Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

originally posted by: carsforkids

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
We are dying

Yep just as God said we would.

Adam lived to be 930 yo and then he DIED.
Cain lived to 730 yo and then he what? HE DIED.
Seth lived to be 912 yo and then he DIED.
etc and so on.

God warned us of the fail safe he installed in his creation.
Death is the wages of sin. The fail safe is necessary for all
the obvious reasons.

We should thank him. He has provided a way.
It's up to us to have the brains to see that.

Yep just as God said we would.

LOL well, thsts it! That's the evidence God exists!

Adam lived to be 930 yo and then he DIED.
Cain lived to 730 yo and then he what? HE DIED.
Seth lived to be 912 yo and then he DIED.
etc and so on.

And how do you know they lived that ling when there is absolutly no evidence that even existed?

God warned us of the fail safe he installed in his creation.
Death is the wages of sin. The fail safe is necessary for all
the obvious reasons.

Death is natural. Everything dies. Humans, other animals, planets and stars.

We should thank him. He has provided a way.
It's up to us to have the brains to see that.

Thank him? Ok!

a reply to: Jay-morris

OMG it's you again!

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Jay-morris

OMG it's you again!

Yes it is!

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: neutronflux

I don't understand why his definition is so important to him.
It seems that other posters in this, his thread, don't understand either.

Maybe we should ask him.

I don’t get it either. And those that believe in some flavor of god outside the definition are call “religious” by Pachomius as an insult.

Concerning a god Pachomius has crafted that requires no worshipping, and lives outside of good and evil. Making Pachomius‘s god a moot point in there is no difference in believing or not believing.

Yet Pachomius claims the crafted god is a doer. But no testament to what the god has done.

With Pachomius stating we exist so god must exist. So by extending Pachomius‘s logic, god only exists because we exist? Seems god’s existence wouldn’t depend on humankind existing. But the only proof Pachomius has that god exists is because Pachomius crafted the image of god?

Very hypocritical and strange.

a reply to: Pachomius

originally posted by: Pachomius


No need to go to quantum mechanics and also relativity theories, just start with the nose on our face and the brain behind, there that is evidence galore, proof to the existence of God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

Without going to a mirror.....look right now for a nose on a face......can a nose on a face or a brain be seen?

Look directly at where the nose and face are assumed to be.....what is there really?

Watch "Headless Way | Shift From Person To Presence - By Nithya Shanti" on YouTube
youtu.be...

a reply to: pthena

When I listen to the video and agree with what is said I wonder, do other individuals hear the same words I do ?

Few will listen.

So glad that you touched it and felt it.
💞

a reply to: neutronflux

It's interesting to see how your brain works. You must be believing you're a real problem solver.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: neutronflux

It's interesting to see how your brain works. You must be believing you're a real problem solver.

And can you get anymore creepier..........

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

I was young,
before vaccines were made for measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox.
I caught them all.
They laid me low.

There was a thing that I did in the midst of fever, delusion, and lose of self.

I would put my hands together.
And be myself.
Alone in the chaos and confusion.

Feeling myself I knew myself to be real
no matter that I didn't know anything else.

And my hands seemed to be bigger somehow.
More important.
The only thing anchoring me.

originally posted by: pthena
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Itisnowagain posted the Thích Nhất Hạnh youtube video which resolves the issue God exists or not with honest intelligent productive thinking.

When I listen to the video and agree with what is said I wonder, do other individuals hear the same words I do ?

Do we hear the same words but interpret them differently, even with contradictory meanings ?

That's two questions, but then you asked two questions also. ...
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Hi Scarface.
Get it ? Scarf-face ?
Sorry : just teasing.

Will watch that vid later. Love all of Itisnowagain's offerings.

Am not sure that we all hear words the same, nor have identical meanings for them, and thus even less matching comprehension of the supposed underlying concepts, that are purportedly communicated.

Am not convinced about much of anything.
Other than : you know, like respecting most traffic laws, and simple stuff like that.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I didn't have the words to explain before.
But I stated before that I am shaman-esque.
A liminal person.

So in another thread I wrote this:

Liminality need not venture to extremes.
Isn't close to the door, if not in the doorway itself, a balance?

One extreme: Disconnected Individualism
Another extreme: Monism and Solipsism

Both extremes lead to lose of sympathy, empathy, and personal responsibility for others and the World at large.
The Butt Song from Bosch's

I heard nothing in Thich Nhat Hanh's lesson that contradicts this.

a reply to: Nothin

Am not convinced about much of anything.
Other than : you know, like respecting most traffic laws, and simple stuff like that.

Well that's rather shallow.

