Bee Sting story, it will probably get posted in the Conspiracies in Religion forum. In the meantime, here's something that probably won't be in that story:

Where the hell did the concept of creator come from? Well the Greco-Roman idea came from a little word, Ktistēs.

Who was a ktistis ? An ancient founder of a small shabby colony. Then when the founder died, he was buried, and there were shrines. Founder/Creator. Then the small shabby colonies grew to be cities, and the cities became parts of empires, then Theology invented the gods.

Eventually, someone decided that the humble word ktistes, should be transmogrified from shabby colony founder to the freakin one and only self existing Creator of the Universe out of nothing.
See Oxford Classical Dictionary

And as further material for the video you posted, see: Great chain of being


Maybe you should have written your memoir when you were 12 ?
Wouldn't have been so long...

Sitting in the now : it's hard to change stuff in the past.
However alcohol, and 'other' : may alter those memories, or so they supposedly say...

So here and now : what are these memories ?
How accurate are these memories : or have they been Mandellla-Effectivized ?
( Don't mean your memories : but in general. )

Here : there are no memories of a crater, nor a Creator.
Many whom investigate the complexity of life, down to the cellular level : conclude that it must indicate ID.
But remain unconvinced myself.

Seeing so much more that we don't comprehend : how could we we know ?

Perhaps we came here riding on an asteroid, that landed with a magnificent crash, and we walked-out of the crater so many years later ?

All hail the mighty Crater !!!

And bless the humble patater...




posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
How many of these threads about God on ATS have asked the same question.


130 pages later has God been found?


Yes.
Multiple times, it seems.

But then we lose Her again...



posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
How many of these threads about God on ATS have asked the same question.


130 pages later has God been found?



130 pages later and there is no rational argument left that could conclude intelligence came from non-intelligence.


Haven't been convinced neither.
But for me : that doesn't necessarily lend to any other conclusion, neither.

Unless : we're overestimating our supposed intelligence ?

What is this facet of us : that seems to need conclusions ?

We don't know nothing !




posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: Pachomius

Again...




faith noun
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ˈfāth
plural faiths ˈfāths , sometimes ˈfāt͟hz
Definition of faith (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY
lost faith in the company's president
b(1) : fidelity to one's promises
(2) : sincerity of intentions
acted in good faith
2a(1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return
(2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction
especially : a system of religious beliefs
the Protestant faith
on faith
: without question
took everything he said on faith
faith verb
ˈfāth
faithed; faithing; faiths
Definition of faith (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb
archaic
: BELIEVE, TRUST

www.merriam-webster.com...


What would you add to the definition of faith?

Again.

I learn by compare and contrast contrast




John 20:24-29
New International Version
Jesus Appears to Thomas
24 Now Thomas(A) (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side,(B) I will not believe.”(C)

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace(D) be with you!”(E) 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”(F)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed;(G) blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”(H)


www.merriam-webster.com...



There is a book big on faith..



Matthew 21:22 ESV / 1,880 helpful votes

And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”

Hebrews 11:6 ESV / 1,806 helpful votes

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Romans 10:17 ESV / 1,789 helpful votes

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Hebrews 11:1 ESV / 1,519 helpful votes

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Mark 11:22-24 ESV / 1,233 helpful votes

And Jesus answered them, “Have faith in God. Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

James 2:19 ESV / 992 helpful votes

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 974 helpful votes

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Luke 1:37 ESV / 907 helpful votes

For nothing will be impossible with God.”

Proverbs 3:5-6 ESV / 852 helpful votes

Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

2 Corinthians 5:7 ESV / 816 helpful votes

For we walk by faith, not by sight.

www.openbible.info...


What would you add to the listed lessons?


Is the below false faith and false evidence concerning God truly exists?




God's So Great Salvation: A Personal Testimony

www.wholesomewords.org...

After nights of reading the Bible, one evening while I was reading in the Gospels, I saw that Jesus was God and the only way of salvation. Whereas I was previously blind to spiritual things, God opened my eyes and my unbelief suddenly left. What my parents had told me about God's salvation was true!

I now understood John 3:16 in the Bible (For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life) and I believed God and His provision of His Son for me, and I placed my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour.


Religious free testimony concerning God in scripture? Is Daniel’s testimony about being delivered from death from the Lion’s den by God false testimony for a God that exists?



posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: Pachomius

You


Time for me the author of the present thread to bring everyone back to the OP, for everyone to be guided accordingly.


