Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

a reply to: Pachomius

So, dear everyone here contributing to my thread, if you have honest intelligent productive thinking, come and let us discuss together: as to come to first arrive at the communally agreed on concept of what it is to prove that something exists.

Here is my concept on what it is to prove that something exists, namely, it is bringing the someone to consciously experience the existence of the something, for example, to prove the existence of bottled water, you bring that someone to drink from a bottled water.

This seems like a good place to start.

The word water is not water. The word water does not quench thirst.
Water can be felt in the mouth and in the throat as you swallow it. If the water is chilled, you can sense the change of temperature even in your stomach.

a reply to: neutronflux

Everything.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: neutronflux

Everything.

Some people see an emptiness, a void of god in everything.

So, sin is evidence of god?

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Or more specifically, people that lead rich and luxurious lives by profiting from sin.

a reply to: neutronflux

God is above everything and creates everything so why wouldn't everything be proof of God?

a reply to: neutronflux

Well, what does that say about yourself?

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: neutronflux

God is above everything and creates everything so why wouldn't everything be proof of God?

How is god in sin?

It’s seems you pay lip service to god for the sake of this thread, but it seems you have no actual faith. Or understanding.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Or your more like the person that stands on the street corner “leading” young when to god by calling them whores for the way they dress.

Is god in the act of calling young women whores?

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

So. Other than “serving” the creator of everything by making evasive one liners from the comfort of your computer or mobile device. How do you serve your god in real life to glorify and honor the creator of everything?

a reply to: neutronflux

Don't be wise in your own eyes, works all the time.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: neutronflux

Don't be wise in your own eyes, works all the time.

You list is growing

What doe it say about me in the context of the actual argument?

Some people see an emptiness, a void of god in everything.

So, sin is evidence of god?

Or more specifically, people that lead rich and luxurious lives by profiting from sin.

So. Other than “serving” the creator of everything by making evasive one liners from the comfort of your computer or mobile device. How do you serve your god in real life to glorify and honor the creator of everything?

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: neutronflux

Everything.

How does god allowing people to suffer at the hands of a sinner like a murder prove the existence of god?

a reply to: neutronflux

You said it yourself. God allows it. God is The Most High.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: neutronflux

You said it yourself. God allows it. God is The Most High.

Or does it happen because their is no god.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

So either...

God is imperfect to create people that spread suffering, hate, and chaos. Have sinful natures. And is powerless to stop the chaos.

Or god did not create sinful natures, and therefore is not the creator of everything.

Which is it.

a reply to: neutronflux

Did I say that? No.

a reply to: neutronflux

You're presenting me the wrong choices. You're limited to your worldish, demonic understanding of perfection.