I've listened to this song five times yesterday and twice today.
I'm glad that someone can bear some of the burden of listening.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Thank you.


Come to think of it:
I like the faces she makes.
Okay, I'm going to keep the enjoyment for myself.

Ha ha ha
'cuz I'm selfish.

a reply to: pthena

When I was a child, I had a fever
My hands felt just like two balloons
Now I've got that feeling once again
I can't explain, you would not understand
This is not how I am

———————

Comfortably Numb
Pink Floyd
genius.com...

a reply to: pthena

Maybe there are less sharks in these shallow waters ?
Or are we sometimes sticking our toes, off into the 'deep-end' ?

a reply to: neutronflux

When I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse
Out of the corner of my eye
I turned to look, but it was gone
I cannot put my finger on it now
The child is grown, the dream is gone

My bed was a short space from the wall.
I lowered my head between wall and bed
to look underneath at the wall across the room.

The extra blood pressure made my
head feel ready to explode.
Eyes watering with pain
I saw mice in a row scurrying before the wall
on hind feet, dressed in clothes,
and carrying tools.

a reply to: Nothin

"Religion is the smile on a dog."
"Religion is a light in the fog."

Even in shallow water you can see that the ocean floor slopes down.
A darker shade of blue.

The depths alone can crush a person,
sharks or no sharks.

For a liminal experience:

At my wedding on a Spring Equinox day long ago
Karen, the girl born blind, who I used to read to played guitar,
and Steve played the recorder.

They didn't have much rehearsal time so it wasn't optimal
but good enough.

ETA

Steve was the guy who gave me that copy of Zen and the Birds of Appetite one Christmas. I brought that book with me through move after move, and loss of library after loss of library for twenty years, until I finally read it.

MONO



a reply to: toktaylor


Have I replied to you already, dear Tok, to your words as follows below:

"I am presenting the fact that that matter and energy have always existed, because they are something, and we know something must always exist, because there was never a time there was nothing. And as I’ve pointed out above, matter seems to have a lot more going for it than the God hypothesis."


I am so happy for you, because you have gotten the big picture correctly, just add however that 'matter and energy' is the product from God, God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and evrerything with a beginning.

Here is my argument in quick words, grounded on evidence, so it is proof from evidence for God existing, see if you can comprehend it, but you have got to maintain a good clean brain unclouded by contaminations from unprofitable derailers here.

Quick argument for God existing by way of proof on evidence (attn unprofitable posters here, stay away!):

Matter and energy exist (evidence), therefore God exists (conclusion), God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.


Now, here come the unprofitable useless posters here of derailers, with their vacuous chant, circular logic, circular logic, circular logic, but their brain is already dizzy from insider virus going around and around with their useless words, when they should just go outside into their human neighborhood, or just on their face environment, and witness the presence of babies and roses in their fellow human environment, and also their nose in their facial environment, these things are evidence to the existence of a creator cause.



Dear Tok, let you and me continue to discuss together, okay?
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MONO




I must now do a reset on this my thread, so that dear readers and honest posters, you will not get distracted by the unprofitable derailers here, they write voluminously but for no purpose except to dislocate you from the topic of this my thread here.

Title of thread: Wanted: Honest intelligent productive thinking to resolve the issue God exists or not.

Author of thread: Pachomius

posted on Jun, 25 2020 @ 01:12 PM


OP of thread:
On the assumption that mankind sincerely seeks knowledge, I submit that it is possible for any person to come to resolve the issue God exists or not, with honest intelligent productive thinking, i.e., thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas. Now, honest intelligent productive thinking on the said issue must start with working together to concur on the concept of God. What do you dear colleagues here say?

There, dear readers and honest posters here, beware the bandwidth despoilers i.e. gatecrashers here, they intend to alienate you from facts, truths, logic, and the best ideas of mankind from since man attained conscious homo sapiens status.

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MONO




Do you dear readers and honest posters here, do you want to know what is an example of circular logic with the unprofitable posters here, it is one example by which they are so smart to show simple folks that there is no need for evidence to God existing, God in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.


I ask these unprofitable posters, "Are you guys existing not evidence to the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning"?


Here is their answer:

"We (they detailers) existing are the evidence to ourselves (they detailers) existing, no need for any God for us to be evidence to."


There, do you notice that they are the ones into circular logic, namely, they are themselves evidence to themselves existing: it's like they are telling themselves that they are smart (or stupid) and the evidence is themselves.

If these guys are in a court of law, and they tell the judge that they are truthful witnesses, because (addressing the judge) they say so!?

The judge is sure to slap them with contempt of court and direct the security detail of the court - to march them down to the detention cell in the basement of the court building.


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