NB My 12 steps to prove from evidence the existence of God in concept etc., below, in Annex


Well. Maybe you shouldn’t make posts like this..



Thanks Neutron for a very long post, but you forgot to repeat in your long post what is your definition of faith.

Do it now when if ever you remember what you repeated many times already in the past.


If you don’t want the thread to go off topic, don’t used false arguments. Don’t ask for off topic definitions.



posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 06:37 PM
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MONO




Dear readers:



Definitely there are posters here who are not into constructive participation in the development of the thread, but into plain derailment, by voluminous words to no objective but to waste time and effort of people to unwittingly read them, whereas they wasteful posters are not contributing to the advancement of the OP:

Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.[/b


My sincere invitation to them is to just go away and start their own thread, period.


One such poster is Neutron.


Okay, Neutron, no more derailing verbosity like citation of Webster's definition of faith.

Show some honest intelligent productive motivation in this thread, by just reducing the verbosity of Webster's definition of faith, into no more than 20 words, otherwise go away and start your own thread on how to waste the time and effort of readers with verbosity of citations...

When you can just reduce the citations to an abstract, unless of course you have nothing in your stock knowledge and information, except the mischievous ill will to scan the internet and download voluminous words, to beguile simple folks that you are what, so learned?

So learned in nonsense malice.



posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 07:02 PM
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MONO





Dear readers, please consider this thought from me, and take notice that I am into sharing with you: what it is to have the complete full entire whole picture of reality which is existence.


    1. You are consciously experiencing all the time everything that comes to your senses of sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell, and the what I call super sense of consciousness itself.

    2. Ask yourself, Does what I experience have a beginning or not?

    3. It appears to be certain that everything has a beginning.

    4. But you are also certain that everything that has a beginning, it comes from something that is without beginning - why? Because that is the way your brain is wired, it is called logic.

    5. And that something that is without beginning, what is it? It is EXISTENCE itself.

    6. Existence itself is all the time and everywhere present, in fact we exist in existence, existence is the medium we exist in.

    7. What about God? God is the Master Mind in charge of existence.

    8. Do you now see why I define God, as in concept the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning?



There, that is the complete full entire whole picture of reality which is existence.


From this time onward, no one can out talk you on anything about existence, because you have the the complete full entire whole picture of reality which is existence.



posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: Pachomius

Ironic from the poster that wanted the definition of faith. And that you blatantly misrepresent what others post.

You stated something about I was running away from defining faith?

Well, here it is..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Pachomius

Again...




faith noun
Save Word
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ˈfāth
plural faiths ˈfāths , sometimes ˈfāt͟hz
Definition of faith (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY
lost faith in the company's president
b(1) : fidelity to one's promises
(2) : sincerity of intentions
acted in good faith
2a(1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return
(2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction
especially : a system of religious beliefs
the Protestant faith
on faith
: without question
took everything he said on faith
faith verb
ˈfāth
faithed; faithing; faiths
Definition of faith (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb
archaic
: BELIEVE, TRUST

www.merriam-webster.com...


What would you add to the definition of faith?

Again.

I learn by compare and contrast contrast




John 20:24-29
New International Version
Jesus Appears to Thomas
24 Now Thomas(A) (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side,(B) I will not believe.”(C)

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace(D) be with you!”(E) 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”(F)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed;(G) blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”(H)


www.merriam-webster.com...



There is a book big on faith..



Matthew 21:22 ESV / 1,880 helpful votes

And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”

Hebrews 11:6 ESV / 1,806 helpful votes

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Romans 10:17 ESV / 1,789 helpful votes

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Hebrews 11:1 ESV / 1,519 helpful votes

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Mark 11:22-24 ESV / 1,233 helpful votes

And Jesus answered them, “Have faith in God. Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

James 2:19 ESV / 992 helpful votes

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 974 helpful votes

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Luke 1:37 ESV / 907 helpful votes

For nothing will be impossible with God.”

Proverbs 3:5-6 ESV / 852 helpful votes

Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

2 Corinthians 5:7 ESV / 816 helpful votes

For we walk by faith, not by sight.

www.openbible.info...


What would you add to the listed lessons?


Is the below false faith and false evidence concerning God truly exists?




God's So Great Salvation: A Personal Testimony

www.wholesomewords.org...

After nights of reading the Bible, one evening while I was reading in the Gospels, I saw that Jesus was God and the only way of salvation. Whereas I was previously blind to spiritual things, God opened my eyes and my unbelief suddenly left. What my parents had told me about God's salvation was true!

