Biden up by 14% in new Poll....and so was Hillary

what gets me is the leftist media is using the very same lies and deceit this time as they did last time, with absolutely no remorse or mind to do a single solitary thing honestly. They can't do it honestly, and are so used to lying and cheating and denying things, that they would lie about something even when they didn't need to.

My vote has to go to trump simply because the MSM and the democrats are the most immoral and ethically bankrupt people I have ever seen in my life. The levels of wickedness of the left are like what a dark coven of multi millions of witches and warlocks would be like.

It was bad enough when Hillary was running, but now the level of evil surpasses anything I could have ever imagined.

Every single tragedy of 2020 has been capitalized on and used politically first without any regard for the lives of people. Every single one of them has a proverbial gas can always full, pouring out and ignited to burn everything in their path whether or not they even even need things to burn to get the job done. That job is to get rid of Trump no matter who dies or loses their bank accounts and businesses. The more people devastated by their actions whether friend or foe is all the better in their view.

If they win, they will make sure everyone else loses big time. Just like they have been doing since Trump won once already, only they will have a lot more power if Biden wins to make people really suffer a thousand fold than currently.

I wouldn't vote for Biden even if I was paid 10 billion dollars to do so. It would be like voting in favor of your soul to be sent directly south and down.

What a great day!

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
I have a bone to pick with conservatives that gaslight the polls.

Whenever a poll is posted, what the poll is actually polling should go along with it.

The national polls that had Hillary ahead, were actually correct. They were essentially polling the popular vote.... thinking it would play out electorally.

Let me stop you right here..

unless the constitution has been changed the president is elected by ELECTORAL SYSTEM.. not popular vote.

the "claim" that she won the popular vote is IRRELIVANT aka not constitutional.

but in the motto of ats "deny ignorance" lets look at your claim factually.

the 3 million (thats the claim isnt it) she won by comes from CA.

that claim HAS NEVER BEEN VERIFIED ..

in fact if you care to deal in FACTS the supporters of hillory filed lawsuits in PA and WI (where trump won) that she got more votes than claimed.

in investigations they found that due to voter irregularities (fraud, mistakes, ect) that trump ACTUALLY GOT MORE VOTES than reported... how many was never determined since the lawsuit/investigation was about votes FOR hillory not being counted...

well when trump put in same REQUEST for investigation of votes in CA the DEMOCRATS fought that tooth and nail... to the point where trump decided not to pursue it any further.

so in essence the claim that hillory won by popular vote IS UNSUBSTANTIATED/ NOT PROVEN..

so if your gonna try to use this to defend your point on polls, then the rest of your argument looses credibility

scrounger

You must not have read what I wrote. I know very well that the electoral college choses the president and not the popular vote...

What I was saying is that polls were based on more of a popular vote measure, which is why they didn't predict the correct outcome. They were correct on the popular vote though, by the exact same percentage too. So its not that the polls were wrong, its that they weren't measuring the right thing.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
I have a bone to pick with conservatives that gaslight the polls.

Whenever a poll is posted, what the poll is actually polling should go along with it.

The national polls that had Hillary ahead, were actually correct. They were essentially polling the popular vote.... thinking it would play out electorally.

Let me stop you right here..

unless the constitution has been changed the president is elected by ELECTORAL SYSTEM.. not popular vote.

the "claim" that she won the popular vote is IRRELIVANT aka not constitutional.

but in the motto of ats "deny ignorance" lets look at your claim factually.

the 3 million (thats the claim isnt it) she won by comes from CA.

that claim HAS NEVER BEEN VERIFIED ..

in fact if you care to deal in FACTS the supporters of hillory filed lawsuits in PA and WI (where trump won) that she got more votes than claimed.

in investigations they found that due to voter irregularities (fraud, mistakes, ect) that trump ACTUALLY GOT MORE VOTES than reported... how many was never determined since the lawsuit/investigation was about votes FOR hillory not being counted...

well when trump put in same REQUEST for investigation of votes in CA the DEMOCRATS fought that tooth and nail... to the point where trump decided not to pursue it any further.

so in essence the claim that hillory won by popular vote IS UNSUBSTANTIATED/ NOT PROVEN..

so if your gonna try to use this to defend your point on polls, then the rest of your argument looses credibility

scrounger

You must not have read what I wrote.

Yes, yes I did.. all of it to be percise. but when YOU lead off with "won the popular vote" overused comment I commented on that.. since you lead off with a CLEARLY INACCURATE and been PROVEN WRONG.. I adressed that and the rest of your arguments/crediblity went right out the window.

I know very well that the electoral college choses the president and not the popular vote...

then why bring it up? If it is CLEARLY unconstitutional/ irrelivant?

What I was saying is that polls were based on more of a popular vote measure,

again let me stop you right here on an INCORRECT comment. Polls are based on a SMALL SAMPLE of people WHO ACTUALLY CHOOSE TO TAKE PART (supposedly random) using specifically choosen questions. that is what its "based on" and used as an ASSUMPTION to justify whatever view/cause/voting/ect claim you are making

which is why they didn't predict the correct outcome.

predictions are sketchy at best of times.. especially in predicting ACTUAL voting outcomes.. yes sometimes they are accurate, but by no means ever taken at total face value.

