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Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

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posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:12 AM
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this issue seems still unresolved after so many posts.
who would have thunk ?



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:26 AM
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a reply to: pthena

We recently found out our own.

There's a Michael Jackson song that when we listen to in our language it sounds like it says "that child smells of bami", bami being a type of asian food.

Sometimes we now go on saying, my, that childs smells of bami.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:33 AM
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a reply to: whereislogic

Woe-woe-woe buddy, with all of that there woeing !

So it's everybody else's problem, eh ?

Gotcha.
!0-4.
Message received.
Okey-dokey.


Hey ! Have you ever pondered : if perhaps God was just dreaming all of us up ?



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: rom12345

Tell me about it.


It's hard to believe Pacho still isn't making sense to some.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 03:27 AM
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a reply to: Nothin

Perhaps because you are so used to using mockery yourself you begin to see mockery in someone else's commentary even when it's not there?

I don't know, it did look more like a desire to paint it on my commentary (read it into my commentary) for the purpose of making scoffing remarks about it and convince others of everything that is supposedly 'wrong' with it (proselytizing that view, technically speaking, although I wouldn't normally describe it like that because of the connotations I explained earlier; just bringing it up now because you brought up the term). And I'm using "wrong" there loosely, including anything negative like the supposed "mocking your mates here", or it supposedly being too verbose, even though you didn't spell out "too"; that was the button you were pushing there, for those already inclined to feel that they are too verbose, or "massive verbosity" as you put it; including the comment that starts with:

Anybody else find it funny how that first paragraph went from interpretation, to opinion, to "Fact of the matter" ?

Which seemed to have the same or similar motive and purpose behind it. Which btw, was a response to a fairly short comment of mine, cause as usual, someone here was completely off-topic concerning quantum mechanics and giving all sorts of false impressions about that subject to boot. So I kept it short initially.

As explained before, what you described there was an absurd misrepresentation of my sidepoint there.

Mockery/making fun of: "an absurd misrepresentation or imitation of something." (one definition from The Google Dictionary)

Let me know any time you are willing to be honest about it and acknowledge what you are doing on a regular basis as you paint it or read it into my commentary. Or in other words, whether or not you are willing to answer my question:

Proverbs 26:23-26

23 Like a silver glazing over a piece of earthenware

Are affectionate words from* [Lit., “fervent lips with.”] an evil heart.

24 The one who hates others disguises it with his lips,

But inside he harbors deceit.

25 Although he speaks graciously, do not trust him,

For there are seven detestable things in his heart.* [Or “For his heart is completely detestable.”]


Not that it isn't a nice concept to focus on that which we can agree on, but can you agree that by referring to all my commentary as "proselytizing broadcasts" you were scoffing at my commentary, having a ridiculing effect especially on those who have been conditioned to see proselytizing as a behaviour that is 'beneath them', so to speak, they look down on such behaviour and disapprove of it; often associating a person who in their eyes is proselytizing with someone who is brainwashed, conditioned and indoctrinated by "dogma and doctrine", not able to "look beyond dogma and doctrine" (as you put it), with nothing worthwhile to say, not worth listening to, and automatically downgrading anything they might have said or might say in the future? ...

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posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: rom12345
this issue seems still unresolved after so many posts.
who would have thunk ?



I don't seem to know you from Adam and Eve, dear stranger.


For your orientation, read the OP as follows below, NB My 12 steps to prove from evidence the existence of God in concept etc also below.



I have already resolved it long ago, completely with all human rational certainty, and my opponents here are so frustrated in defeat, so that still in order to earn unmerited 'handsome' points they continue to churn out derails and nonsense.

For I seem to understand there are awards from quantities of posts though all into pure drivels.


Tell you what, just read my posts from the beginning, don't waste time and labor with reading others' posts.

Modesty aside of course as per good breeding with gentlemen intellectuals.





Title of thread: Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

Author of thread: Pachomius

posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 01:12 PM

OP of thread:
On the assumption that mankind sincerely seeks knowledge, I submit that it is possible for any person to come to resolve the issue God exists or not, with honest intelligent productive thinking, i.e., thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas. Now, honest intelligent productive thinking on the said issue must start with working together to concur on the concept of God. What do you dear colleagues here say?





Pachomius posted on Aug, 9 2020 @ 07:13 AM
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Dear everyone, here is my exposition proving from evidence the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

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1. You and I and he she it, we all exist, do you accept that?

2. You and I and he she it, we came from our parents, do you accept that?

3. Our parents came from their parents, do you accept that?

4. We all humans make up the human race, can you accept that?

5. The human race had a beginning in the universe, can you accept that?

6. Scientists tell us the universe had a beginning some 13.8 billion years ago, can you accept that?

7. There has been the domain of existence prior to the beginning of the universe, can you accept that?

8. In that domain of existence prior to the beginning of the universe, there has got to be an entity, which created or caused the coming to the beginning of the existence of the universe, can you accept that?

9. Evidence is anything existing which leads man to ascertain the existence of another thing, can you accept?

10. Wherefore, man and the universe and everything with a beginning are the evidence to the existence of an entity, which created or caused them to come to existence, can you accept that?