I now understood John 3:16 in the Bible (For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life) and I believed God and His provision of His Son for me, and I placed my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour.


Religious free testimony concerning God in scripture? Is Daniel’s testimony about being delivered from death from the Lion’s den by God false testimony for a God that exists?

————

Then what you asked for is provided. You want to change the topic, and make accusations that people are derailing the thread.

Would you stop posting blatant falsehoods. Would you make your mind up on what you want. Stop contradicting yourself.
edit on 19-9-2020 by neutronflux because: Added and fixed



posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 08:11 PM
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Such thinking reflects a concept that finds a place in many religions around the globe—fate. Many people believe that our future, from the day of our birth to the day of our death, is somehow written in advance.


Our future is already set. But we are the only once who dont know how it will be. Unless you chose to beleive in scripture then you kow what will take place. The irony is that peopel who beleive in scripture think that they can change the future, or change their own outcome/faith... But they cant. You future is set...and there is nothing you can do about it.

People cant just chose to have faith. It must be given to them. In scripture God said: I will put it in your hart to make my word come true. There is a hord of people who are chosen to be evil... and to be non beleivers. Man they are all over this topic....

Now we have a issue within religion because Jesus tough us that we can all change if we want to. But the thing is you cant and you wont. There is no way i can make a non beleiver have faith. It will never happen. This forum and topic is a testament of that on a smal scale. Only God can give non beleivers faith, and that has happened....

Not even Jesus had the power to make non beleiver have faith. And he wont be able to when he comes back..... Scripture is not telling us the truth when it comes to Jesus, because Jesus is not God. Jesus does not make the calls, God does.

Jesus is given authority. This imply that Jesus is not God.





edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 19 2020 @ 10:34 PM
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MONO





Well, dear readers, see?

Neutron is again running away from the task of reducing Webster's lengthy definition of faith which he dug up and put here for a derail or distraction, running away from the task to reduce it into just no more than 20 words.

The man can't even know how to reduce long verbose text into an abstract: because he is enslaved to empty verbosity under which he hides, or under the cover of such empty verbosity he runs away from the task on hand.

No sense in attending to his flights from reality.

.



Dear readers:

Now, I will expound further on the whole picture of reality which is existence.


You see, scientists are searching into distant galaxy space and into abysmally deep subatomic space for a theory of everything, which is in simple words, means the big picture of existence or reality.


But they neglect to investigate or examine that existence or reality is all the time and everywhere present and they live in existence space.

Before the Big Bang there stands already existence, and after the Big Bang event which introduced the universe, the universe could go into extinction, but existence continues to stand.

Mankind will come to extinction and also all life forms will go into extinction, what with the massive number of nuclear warheads available for politicians to hurl at one another, complete exhaustive holocaust of all biosphere will disappear into nothing-ness.

Still existence continues to stand, because existence is to its core the essence of indestructibility.


Certainly existence and God are synonymous, except that God is the Master Mind in existence, and existence is God's Man Friday - in a way, taking advantage of literary license.*


Think about that!

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*Read, Daniel Defoe's 1719 novel Robinson Crusoe.
www.gutenberg.org...



posted on Sep, 20 2020 @ 05:16 AM
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No. Your running away from honest debate and questions asked of you.

Again. What would you change concerning the definition of faith.

I have not only provided the definition of faith. I provided an example of faith through compare and contrast concerning Jesus and doubting Thomas.

And, the Holy Bible covered all aspects of faith long before I was born. What is missing in the Bible concerning any aspect of faith? Please be specific.

It seems more about you crafting a god you want than serving the God that exists.

Again...

Religious free testimony concerning God in scripture? Is Daniel’s testimony about being delivered from death from the Lion’s den by God false testimony for a God that exists?

I will take Biblical Daniel’s testimony concerning what God physical did, and his personal relationship with Daniel over your hollow definitions, circular logic, and blatant false arguments any day.

I find the testimony below more credible than what you have shown in this thread.





“God Saved My Life”

ourdailybread.ca...

When Aaron (not his real name) was 15, he began praying to Satan: “I felt like he and I had a partnership.” Aaron started to lie, steal, and manipulate his family and friends. He also experienced nightmares: “I woke up one morning and saw the devil at the end of the bed. He told me that I was going to pass my exams and then die.” Yet when he finished his exams, he lived. Aaron reflected, “It was clear to me that he was a liar.”