They were correct on the popular vote though, by the exact same percentage too. So its not that the polls were wrong, its that they weren't measuring the right thing.

sigh.. again you have ZERO way to claim they "measuing the right thing" . again WE USE A ELECTORAL COLLEGE method under the CONSTITUTION to elect presidents. we NEVER use "popular vote" and thus to keep claiming "hillory won popular vote" is to continue to promote IGNORANCE.. along with that since we dont use a "popular vote" the claims (again YOU USE) that "HILLORY WON BY 3 MILLION VOTES"

Not only for the reasons we DONT HAVE THE REQUIRED PROTECTIONS/PROCEDURES that a "popular vote" way would require.

but as I previously pointed out that when hillory supporters challenged the win of trump in WI and PA hillory LOST VOTES and trump GAINED VOTES.. but how many was not determined due to he WON and the lawsuit/investigation was only on basis hillory was missing votes.
then when those "three million votes win for hillory " that happened in CA was challenged, the democrats FOUGHT IT TOOTH AND NAIL.. trump decided he had other issues to deal with and didnt pursue it like democrats did in WI and PA.

so the claim YOU USED that hillory won by three million to JUSTIFY THEN AND NOW current polls is not fact.

so your overall claim can best be described as built on false data/premise ..

scrounger

a reply to: scrounger

Okay.. first off, it is not an "incorrect comment" that Hillary won the popular vote. Its a fact.

It can be true that she wins the popular vote, and loses the election. Thats what happened.

You cant say its irrelevant, because although it doesnt determine the outcome of the election, its still a valid data point, and discussion topic if nothing other than philosophical that "more people wanted her to be president than Trump"...

Its also valid because we are taking into question how polling data is aggregated and projected.

When theyre calculating the p values of their polling model, it is my belief that they were not taking the polling results, and weighting them by state location for electoral college purposes, instead they weighted all votes equally. Therefore when creating a predictive statistical model for the election this way... your "poll" model results you display on TV and in papers and journals is actually a model and prediction of the popular vote... NOT the final electoral count.. which is where the polls went wrong.

By the way, they take bias into consideration for the polls, they eliminate first/willing responder bias by contacting people multiple times, and via different methods.. mail, email, call, text, in person.. that way they dont incur a sampling bias.

Thats what I was trying to explain to you.

The polls didnt predict the outcome of the election properly because the method in weighting the responses did not reflect the electoral college weight, it just reflected the national average (popular vote) which is.whynwe saw the popular vote match the polls.

This time around they.learned their lesson.

Biden is in the last stage before the "blabbering idiot stage".. As far as I am concerned, anyone who would vote for him or another socialist democrat is in the final stages of alzheimers and can not remember what has been going on since 2016 with all the lies and coup attempts.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
a reply to: scrounger

Okay.. first off, it is not an "incorrect comment" that Hillary won the popular vote. Its a fact.


for the umpteenth time NO SHE DIDNT . because as PROVEN BY TWO COURT CASES in PA and WI trump GAINED VOTES. how many was never determined since the case was about HILLORY HAVING MORE VOTES. that criteria was PROVEN FALSE so the count was stopped. The claim about hillory winning popular vote is based mostly on THREE MILLION FROM CA. since they FOUGHT AND WON not having a LEGAL INVESTIGATION LIKE THEY DID IN PA/WI the number is NOT PROVEN ACCURATE. since it isnt PROVEN ACCURATE and WE DONT HAVE A POPULAR VOTE SYSTEM your claim she won is A GUESS AT BEST.. NOT "its a fact"

It can be true that she wins the popular vote, and loses the election. Thats what happened.

You cant say its irrelevant, because although it doesnt determine the outcome of the election, its still a valid data point, and discussion topic if nothing other than philosophical that "more people wanted her to be president than Trump"...

SEE PREVIOUS COMMENT...

Its also valid because we are taking into question how polling data is aggregated and projected.

first as I stated before multiple times. the accuracy of the poll is dependent on questions asked, how they were asked, how many people were asked and WHERE they were asked. Any and all can determine an outcome and even give you an outcome you want. Add to it IF they were (given there were multiple ones and YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED SPECIFICS ON EACH ONE) asking to determine popular vote.. they would be INVALID given we AGAIN DONT USE popular vote in presidental elections.. if you are using them to justify a popular vote win your MISUSING THEM...

When theyre calculating the p values of their polling model, it is my belief that they were not taking the polling results, and weighting them by state location for electoral college purposes, instead they weighted all votes equally. Therefore when creating a predictive statistical model for the election this way... your "poll" model results you display on TV and in papers and journals is actually a model and prediction of the popular vote... NOT the final electoral count.. which is where the polls went wrong.

By the way, they take bias into consideration for the polls, they eliminate first/willing responder bias by contacting people multiple times, and via different methods.. mail, email, call, text, in person.. that way they dont incur a sampling bias.

one you cannot claim that unless you know how each poll was done (you dont). along with all WERE WRONG in both percentages under ELECTORAL COLLEGE and who would win

Thats what I was trying to explain to you.

no you were trying to JUSTIFY them being wrong under the ELECTORAL COLLEGE (only constitutional way to elect a president) by deflecting to POPULAR VOTE (which was NOT PROVEN BY FACT).

The polls didnt predict the outcome of the election properly because the method in weighting the responses did not reflect the electoral college weight, it just reflected the national average (popular vote) which is.whynwe saw the popular vote match the polls.

again we DONT USE POPULAR VOTE.. even trying to claim it proved popular vote FAILS IN FACE OF FACT that the "3 million was NEVER VERIFIED .. again the DEMOCRATS FOUGHT ANY ATTEMPT TO DO SO.. you cant claim it is fact when you dont allow it to be checked like they did in PA and WI

This time around they.learned their lesson.

the last line is so laughable its sad.

if your gonna continue to base it on "popular vote" then you will be in error

trump won fair , square and CONSTITUTIONALLY .

The "popular vote" is unverified, democrats fought any attempt to do so and constitutionally IRRELIVANT.

Scrounger