11. And therefore we can call that entity in concept and in name, as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, can you accept that?

12. If you cannot or will not accept that God exists, are you not then either irrational or dishonestly stubborn against the existence of God?

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Dear everyone, please point out what Number 1 to 12 you have difficulties with, okay?

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posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: whereislogic

Not interested in playing tit-for-tat.
The BS of calling beliefs and opinions as 'facts', was called-out.
Not interested in continuing this exchange.
Have a good day.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: Pachomius
I like this. The existence of the Universe infers the existence of God.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: rom12345
a reply to: Pachomius
I like this. The existence of the Universe infers the existence of God.



If you have no imagination then sure.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 07:38 PM
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MONO





Dear rom12345:


You know, I could be woefully mistaken, but do you notice there is a lot of scientific interest into galaxies, what with relativity this and relativity that, and also a lot of scientific interest into subatomic particles with quantum mechanics, which is not aligned with auto mechanic.

I just wonder whether I have to probe distant massive galaxies and also extremely small bits of matter called subatomic particles, to seek evidence for the existence of God, God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

Because for myself and folks who just employ their brain to do honest intelligent productive thinking, babies and roses in the neighborhood, and even the nose on our face, and also the brain itself which is behind our nose inside our skull, that for me is evidence galore already for my human rational certainty that God exists, God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

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originally posted by: rom12345
a reply to: Pachomius
I like this. The existence of the Universe infers the existence of God.




posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: Pachomius

You


God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.


A concept is not evidence.

Many people have the concept there is no god. Tell me to look where to see your god physically. Or is your god just a concept existing only in thought.



Because for myself and folks who just employ their brain to do honest intelligent productive thinking, babies and roses in the neighborhood,


There is nothing honest. You only honor yourself. Babies and roses are evidence the babies and roses exist.



that for me is evidence galore already for my human rational certainty that God exists
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You have to rationalize your god exists, when the evidence should be self evident?

People rationalize there is no god. People rationalize the human race was bioengineered by aliens.

You have as much evidence as anyone else that cannot point to facts, but have to rationalize their beliefs.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 11:08 PM
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You know, friend, I will tell you something as a friend. I think there's a God.

And then your friend goes on trying to disprove all you experienced.

That's not a friend. That's more something like an antichrist.

They can 't have you believing in God, not even in His existence. What are they up to?

And from then on they will stalk you forever and ever.
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posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 11:46 PM
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I can 't choose a side and I'm stuck in the middle and you're the one that's going to help me, I know, simply because you can 't.
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posted on Aug, 31 2020 @ 01:26 AM
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a reply to: Out6of9Balance

For whatever help it may be:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 31 2020 @ 02:30 AM
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And again we have nothing against eachother. We go on convinced of what we believe merged in Christ, and God will be our Master.



posted on Aug, 31 2020 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: Out6of9Balance



And then your friend goes on trying to disprove all you experienced.


Who’s the one trying to disprove who’s personal experiences?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Pachomius

You


I see that you all wrongly conflate God with religion, you can have religion without God.

And you can have God without religion.


Really?

I don’t think this post was about religion?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Pachomius

The alternative is natural selection with the terms evil and good having absolutely no meaning.

Example: no god. Hitler was just practicing his dominance in a process of natural selection where the term evil has no meaning.

So the starting question is really, “do you believe an act can be good or evil, and why?”

First reply?



originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Pachomius

perhaps you may want to start the convo?

I'll give ya a shove... No one can prove the existence of God to another...



Nothing about religion?

2nd reply?


originally posted by: seedofchucky
a reply to: Akragon

Well there is that 1 way . That cheat of theology . Messengers with miracles. Easily proves existence of god . Everyone watches dead man rise , or blind see , or handicap walk .. Its game over. Sign me up !~ But do we get that today ? noo.....we gotta play the pick the right cup game lol


Nothing about religion?

Fourth reply?



originally posted by: Teikiatsu
I think you'll need to define what you think God encompasses.

From my upbringing and personal philosophy, God existed before the universe began. He exists outside reality as we know it, can walk into and out of the universe the way an architect can walk in and out of a building he designed, has fundamental understanding and manipulation of the entirety of the universe because He designed it from the start, and thinks in ways beyond human comprehension.

So good luck with that.


What religion is this?


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posted on Aug, 31 2020 @ 03:56 AM
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originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
And again we have nothing against eachother. We go on convinced of what we believe merged in Christ, and God will be our Master.






Matthew 7:21-23

www.biblegateway.com...

21 “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants. 22 On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’ 23 Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.”




posted on Aug, 31 2020 @ 04:30 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Yea, God is good.



posted on Aug, 31 2020 @ 05:13 AM
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Is there a Necessary External to the wonder of the Universe & All That Is? Isn't it more awe-inspiring that It exists, in & of itself?

And, if we are a product of the above, do we seek order in chaos because we are naturally part if It & can not avoid doing so?

I don't know The Answer, but. . .who made the Maker (ad infinitum) if it was all designed?
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posted on Aug, 31 2020 @ 05:39 AM
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The sad truth is there are some who always want more. This life isn't enough for them. This universe isn't enough for them. They have to have an immortal soul and a glorious afterlife.



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