Hoping to meet girls, Aaron went to a Christian festival, where a man offered to pray for him. “While he was praying, I felt a sense of peace flood my body.” He felt something “more powerful, and more liberating,” than what he felt from Satan. The man who prayed told Aaron God had a plan and Satan was a liar. This man echoed what Jesus said of Satan when He responded to some who opposed him: “He is a liar and the father of lies” (John 8:44).

Aaron turned to Christ from Satanism and now “belongs to God” (v. 47). He ministers in an urban community, sharing the difference following Jesus makes. He’s a living testament of God’s saving power: “I can say with confidence that God saved my life.”

God is the source of all that is good, holy, and true. We can turn to Him to find truth.


So you have no faith the creator of the universe and everything has power over lies of this world?
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posted on Sep, 20 2020 @ 05:46 AM
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Let’s put it simply. How does your circular logic help me in my personal relationship with a God I know exits.

How would your dogmatic definition help convert a person that has faith there is no god.

Why would a person on the fence concerning god be helped by your lack of personal testimony with no indication of how to glorify god through service to god by helping the people god created.



posted on Sep, 20 2020 @ 12:17 PM
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MONO




Dear Neutron, please in just not more than 40 words, tell me what you want to achieve in my thread here, otherwise go away and start your own thread.


My OP is the following:

Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not."


At this point in time, I am focusing on what is existence, for I know for a certainty that unless man knows what is existence he is lost like a raft floating in the vast oceans.

.

    From Neutron a reply to: Pachomius

    (Concentrate on one thought and in not more than 40 words, okay?)

    Let’s put it simply. How does your circular logic help me in my personal relationship with a God I know exits.

    How would your dogmatic definition help convert a person that has faith there is no god.

    Why would a person on the fence concerning god be helped by your lack of personal testimony with no indication of how to glorify god through service to god by helping the people god created.



posted on Sep, 20 2020 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: Pachomius

Seems faith in god is a choice.

Those with the heart to have faith in God will believe.

Those with faith there is no god probably are not going to believe, and be changed by this thread.

In the context there are way better testimonies conceding God than this thread. And most people with a harden heart against God will not turn to God until they hit spiritual rock bottom. And will have nothing to do with anything you ever post.

Unless you can produce actual tangible evidence of god. Not circular logic that can be used To justify about anything. From genocide to there is no god.

Do you believe you will stand before the creator of the universe once your soul is recalled from the physical world?




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posted on Sep, 20 2020 @ 01:08 PM
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My hope is in God, what is your hope in?



posted on Sep, 20 2020 @ 01:49 PM
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Dear readers, do you notice that Neutron has not produced his 40 words one thought on what he wants to achieve in this my thread?

And he does not want to go away and start his own thread outside.

The way I see him, Neutron, he is a book worm, enslaved to the Bible and to dictionaries, but never employing his brain to do honest intelligent productive thinking.


Oh well, that is what I call an unavoidable evil in online forums.

Unless higher authority take action, of course.*
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Here are the hightlights of Neutron's latest posts:


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    My (Neutron) hope is in God, what is your hope in?



*I am happy that ATS is recepient to my presence and action in its online forum space, thanks, ATS.

Let that be for you my readers, your lesson for today, there is unavoidable evil in online forums - that's life, though.

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posted on Sep, 20 2020 @ 03:17 PM
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Expect you don’t know how many disaster home rebuild and wheel chair ramp build mission trips /jobs I have been on. Or food bank donations through the years. Or just trying to help out with manual labor around church.


I would think glorifying God would be the goal concerning anything God.



posted on Sep, 20 2020 @ 06:55 PM
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Again..

The basic definition of faith that builds a common language that allows for effective communication.




www.merriam-webster.com...

faith noun
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ˈfāth
plural faiths ˈfāths , sometimes ˈfāt͟hz
Definition of faith (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY
lost faith in the company's president
b(1) : fidelity to one's promises
(2) : sincerity of intentions
acted in good faith
2a(1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return
(2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction
especially : a system of religious beliefs
the Protestant faith
on faith
: without question
took everything he said on faith
faith verb
ˈfāth
faithed; faithing; faiths
Definition of faith (Entry 2 of 2)
transitive verb
archaic
: BELIEVE, TRUST



Please tell us what you would change concerning the definition?


Again...

Big book called the Holy Bible that explores faith and lack of faith In various flavors and shades. The book that has been around thousands of years. What aspect of faith in not explored in the Holy Bible that you would like to expand on?




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